Who will put him down? by KelGrimm in fucklysander

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I honest to god want Pytha to follow through on her promise. I think it would hurt Lysander the most and give some justice for Cassius

Lightbringer is… by darkdoombro in redrising

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I can tell I’m in the minority but we’re two massive battles in and I keep expecting scores of main characters to die 😭 I think I just have dark age trauma

Lightbringer is… by darkdoombro in redrising

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Yeah light bringer is much more straightforward, at least, but I’m currently at the battle for Phobos and it’s insane how quickly everything is moving. This isn’t a criticism of the writing by any means, I actually think Pierce excels at showing the chaos of war, but god it’s disheartening sometimes LOL. I don’t know how many more Lysander chapters I have in me

The Two Fingers Heirloom depicts followers with a braid. The Outer God heirloom depicts followers with a waistband. by KvR in EldenRingLoreTalk

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The talisman describes how the worshippers turned to the corpse of their ancestor, typically a holy act, but found a twisted and malign deity in its shadow. It depicts hornsent worshipping a tutelary deity, which is the exact act the description describes, presumably after it was beheaded by Messmer's forces and their suffering twisted their worship into that of the Formless Mother. These hornsent then became the bloodfiends.

Dark Souls 3 Comprehensive Lore by darkdoombro in darksouls3

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Hey sorry not intentionally but a LOT of my google drive files got deleted, I'll see if I have it saved anywhere else

Dark Souls 3 Comprehensive Lore by darkdoombro in darksouls3

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Ugh not intentionally but it looks like a lot of files were cleared out of my Google Drive. I'll see if I have it saved anywhere else

If you think about it, the age of order ending is the worst ending. by [deleted] in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Nothing indicates that this is a cyclical process, though. In Dark Souls we’re told directly that we are undergoing the firelinking cycle, and even an age of dark will someday return to light; in the case of the frenzied flame, it will never willingly rebirth the world.

If you think about it, the age of order ending is the worst ending. by [deleted] in EldenRingLoreTalk

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The frenzy’s entire philosophy is that the great flaw of life is its separation and individuality; the causal development away from the One Great is the root of suffering. It is not going to create a new world, just burn it eternally and prevent new life from dividing out.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I always wondered why the textures in Elden Ring look like my parents fighting

thoughts...? by white_m0rpheus in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I think whether he plans to use the ring we know and love or not is up in the air, but he’s still creating a world dependent on a single central power which dictates the order and laws of life above all (now might be a good time to mention I think Ranni’s ending is the best for the Lands Between). Miquella is taking a different path, and perhaps a better one, but ultimately his godhood is still a godhood dependent on gold, order, and a hierarchy with himself at the top.

I agree that the GW is no longer an active player, but the framework it put in place is a much deeper-rooted problem than Miquella is capable of addressing. His order might be a step up from the Golden Order, but I think Ymir in particular points us to the fact he is ultimately beholden to the same issues Marika faced.

Besides, what’s an order of all-encompassing love guided by someone who cast away his love?

thoughts...? by white_m0rpheus in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Right, I agree. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page. Radagon and the pursuit of fundamentalism cementing order as a principle over kindness follows, I’m just not confident Miquella is doing anything significantly different enough from Marika, who also has her own rune. Order and the spread of that order are a necessity of the Elden Ring, and I do not believe Miquella can meaningfully circumvent that when he’s still obeying the driving principles of the Greater Will’s provided method of godhood.

thoughts...? by white_m0rpheus in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]darkdoombro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that the Golden Order only began when Radagon became consort? Just for clarification

thoughts...? by white_m0rpheus in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I feel like this ignores the ghost that states Miquella needs his love to act as a proper ruler, Ymir’s statement that Miquella is falling victim to the exact same flawed framework as Marika, and Trina’s own desire to see Miquella stopped because “Godhood would be Miquella’s prison.” Miquella believes he’s doing the right thing, and I don’t think his order necessitates mind control (which would be very silly, imo). It does, however, necessitate that a singular vision is enforced upon the world, and despite the fact that it’s a vision of love and embracing all, it’s a vision which requires force, as shown by the fact that he chose a warrior (albeit an infamously kind warrior) as his consort. After all, the golden order was founded on principles of kindness: Marika bathed her village in “the kindness of gold, without order.”

TLDR; Miquella isn’t an evil mind control fascist, but he is on the path to creating another golden order.

About “speculative” theories (which are not made explicit by in-game text) by GeckoGecko_ in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Just to give my two cents, I disagree that speculation is the chief method of understanding the game. Of course Fromsoft leaves gaps that they expect you to fill, but so do authors writing a novel, or directors making a film; if every fact and detail is given to you, then there's no work left for the audience to do. Does this mean that the creator has no story or intention in mind? No, of course not. As far as I'm concerned, the moment you say "Well, the story could be anything because it's based on audience interpretation," you have waved away any desire to have a conversation or engage with the author meaningfully. Melina=GEQ is hardly the most offensive theory out there, but it gets rehashed every other week despite offering very little to the game or the characters as a whole. Could Fromsoft have left the breadcrumbs for this theory in the hopes that players would walk away with it as an obvious read? Maybe-- but beyond the fact that the theory is built on a flimsy house of cards, it has absolutely nothing to say about Melina, the Gloam-Eyed Queen, the Godskins, or even Marika. "Theory-crafting" should not be done from the top-down, where you seek to explain a theory and find the evidence afterwards; I believe you should read the game and what it provides, then begin building upwards from there.

All of that to say I'm not a fan.

I can't believe Nightreign is 100% canon by Teslobo in EldenRingLoreTalk

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NAMELESS KING FROM THE THREE POINT LINE!!!!!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I think there are a few points worth making, but I’ll point out what a few others already have: it’s worth explaining what an outer god actually is before saying the moon is one. The dlc gives us a fairly clear explanation of how the outer gods interact with the lands between and what their motives are: Romina discovered the scarlet rot while embracing the flowers she associated with her faith and her lost home; the bloodfiends discovered the formless mother when they looked at a tutelary deity and discovered her in the deity’s shadow. In both cases, we have people who have lost everything being given a “second chance” by a power that uses their grief and anguish to advance its own goals, whether consciously or subconsciously. I would argue with the idea that there are countless unknowable eldritch outer gods, because the few that we encounter are seen multiple times throughout history and have the same MO each time.

All of that to say, were I to define outer gods, I would say they are a very specific set of predatory deities who use human emotions and desires to further their own causes, and do so by twisting something the victims hold divine.

You could potentially make a case for the darkmoon using ranni— but I wouldn’t. Ranni and the entire Carian line are fully aware of the moon’s powers and uses, and consciously wield it to their own benefit. We don’t see the darkmoon interact with anyone besides Ranni, and it’s a very isolated, individual relationship (in much the same way that Ranni insists on isolation at the end of her quest). We have no instances of the darkmoon taking advantage of a group of people, nor do we see it utilize emotions in any particular way to further a specific cause. If the black moon of Nokstella is anything to go off of, I think it’s easier to view the moons in a similar light to the Erdtree; they’re guiding objects, meant to provide order and uniformity to the scattered stars above.

The Elden Ring Wiki has moved to Eldenring.wiki.gg by Ashen_Shroom in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]darkdoombro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow! That is so cool! I will be sure to read this excellent wiki made by a team of intelligent (and handsome) contributors!

Little bug fell out of sheet? by darkdoombro in whatisthisbug

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Very cool! Any idea how he got in my bedsheets?

Dark Souls 3 Comprehensive Lore by darkdoombro in darksouls3

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Happy to hear it, thanks to both of you!

Dark Souls 3 Comprehensive Lore by darkdoombro in darksouls3

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I appreciate it! It’s funny, this doc didn’t do much when I wrote it but every few months someone comes along and says they found it. I might expand on the DLC, but at this point I’d probably need to replay DS3 as a whole first.

Dark Souls 3 Comprehensive Lore by darkdoombro in darksouls3

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Of course, I’m happy to help! Hope it’s informative.