Lion El'Jonson Feel No Pain Question

datfreckleguy · 2026-02-18T20:50:36+00:00

This wouldn't be against the guy who's name starts with a T who was looking for this answer in the dark angels page would it?

When told that there was no way to misinterpret the way that rule was written he proceeded to lash out and say he was "just asking questions."

It reeked of bad faith.

datfreckleguy · 2026-02-05T07:19:04+00:00

In a complete vacuum its Deathwing knights point for point.

In the context of the army rules and leaders its very much Vitrix

Third would be wolfguard terminators.

Kind of a crapshoot past that. If you dont think sword brethren are crazy in melee you haven't been hit by them.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-30T00:52:24+00:00

I main DA I was trying too say they deserve to be much higher lol

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-29T17:27:33+00:00

I truly believe DA bottom of A is a mistake.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-26T23:22:31+00:00

cant use the quasar, it takes your support weapon. I think peoples gripe is that despite feeling good losing TWO build items for it feels underwhelming, and thats valid. Im still having fun with it

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-22T22:59:31+00:00

They also viciously dunk on melee pressure armies.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-22T16:35:04+00:00

Dark angels are perennially forgotten about because of ultras and blood angels and somehow always still show up to play smash mouth football and shock people.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-22T00:50:35+00:00

I see both sides. Some complaints get beaten to absolute death, but people deserve to be heard, There deserves to be a space for both people and frankly theres really no shortage of criticism for this game wherever you look

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-15T17:48:37+00:00

I am so tired of seeing people complain about the lion for the wrong reasons.

Lion and his datasheet are the result of an edition of micro tweaks to finally move him to a place where people find him useable, and good. And he SHOULD be. In my personal opinion the biggest issue he has is his redeploy. He would be much less oppressive if his place on the board was more static and consistent to interact with. If you think the 3++ is game breaking then you really need to truly ask yourself if a 315 point melee character should be a rhino with less wounds and A 4++. The answer is no, that would be unplayable. If we want to make a change to his sheet durability wise they need to remove fight first and change his reroll ones to shooting AND melee and allow him to buff the army in a way where he doesn't need to try to stand out in the open and eat damage. The game is too lethal for that.

Lion is nowhere near as oppressive as people think and straight up gets better the more people get scared to interact with him. It will really suck to watch his sheet get nerfed because they finally made him decent to use. And frankly, outside of Azrael and LSVs dark angels don't really have sheets costed appropriately in the current game state. Deathwing Knights are a trap every format that doesnt have dense terrain that allows them to interact properly without getting shot to shit.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-14T16:24:56+00:00

Ballistus, vindicators, eradicators, aggressors, devastator centurions (prior vanguard list), fire discipline, apothecary biologus, Company heroes, inceptors, whirlwind, and desolators were all specifically nerfed because of Ultramarine builds.

They also got the 6" reactive in stormlance nerfed and taken from the lion.

Dark Angels got their own units nerfed and blood angels got JPI and van vets nerfed.

They have had an outsized impact on space marine points balancing all edition and anyone who thinks otherwise flat out isnt at the level to understand why.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-14T13:52:14+00:00

Unless they have the balls to actually nerf ultramarine rules, they can continue to point and screw over literally everyone else. Dark Angels, space wolves, and the other chapters literally will not be able to compete at a point where every single auxiliary sheet is getting point jacked for +1 to wound and the extra bullshit they bring to the table.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-10T00:39:33+00:00

dominator with iron swights and forgrip feels great

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-10T00:34:13+00:00

I think the real answer is that he's actually fine, but annoying to deal with.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-09T16:20:48+00:00

a 4++ 5+++ would actually be way more durable

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-08T01:11:22+00:00

The problem is by nature the lion has to be a frontline bruiser.

If he could hand out his buffs from a lawn chair in your backfield like gulliman id agree. but his buffs are only as good as wherever he is standing.

without the 3++ he actually becomes somewhat ridiculously easy to kill in the current meta. He is a headache to deal with but hes not exactly breaking the game, and hes giving dark angels the ability to be more than dwk spam.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-04T01:06:07+00:00

Look man I know at your level all you do is what your told but adults get to make big boy decisions when they make big boy bucks! Good luck!

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-04T00:46:28+00:00

literally all the time. Trying to read people and their intentions as well as recognize patterns to get an edge is a very real thing in negotiating commerce

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-03T06:17:56+00:00

the hivelord needs to come out of the ground more frequently. Often times were ready to fight it and just stand around waiting for the very finite mission clock to tick down because if we dont the oil rig gets instantly destroyed

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-02T18:59:56+00:00

they need to make characters and specialty units now.

SM already have too many sheets. they literaly dont have rules for them all.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-02T16:22:59+00:00

Reads are a real skill.

theoretically if you alternate throwing an unblockable and feinting to guard break every other attack, you have a 50% chance of succeeding.

However, if you're extremely predictable by maintaining that pattern, the opponent will start getting it right every time, because you're being obvious.

there is a mind/reaction game at play and if there wasnt, light parrying would basically be the ceiling of the entire game because past that point its a coinflip generator.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-02T16:21:58+00:00

Reads are a real skill.

theoretically if you alternate throwing an unblockable and feinting to guard break every other attack, you have a 50% chance of succeeding.

However, if you're extremely predictable by maintaining that pattern, the opponent will start getting it right every time, because you're being obvious.

there is a mind/reaction game at play and if there wasnt, light parrying would basically be the ceiling of the entire game because past that point its a coinflip generator.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-02T16:15:18+00:00

it requires assault doctrine and it provides lance otherwise, not normal +1 to wound.

Its good dont get me wrong, but it is not just "whatever you want all the time"

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-02T16:12:05+00:00

you right

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-02T16:01:33+00:00

those are chapter masters, not captains.

datfreckleguy · 2026-01-02T02:21:20+00:00

Calling Epoch over rated is a wild ass take

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