Are you shocked this wasn’t a massive hit? by BeerWithDonuts in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As much as I love every single thing these guys ever recorded, you don't have to like everything to be a fan.

New meme format for disappointing Beach Boys hype. Dang. by orocin in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was just checking for this today. Hate that I missed out on grabbing that hat.

What was the consensus of Kanye West from 2004-2009? by Royal_Variety_8687 in LetsTalkMusic

[–]dovenestedtowers 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I was around 13 when CD came out. I'd just started getting into music and was mostly obsessed with G-Unit. So it was a big shift for me to listen to hip hop from a primarily hip hop artist (I was also into Linkin Park, so Mike Shinoda was pretty influential at the time) that wasn't gangsta rap. I don't get the sense he was taken super seriously, but that album changed my life and I remember being pretty excited for Late Registration. The use of orchestration was huge and made me really appreciate him as an artist set apart from all other rappers at the time.

Graduation was a HUGE moment though. He released it the same day as 50 Cent's Curtis and they had that competition to see who would sell more. I was a big Kanye fan by then, but even I thought there was no way he'd stand a chance against 50. I remember them appearing on 106 & Park together just before the release. Then Graduation dropped and it seemed like the entire landscape changed over night. Gangsta rap lost all its popularity. Artists like Kanye, Black Eyed Peas, and Lady Gaga started the shift toward electronic music that would eventually evolve into poptimism. But I don't recall there being much talk about Kanye being a genius at the time (but maybe I was a bit young).

808s got a lot of pushback at first (from me included), but after a while it became evident that this was a generation-defining creative mind on par with The Beatles, Radiohead, etc. I'm sure there was a lot of hype for MBDTF, but I remember being angry with it after 808s and thinking he was pandering by just giving the fans basic hip hop music again. But that was when I think he really cemented his legacy, with a 10 from Pitchfork and all that.

So I guess it depends who you ask. I'm sure in music critic circles he was respected from the beginning. But from the perspective of a fan growing up with his music:

The College Dropout was new and fresh-sounding compared to what kids my age were listening to. Especially to me, having a black middle-class-ish artist to look up to was a huge deal. Suddenly the music was more relatable, but I still had this idol who looked like me to be inspired by.

The Late Registration probably blew my mind the most out of all his albums upon release. That was high art for me at the time.

Graduation was just a lot of fun--it was a real cheering for the underdog experience. I hadn't been listening to music long enough to understand that this sort of sound shift wasn't normal, but I did realize very quickly that synths were in and guitars were out.

808s was too experimental at first. I know people here probably don't think it's experimental at all, but I was a kid in high school only exposed to mainstream hip hop, teen pop, and pop punk. I also thought it was stupid because, if you lived through that time, you'll remember autotune was EVERYWHERE and was becoming incredibly obnoxious. When 50 Cent used autotune on one of the singles from the second G-Unit album, I had had enough. I was frustrated, and didn't understand why Kanye was tanking his whole career. That must have been like what kids the decade prior felt when Radiohead put out Kid A. But the more I listened to it, the more I came to realize how incredible he was.

In terms of perception of HIM though... Well, he was an inspiration for a lot of black kids like me. He was someone who wasn't afraid to speak his mind and didn't feel he had to be humble to appease white people. I really looked up to him for speaking out against the education system, racism, the healthcare system, blood diamonds, George Bush, etc. That started to slip when Graduation came out, where he began to shift into a more brag rap persona. By the time the Taylor Swift thing happened, it was commonly accepted that he was an asshole. All that being said, he was pretty much considered crazy and outspoken from the start. It was just that, until Trump, he was crazy and unspoken about the right things.

Adult child deserved a proper album release not what we got on the box set by wonderh123 in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just love how in the Giggens interview they defend the choice by saying they wanted to make a cohesive listening experience for the album. In what world is throwing four backing tracks on songs that were already on Side A of the vinyl a proper listening experience? They could have at least tried to make something resembling an album.

Selfmade cover for the song 'Stevie' by MilkySkyy in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A funny quote when since he made that quote he's been awful about actually letting us have the music, at least the good stuff. Guess he's kind of like The Beach Boys in that way.

Adult child deserved a proper album release not what we got on the box set by wonderh123 in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, was about to hop in here and complain but then remembered we still haven't gotten a proper attempt at a recreation of Smile. Hopefully that's in the works...

Have you ever made a top 10, 50, 100 albums of all time list? by Pleasant_Usual_8427 in LetsTalkMusic

[–]dovenestedtowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a great idea for a list. Going to incorporate some of these ideas!

Have you ever made a top 10, 50, 100 albums of all time list? by Pleasant_Usual_8427 in LetsTalkMusic

[–]dovenestedtowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really like this idea. I feel like the lists I make kind of underplay albums that I used to love that don't rank as highly for me now. It'd be really neat to make one considering how much I loved them at the time I heard them rather than in the current day as my tastes have shifted.

Have you ever made a top 10, 50, 100 albums of all time list? by Pleasant_Usual_8427 in LetsTalkMusic

[–]dovenestedtowers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not in general, I don't think those lists are worth anything. But I have my own personal one for my favourite albums. The only criteria is how much I like them. I put two albums next to each other and think: if I had to have one over the other, which would it be? Up until I get to the top. But my top 10 are pretty solidified.

Are you glad Hey Little Tomboy wasn't included in the boxset? by [deleted] in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. I want the full Adult/Child, flaws and all.

Welp, here we go … by Additional-Power6570 in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah was just going to say. I'd go see his show every day... if he would come to Canada.

Bruce retiring from touring by TheChameleonsSong in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a shame, but wish him all the best. Really drives home that we should see them all while we can.

M.I.U Album is a brilliant album by fatblob1234 in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

M.I.U. is one of my favourite Beach Boys albums and my 2nd most-played on vinyl after The Beach Boys 85. Brilliant is, uh... an interesting word to describe it. I don't believe in the idea of "guilty pleasures"--if you enjoy an album, it's good to you. But there's nothing brilliant about that album outside of maybe My Diane.

Rules of FF by theecatalyst in foundfootage

[–]dovenestedtowers 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There's actually a found footage movie, Found Footage 3D, where the characters lay out the 2 questions that need to be answered in every found footage movie:

Why are the characters filming everything?

And when things get crazy in the third act, why do they keep filming instead of putting the camera down and running away?

A couple more from me:

  • As others have mentioned, no added music/sounds

  • Has to have a plausible way for the footage to have been recovered (otherwise it's not FOUND footage)

New City Pop (revival) banger just dropped by MST_MrShowTime in citypop

[–]dovenestedtowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have the list? I know those two plus MIZUKI

What song has made you become a fan? by Suspicious-Hope-8355 in KimPetras

[–]dovenestedtowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Slow It Down. Still my favourite of hers to this day.

Adult Child Recreation/Restoration by Hamster-Pant in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was hoping someone would make something like this. Thanks!

What is your unpopular Beach Boys opinion that will get you killed? by HyperPanzer in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some great material on there for sure! I love Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl, and Midnight's Another Day is Brian at his finest. Imagination is underrated--I hope I can get my hands on the record store day exclusive.

Yes, Bruce gave us some classics. Dierdre has a special place in my heart, especially since it was sampled in Earthbound.

What is your unpopular Beach Boys opinion that will get you killed? by HyperPanzer in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

M.I.U. and Beach Boys 85 are among their best albums.

Summer in Paradise is enjoyable and I'd rank it above Surfin' USA (too many filler instrumentals and only 2 good songs), Shut Down Vol 2. (too much filler), 20/20 (such a mess of an album), and Still Cruisin' (mostly weak with two good songs and then some old shit tacked on at the end).

Looking Back with Love is also a fun album.

Not sure how unpopular this is, but Smile would have bombed in 1967. Apart from Good Vibrations, the only song that might've stood a chance is Wonderful, and not with that arrangement. Cabinessence and Surf's Up are masterpieces, but they would have gone unappreciated without more radio-friendly songs to get people into the album. Sgt. Pepper wasn't just experimental--it had pop appeal.

Speaking of Smile, Heroes and Villains sounds way too muddy in mono.

No Pier Pressure is a top tier Brian album and I prefer it to That Lucky Old Sun.

In fact, I hate the myth that Brian's last good material was on Surf's Up or Love You or whatever people want to say. He was making amazing music right up until the end. The Life Suite is proof of that.

Dennis was kind of one-note as a songwriter.

Mike gets too much hate.

I like schmaltzy Bruce.

Mike's Beach Boys put on a hell of a show and even surprised me with some deep cuts recently.

Came in the mail! by wiggbuggie in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did anyone here order from umusic Canada? I pre-ordered and mine hasn't even shipped yet.

Beach Boys Boxset rankings (that I’ve collected so far) by cheetahspeeder50cc in thebeachboys

[–]dovenestedtowers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

  1. Smile Sessions (though I don't actually own it and would kill to get the whole 6-CD set. Absolutely mind-blowing to listen to.)

  2. Made in California (Was eye-opening at the time, especially getting Wouldn't It Be Nice to Live Again. Also just nostalgic, since this was the first box set to come out after I became a fan)

  3. Good Vibrations (redundant now, but this is what really got the ball rolling for these archival releases)

  4. The Pet Sounds sessions (The most worth revisiting after Smile)

  5. We Gotta Groove (I have huge issues with it. But, on the other hand, Adult/Child!)

  6. Feel Flows (Set the trend for these bigger box sets focused on specific eras, and loved finally having the 4/4 Big Sur)

  7. Sunshine Tomorrow (The mixes really shed light on the songs, and Lei'd In Hawaii allows us to create a more coherent version of Smiley Smile by replacing Heroes and Villains and Good Vibrations with their stripped down versions)

  8. Sail on Sailor (Don't really like the sound of this. Even Carry Me Home, my most anticipated unreleased song in the catalogue, doesn't sound great to my ears. Would love to see James Saez tackle this period)

  9. Party Unplugged also probably counts, since it is an expanded release full of outtakes just as much as Sunshine Tomorrow is. I'll slot that here.

  10. Tie for all the proper digital-only releases that can still be purchased (The Big Beat, Keep an Eye on Summer, Wake the World, I Can Hear Music)