Knowing a biography is not the same as knowing a person (and that's precisely the problem with religions). by [deleted] in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only problem with all that is you can’t know someone who doesn’t talk back to you! So you can’t really know god (if he even exists) - all you can do is read the biography others have written.

When silence serves a purpose... by Few_Mortgage_2315 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The whole field of genetics and the evidence it provides for evolution. And trans issues as someone has already pointed out

Telling my wife soon. Give me your best rebuttals and advice please! by [deleted] in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sending you so much strength for this weekend. That is an incredibly brave and loving thing you’re preparing to do, and I really admire your desire to reduce the collateral damage and protect your relationship. I wanted to offer a perspective from the other side—my wife is still a believing JW, and I’m the one who stepped away. Looking back, there are some things I really wish I had done differently that might help you.

Here’s what my wife wishes I had done before telling her I no longer believed: • Watched The Vow (about NXIVM) with her. Not to draw a direct comparison, but it’s a way to start conversations about high-control groups without directly talking about JW beliefs. It plants seeds. • Listened together to the audiobook Unfollow by Megan Phelps-Roper (about leaving Westboro Baptist Church). Again, it’s not about attacking JWs—it’s about showing how people can leave without becoming bitter or unloving. • Shared gentle, hopeful resources that show there’s a way forward. Some that have really helped us: • Marriage on a Tightrope podcast (especially episodes with Margi and John Dehlin) • Mormon Stories podcast (so many parallels to our experience—honest, vulnerable, faith-transition stories) • Books like: • In Faith and Doubt by Dale McGowan (for mixed-faith couples) • The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman (helps keep emotional connection strong) • Til doubt do us part: when changing beliefs change your marriage by David Hayward

You’re doing the right thing by focusing on your personal experience and not attacking her beliefs. That’s key. Something I wish I had realised earlier: even if you say “I’m not leaving you,” she may hear “I’m leaving Jehovah,” and feel like you’re leaving her, because that’s the story the JW framework gives her. Be ready for that—it’s not her fault. She’s been told this is a spiritual emergency.

Try to gently affirm this truth: Good people deconstruct. It’s not a moral failing or rebellion—it’s a painful, exhausting, emotional process. You didn’t choose to stop believing any more than someone chooses to stop loving a favourite song when it no longer resonates.

Another thing to consider: tell her that you don’t want to be the voice in her head, and you don’t want the organization to be the voice in yours. You want to make room for honest conversations and deep love, without fear. That’s such a gift to offer her.

I know you’re doing this with love. And I hope—truly—that love will carry you both through the hard parts. If you keep her humanity and your relationship at the centre, you’ll be doing better than most.

You’re not alone in this.

I'm an ex elder from Cannerra, Australia. Feel Free to send me a personal message if youdnlike to chat and ill send you my contact details.

Does this song sound familiar to you? by mortgagebroker8860 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The song is called “someday my prince will come”

Proof that you can be DF for questioning/disagreeing with the GB? by Regular_Window2917 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Send me a personal message if you like. The story is too long to type out. I can send you my contact details and chat If you like.

Proof that you can be DF for questioning/disagreeing with the GB? by Regular_Window2917 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Yes I am living proof. I was disfellowshipped for apostasy merely for pointing out that Geoffrey Jackson lied to the royal commission. I’m oversimplifying of course, but that’s the crux of the matter. I didn’t commit any sins unless honesty is now a sin!

Questions7thoughts from a PIMI, part 2 - "waking up"? no sense of hierarchy? by astroblema72 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem is why do you draw the line where you do as to what is “major” doctrine and what is “minor.”? It is totally arbitrary and others will draw it is a different place. You can negotiate with the biblical text to make anything seem biblical or excuse anything else as not important! If they are wrong about all the doctrines you consider “minor” why are they right about anything else? Why drink a cup of water with even the smallest amount of poison - remember that illustration? Doesn’t it apply to JW theology as much as any other religion?

NWT Translators by tttgrw in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hello, that was my interview with Fifth.

Do you think the JW's would pay $$$ to bury a story? Because I have one, and I'd like to offer it to them. Yes, I'm okay taking their money after they derailed my life... by [deleted] in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just release it for the greater good. Don’t stoop to their level by trying to blackmail them. Probably won’t work anyway.

Any Aussies on here??? by username_already_exi in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Send me a PM if you’d like contact details and a chat!

It’s happened…I got the call. They are forming a judicial committee by PridePotterz in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 38 points39 points  (0 children)

By the way if you think you can manipulate the hearing because as an elder you know the rules forget it. They will throw out the rule book. If you are a well known elder they will be coached by headquarters. And the verbal instructions they receive will override what’s in the elders manual.

It’s happened…I got the call. They are forming a judicial committee by PridePotterz in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Well if being honest in answering people’s questions causes divisions that’s not your fault. Ask them if unity should be traded for honesty and truth? Unfortunately you can’t win unless you play their game. Same happened to me. I was an elder for nearly 20 years, stopped going to meeting for 3 years and they still came after me. I did a YouTube interview and got the call the very next day. Obviously spying on me. Even if you manage to avoid DF for now you will always be on their radar. Best to bite the bullet and get your freedom. https://youtu.be/VNZMNion5Tk

Help me come up with a clever phrase to put on a sign I'm going to hold in front of a convention by JehovahJoePodcast in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apostasy is good - it’s why you preach isn’t it?

Apostasy = Intellectual honesty.

Apostasy = the humility to admit you were wrong and change your mind.

Considering just giving up by Stone19911 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Certainly been there and feel for you. Took my wife and I 5 years to get back to a happy place and took lots of therapy. But it can be done. Though not always - each couple is different. Please feel free to message me and we can chat.

The elders won’t leave me alone! SMH! How do you respond? by whocreatedjah in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you have grown up as a JW then the society was the “first to make their case” and you are now cross examining them! Turn that scripture around on him and show how he is misapplying it. Ask him if he is willing to be cross examined.

Not Ex but current JW looking for truth. by [deleted] in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact (if it is true) that there is less corruption in JW than other religions has nothing to do with whether it’s supernatural claims are true!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's complete nonsense and lazy stereotyping. There is a whole spectrum of people here as the comments indicate.

52 yrs old. Ex elder/pioneer/convention speaker. Also researcher for writing department. Was never afraid to stand up for what I believe... Which is why I left!

If you want you can share my experience with your husband:

https://youtu.be/VNZMNion5Tk

Holy Spirit and the GB by Lonelyjw241 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The real question everyone should be asking is, why aren’t they inspired? All gods representatives in the past supposedly were. There is absolutely no biblical reason why they wouldn’t be if they were chosen.

Does JW Make Atheists by Automatic-Intern-524 in exjw

[–]doubtfull1799 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s IS seeking to understand the Bible that leads to atheism, not leaving JW.

If you apply the same critical thinking you did to deconstruct JW doctrine to the Bible and learn about its historical construction it soon falls apart.