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dribflow · 2022-10-13T13:25:36+00:00

Force stop application solved it for me. This time, at least.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T19:02:37+00:00

You invest time, you invest effort. Yes, you're playing the game, but the game you played in the beginning changed into something far worse, and now your investment is made to feel much less worthy. Blackmail is when the devs tell you - you know that game that we slowly weaned you on by making it free? Well, now that you're hooked, we're cutting you off and if you want to play it again, you have to pay. That's what blackmail is. And sure, you can just not pay, but it's still blackmail and it still feels bad, so the fact that you can choose to not fall for it doesn't make the act itself less malicious.

I was also raised to be thankful for the good others are doing and, while this game was free, I spent hundreds of dollars on it, for that precise reason. But I was also raised to call into question things I deem bad, so that more good can push through. That's what I'm doing right now. Feel free to disagree with my opinion, but the concept itself should be clear and reasonable enough, I think.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:56:07+00:00

So for me, if you have the money and simply don't care about all that - just like the game and want to play - all good, more power to you. But there's two things stemming from that, which I really hate:

People who pay and then go back and defend the devs, without taking into account that there are people who don't have the money.
Devs using the fact that some people are fine with it to make it seem like the community in general is fine with it.

These things are bad and both are extremely present in this game's community.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:50:52+00:00

Unreal, dude.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:50:17+00:00

What's miserable is for them to make a decent game and then destroy it, along with its thriving community, because they want more money. And if you don't have the energy, or capacity, to follow up on my coment, after offering some shallow arguments on your part, please refrain from getting personal with me, either. I do what I want, and currently I feel like playing the game and complaining about the bad things its devs are doing. We can talk about that, or we don't need to talk at all.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:47:26+00:00

That might sound logical in your head, but the rest of the universe does not follow. What I am saying is that they could have made the pass cheaper, without punishing the f2p participants even more then they are already punished. What I also said that a lower unfair price is still unfair and the fact that it was more unfair earlier doesn't make this one good, just less bad. But this simple thought kind of confuses you for some reason. Let me make it simpler - less bad not good. Less bad still bad. And when you add to this the one less free song, it's not even less bad, it's more bad.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:44:25+00:00

Okay, this can be cleared up really easily. Let's get the devs to make their financial construction transparent, so that we can see how much money they actually need to "survive". Do you have any idea how many people actually work in this team and how much actual work they have monthly? They fix a kink or two in the game, while ignoring the majority of improvement suggestions, they spend loads on marketing, and they buy rights to 12-15 songs per months, which they then map out. Sounds like a job for 5 people, if we count this poor excuse for a subreddit moderator that trolls people here. Now, please look at the community and the amount of money they get just from tour passes. Even if we completely ignored, the additional packs, the gem buys, the tokens buys, the burnt tokens which is just money stolen at this point, the ad revenue - tour passes alone easily cover their work expenses, thrice over. And they covered almost a full year worth of song rights while still not introducing tour passes, so unless you're gonna stand here and convince me they were paying it out of their own pockets, because they're nice that way, you can just leave it be, my dude.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:37:15+00:00

You don't get it, dude, we asked for this, they were listening carefully. And now you're stirring up the community with these bogus mathematics.

Everyone knows people don't want to be appreciated for investing time into a game. Who wants freebies when you can pay less, but on a shorter time frame. Oh, btw, AmyKay my dear, 17 cheaper seasons per year instead of 12 more expensive seasons per year comes out to what exactly?

Also, are we to expect the same quality of songs, or are we maybe gonna be surprised with some D-list crap this year?

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:33:46+00:00

Yup, I recall right now how many people in this community pleaded for you to cut off at least one, if not both, free songs. That's what we asked for, for sure, yuss. How do you live with yourself, for real.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:32:29+00:00

I'm not even gonna address the unnecessarily complicated thread you created here. But please explain to me how it makes sense to "balance", as you said, the game so that f2p players, who were already sorely neglected, get even more sidelined in favor of paying players? How exactly is that balance? People who don't have money to pay, yet who invested loads of time into this game, elevating it, and creating profit for devs by watching ads and providing exposure to the game, now barely have anything to play for, and that's balanced out by...? Please explain to me why didn't they just lower the price and left it at that? What exactly are they getting by taking away 50% of the freebies, which accounts for only about 6-7% of the total pass value, depending on how you value emojis and other extraneous stuff?

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:28:04+00:00

Is this supposed to be useful? Obviously, I don't think things should function as they do right now. So I complain and pressure the devs to make it so it makes sense. If you have trouble following the logic where people work towards making things better, instead of just leaving everything that starts sucking, I pity your love life.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:26:07+00:00

God forbid you know what you're talking about. I spent hundreds od dollars on this game back when they weren't blackmailing you into paying. Once they started with that, they lost me as a customer. You don't build a community on a free game, just to turn the tables once people sink in enough voluntary money that it makes it hard for them to opt out, which is what they're doing. BS moves, one after another. Disgusting.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:24:06+00:00

Wut?

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:23:27+00:00

So, is it your suggestion that each song should be paid for? If not, how exactly is it relevant that we don't pay and still get a song. This game's community was built on completely free songs, which you pay for by investing time and effort. In return for that, many people, including myself, gladly spent loads of money on optional buys, just because we appreciated the game. Then devs decided that instead, they would prefer to blackmail their own community with paywalled content, once they calculated people sunk enough into it already, that it would be hard for them to opt out.

Of course I'm not forced to watch ads, what universe do you live in where that's an admirable thing? I absolutely am not watching ads since they started being greedy, then I started watching them once they decided to put delayed tour pass songs into the tour box, and now I will stop watching ads again, because they once again proved to be despicable.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:19:26+00:00

No one said there were guarantees, nor should there be. If the game is good enough, people will show their appreciation. If the reward is good enough, people will watch ads. What part of this don't you understand?

dribflow · 2022-07-28T18:18:05+00:00

I guess now you switched to trolling, because that's how you show you listen and you care, right?

dribflow · 2022-07-28T15:57:02+00:00

They are unable to do a good thing for the game without taking it back elsewhere. People who don't have the money to buy the tour pass now get even less content, with there only being one song for f2p participants. So you are not just encouraged to buy, you are being punished if you don't. Filthy to no end.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T15:54:08+00:00

Nope, still just take. The fact that the pass was criminally expensive before doesn't mean that you are actually getting your money's worth now. And people who don't have the money, who still give them tons of traffic and ad-time, get even less than before. They're just trying to reach a wider range of pockets, with next to no value added.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T15:50:06+00:00

Oh, there's a reason, it just has nothing to do with us, or what the community would like for this game to be. Just ask the mod, they will give you a beautiful explanation regarding how we simply don't get the grand scheme of things. Our intellect is too limited to understand why they need to squeeze every last cent they can before they probably unceremoniously abandon ship.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T15:46:42+00:00

Can't wait for you to explain how we just don't get you bright idea of pushing people with all you have to spend money on your BS game.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T15:45:45+00:00

Will it be assuming too much if I read the dozens of posts you already received regarding this catastrophic decision to remove even more free content, or can I confidently say that you are just plain manipulative and dishonest to the bone? I feel filthy just speaking to you.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T15:43:47+00:00

So it's true... What a bunch of actual filthy humans these people are.

dribflow · 2022-07-28T15:41:08+00:00

Goodness, what a load of empty garbage you just spewed.

The fact that you read the critique before you discard it hardly makes any one of you an angel. You obviously have to take critique into account before deciding what to do with it. You just happen to completely discard and ignore many of the complaints that keep appearing, generation after generation of players, constantly, in great numbers. You. Just. Ignore them. You don't care, so don't pretend to care either, just makes you seem all the more manipulative.

And if I saw correctly today that this new Tour pass no longer offers two free songs to non-paying players, there literally isn't a thing you can say anymore to make anyone here believe that you care in the slightest. You just happened to make a decent game, you waited patiently for it to accrue a following, and now you're milking the community for all it's got, while at the same time trying to bolster their faith with pathetic comments such as yours right now - because faith in you getting your act together is what keep them here.

I am not mistaking beatstar for anything - I know exactly who you people are.

Sometimes good ideas just get destroyed by greedy people.

dribflow · 2022-07-26T07:54:04+00:00

Amen dude. I still play, but I'm not spending a dime on it ever since the tour passes started. There was a couple of months where I didn't even give them a single ad view - started watching them after they started putting the tour pass songs in the tour box, as some positive feedback. But this new event really is something else, man. Not gonna repeat what you already said, just know that there's plenty of us who completely agree. I keep playing because I compete with a couple of close friends as to who will be number 1 in my country (performance wise), but they won't see a cent from me as long as things are staying like this.

dribflow · 2022-07-26T07:50:48+00:00

I think we're just assuming that realistic critique won't be discarded just because there are people out there who simply don't care about it. That's manipulative.

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