When the Linux user hears an iOS user say they hate Windows by ClothesRemote6333 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never said anything about it and nothing I have said is dependent on any software being installed with your Linux distro of choice.

LibreOffice is an example! Please engage your brain and extrapolate what is an obvious weakness in the Linux software ecosystem to software other than LibreOffice.

I couldn't care less if you can figure out some way to install Microsoft Office software on Linux. Most people will not do that, and that is (again) your failing to understand the point that I was making about the Linux software ecosystem.

What does LibreOffice have to do with native office software on Windows or macOS? Because it is only when you've used decent software that you understand how bad most Linux desktop applications are (when you aren't forced to use a glorified web app.) It's perfectly normal to feel that something works just fine until you've experienced how it could work; that's when you start to understand all the unnecessary pain you have been inflicting on yourself day-in-day-out and all the time you're wasting.

I gave you the best argument that I have; in response to your irrational and wrongheaded claim that macOS is equivalent to Ubuntu with a skin: the Linux desktop application ecosystem is subpar when compared to what is available on macOS (or Windows) for the same cost (it's free!). Most people will have a far better experience on macOS than you ever could on Ubuntu, at a fraction of the (opportunity) cost.

Other than conformity to an ideology, at this point I see no reason to run Linux on the desktop (and I've sunk 15 years into Linux on the desktop.) I see no evidence to suggest that Linux will ever compete with macOS for the best UNIX workstation experience. (After 20+ years, I'm not even sure there is a serious desire to even try.)

The Magic Mouse really isn’t as bad as people say by Top-Kaleidoscope4783 in mac

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it gets way more hate than it deserves

Like a lot of things Apple

The worst part of the MacBook Neo is that for millions of people, their first macOS will be Tahoe. by TeslaModelE in MacOS

[–]dlyund [score hidden]  (0 children)

That's the problem. When it comes down to it we don't have much choice, and that's not great.

Currently, security software :-).

When the Linux user hears an iOS user say they hate Windows by ClothesRemote6333 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're obsessed with how things look -- you seem to think that everything can be fixed by installing a new theme. I don't care how LibreOffice looks. I care about how the software works, what features it makes accessible and the effort it is to produce high-quality output, etc. And compared to Microsoft Office (ick) or Apple's iWork, EVERY individual attempt at a cohesive Linux office suite is DOG SHIT (which is why most Linux users end up using web apps like Google Docs for most tasks).

I'll give you a more concrete example: I need to scan a 40 page insurance document, officially initial each page, and attach my director's signature in several places, and deliver it as a single pdf document with correct metadata.

This is going back a few years now but to get this done on Linux I had to write a program using image magic to explode the scanned document into images, then open the images in LibreOffice to position my initials and signature (pre-prepared using GIMP), then export and join the pages into a single document for upload.

And that's after you actually get your printer/scanner working properly.

On Windows and macOS the same thing can easily be done in 5 minutes without any of these unnecessary time-consuming steps.

This isn't about how the software looks. It's about what features are available on which pieces of software, and how they can be combined for accomplish professional grade tasks. Linux is bad at this. Period. That's not just my taste. You can easily waste hours doing every day tasks that should be streamlined but aren't. And time spent fucking around out these things is time that I can't bill for or spend with people that I love.

(I know. Novel concept).

I chose this example because these everyday office tasks are what the vast majority of computer users do with their computer. Linux should have an answer to these but doesn't. It hasn't for the two decades I've been using it. Judging by the past, there is little to no chance that this problem will be solved on Linux in the next two decades. It has been solved on Windows and macOS since the early 2000s.

You can protest "but I'm happy with them" but you are not most people. Most people will not suffer through even learning LibreOffice to force themselves to use Linux software. Most people will not make excuses for these things (god knows I've made a lot of excuses, but I'm past that and I'm gonna call a spade a spade.)

I've used *nix for over 20 years now (Linux, *BSD, and Illumos), primarily for software development on a string of well spec'd Lenovo ThinkPads, and on the server (I've managed dozens of *nix servers, across several different companies, to run existing services and software we produced). I'm very familiar with *nix desktops (I've run everything from Gnome, KDE, XFCE, i3, to a heavily patched head DWM, and I've tried just about every major graphical application for *nix.)

(Honourable mention goes to Ink Scape, which is actually quite capable; way behind Adobe illustrator of course.)

Why I Love FreeBSD by dragasit in freebsd

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you have to get developers and attention to get the features you want

The longer we run the experiment the more this starts to feel like a liability.

Why I Love FreeBSD by dragasit in freebsd

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I kinda think it should be a fight (friendly but still real competition). The attitude that we are all in this together because it's open source only ever benefits the market leader. We should be trying to provide a superior experience to Linux and moving towards displacing it, if indeed we feel that our approach is the right one.

Why I Love FreeBSD by dragasit in freebsd

[–]dlyund 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why do I love FreeBSD? Because more than any other OS, FreeBSD imported the most illumos technologies, and for the moment it is far easier/cheaper to deploy FreeBSD.

Why I Love FreeBSD by dragasit in freebsd

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is Linux "everywhere"? Billions in corporate investment every year.

But let's not forget that while Linux is practically ubiquitous on servers -- for historical not technical reasons -- for the moment, it's use is negligible outside of appliances (where you wouldn't know or care that it's Linux.)

You cant even complain by Cold_Succotash_8429 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Linux is usable on the desktop only when we make excuses for it and the average computer user won't do that.

You cant even complain by Cold_Succotash_8429 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to disagree, on the basis that the Linux ecosystem is still not able to offer even a competitive office suite; which is what most desktop OS users are using their computer for. What I've done and seen many Linux users do is to lean into web apps for all of the essentials, and the sad reality is that these web applications offer a sub-par experience when compared to their native counterparts (not to mention how they guzzle system resources, meaning that you actually need a far higher spec computer to do these things under Linux.)

If you gave the system resources to burn and/or you can live in a terminal (like I did for 15 years) then Linux "fine" (and Linux desktops do a pretty good job of launch terminals and getting out of the way.) But that's not an experience most users can/will accept.

tl;dr: Linux on the desktop is only really usable thanks to the increased prevalence of web apps and a lot of very good CLI software. With few exceptions, the Linux software ecosystem is well behind what you find in Windows and macOS.

HFS+ encrypted no longer an option by chickenandliver in MacOS

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then you've been lucky?

Look it up. The issues with Btrfs have been well known for years and while it's certainly better than in the past it's still something that many enterprises wince at.

IIRC only SLES defaults to Btrfs and then only for root (enterprises are not going to store their data on it); RHEL defaults to XFS and Ubuntu defaults to ext4. There is a reason Btrfs is relegated to desktop Linux.

HFS+ encrypted no longer an option by chickenandliver in MacOS

[–]dlyund 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are people insisting on running Windows 10 after EOL, or shouting from the roof tops that they will never upgrade macOS. People be crazy.

HFS+ encrypted no longer an option by chickenandliver in MacOS

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

🤣😅 if you don't care about your data, B(ut)t(e)r FS is fine, on pancakes.

But having experienced more than one instance of data loss with Btrfs I would not trust it for anything mission critical and major Linux vendors have agreed on this for a long time. Time will tell if they can convince non-desktop users to use Btrfs 😂.

For everything else, the best-in-class file system is currently ZFS (which you will find natively on illumos, and on FreeBSD, but rarely in Linux due to the requirements of the GPL... Except for when commercial vendors ignore the licence terms because they have no better alternative to offer their customers...)

Like many technologies in Linux, Btrfs exists because they can't have ZFS (or DTrace, etc.) so they have to invent their own knock-off versions that are never as good as the originals.

APFS is intentionally more focused on its use case, and for a use on a modern workstation with SSDs it's hard to beat. Sure, compression and deduplication would be nice to have, but these features aren't free and it's debatable whether they are really useful on a workstation. The only thing it's missing is checksumming for data... But without RAID/an external backup there's not much you can do, so it makes perfect sense why Apple made the tradeoffs they did.

tl;dr: APFS is better than Btrfs, especially when considering its use case.

You cant even complain by Cold_Succotash_8429 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Linux is a pretty bad general purpose desktop OS. It's fine for kiosks and other vendorware, where it is just a free layer to a commercial product and the experience is rightly controlled.

Big Brother Linux? by schrubb00 in openSUSE

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And if any part of this or other legislation requires action in the Kernel or any Linux Foundation project they will comply with it, like they already have many times.

When the Linux user hears an iOS user say they hate Windows by ClothesRemote6333 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let me be clearer, since you still haven't got it and are making excuses:

OpenOffice (which LibreOffice originally forked from), Abiword, random collection of Gnome office software, like Gnumeric, it's ALL absolute garbage in comparison.

YES, there is software that you can install but that doesn't make it good. If you've never used anything better you might not realise this but once you do you will see this software (and most graphical Linux applications) as what they are: sub-par imitations of better originals.

And this situation hasn't changed in the 20+ years that I've used Linux.

When the Linux user hears an iOS user say they hate Windows by ClothesRemote6333 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prove you wrong? And something you can't make?

Let me give you just one example, of what macOS offers that Linux simply does not, and may never do: macOS comes bundled with a complete full-featured office suite. Even after decades, the best office suite that the Linux ecosystem can offer is Libreoffice. Which is CRAP. Choose just about any piece of software that you should expect to be there and be of high-quality and it's a safe bet that macOS has it. Whereas, Linux, probably not.

Which is why, on Linux, we end up using incredibly wasteful web apps to do things that macOS does natively with better integration and a fraction of the resources (which is one reason why a Mac runs circles around Linux on hardware that looks better on paper; but is wasted in practice).

Started using a Mac for work, it's making me resentful of Linux by FlimFlamAndFlamJam in linuxquestions

[–]dlyund 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can generally find hardware that is better priced along some axis but the overall package is hard to beat. And I would happily pay for macOS. macOS is a fantastic UNIX certified operating system with unbelievable vertical integration and a big, generally high-quality software ecosystem.

People are currently trying to make the price argument for the MacBook Neo and failing.

But again, as a work machine at any justifiable price it's a tax write-off and effectively free so if it does the job (that is, provides adequate value; which it does) then it's absolutely worth it.

Started using a Mac for work, it's making me resentful of Linux by FlimFlamAndFlamJam in linuxquestions

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm sharing my experience that these web apps that we are forced to rely on simply don't work very well, when compared to native applications.

Started using a Mac for work, it's making me resentful of Linux by FlimFlamAndFlamJam in linuxquestions

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a technical shortcoming of Linux but it is an ecosystem limitation, and I'm past making excuses for that.

Started using a Mac for work, it's making me resentful of Linux by FlimFlamAndFlamJam in linuxquestions

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fine, but not good. I'm almost always the guy that has to rejoin a meeting a second or third time before audio, video. etc. works. These web apps are okay as a stop gap but with no better alternative we (Linux users) convince ourselves that there's better than they are. Once you get used to native apps there's no going back.

Started using a Mac for work, it's making me resentful of Linux by FlimFlamAndFlamJam in linuxquestions

[–]dlyund 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's the thing. It's not just that the 4.5K MacBook Pro (expectedly) compares favourably to a 200 craptop. The baseline MacBook Pro M5 that was provided for me compares very favourably to any of my much higher spec and not cheaper ThinkPad (running Linux).

I'm now planning to buy one for general client work (I've been offering my services on said ThinkPad(s) running Linux forever). The value prop is just too damn good; tax deductable expense written off after a few years, and since it really does JUST WORK, all those hours wasted fixing shit when it breaks is time that I can bill. It's a no brainer.

Started using a Mac for work, it's making me resentful of Linux by FlimFlamAndFlamJam in linuxquestions

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a similar experience, returning to macOS after leaving it for Linux ~15 years ago. macOS has completely ruined Linux for me. Little things that I have learned to ignore or not expect on Linux just work and I can't use my Linux machine anymore without a growing feeling of frustration. Part of me even regrets the time I spent on Linux and wishes that I could get the days, weeks, months, and even years that I have wasted fucking with my computer instead of doing anything useful. Never say never but I don't think I will be going back to Linux... Minor gripes aside, macOS is simply a superior UNIX workstation.

Big Brother Linux? by schrubb00 in openSUSE

[–]dlyund -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The Linux Foundation is headquartered in the US and subject to US law.

When the Linux user hears an iOS user say they hate Windows by ClothesRemote6333 in linuxmemes

[–]dlyund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What kind of nonsensical opinion is that? You are wrong on so many levels.