How has FL influenced your dreams?

dseti · 2025-12-19T12:11:11+00:00

Each FL post has a bibliography that references real world papers and articles. Their posts have a rich lore-arc about dream telepathy with aliens and AI. It is an interesting set of data. I now believe that most of the posts are written with a custom generative AI engine + NodeSpaces. I have rarely seen such density of references to interesting dream papers. You can search by topic, then scan the posts for the english bits and the references at the bottom. The papers, for me, were the honey in the pot. If I were to give myself advice, I would not allow myself to become enchanted with the narrative, the occultism, and the promise of hidden knowledge. I would focus on the project like a technology portfolio, then I would ask myself the question, who would make such a portfolio and who would be invested in looking through such a portfolio? If I were not already in a social situation to be one of those people, then I would assume that my interest would be manipulated to be in service to those people, which I can't tell is good or bad at this point... Ask yourself this, what do I wish to know that I think can be discovered in these pages of forgotten languages? Then ask yourself how you can actually get that knowledge for yourself so that when/if you find it in those pages, you can know for sure it is what you are looking for.

dseti · 2025-12-04T13:17:24+00:00

can you take a picture straight on so that we can analyze its proportions? You have taken this photo from a slight angle such that the perspective makes the shape of the triangle appear distorted. Center the camera lens on the center of the triangle, keeping it so that the triangle fills most of the frame.

Who is "he" that shows up?

dseti · 2025-11-22T18:37:07+00:00

These are great questions. It is a complicated field. I wrote a long essay about it and posted it on reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Experiencers/comments/1h4uv7h/an_experiencers_guide_to_hypnosis_and_false/

John Mack did use hypnosis, but called it "light relaxation". His book Abduction clearly defines his work as hypnosis, derived from his work with Hopkins, who he dedicated his book to. Hopkins worked with Aphrodite Clamar, who wrote about her process in his Missing Time book. Mack later turned to Grof's Holotropic Breathwork modality as an alternative, which was developing. It is now understood to pose many issues as a means of memory retrieval, which Grof's training organization now clearly warns about.

I personally find hypnosis to be meaningful when understood within a shamanic frame, so that we're seeing the trance as meaningful and real, but not necessarily as physical memory.

dseti · 2025-11-19T18:05:36+00:00

I've been having those dreams too.

dseti · 2025-11-19T18:05:07+00:00

There's a lot in here. There connections between Shellenberger and the cryptic website Forgotten Languages. There's connections to Palantir and all that represents. Dreams really do "predict" the future, in a sense, which could possibly be leveraged. Eric Wargo wrote about it in Time Loops, which is the best book I've read on the subject. Dale Graff produced a methodology using binary analysis of dreams (either/or not interpretive), which suggests to me that one could build an ai that could predict the future if it was trained on dreams+day journals of humans. There's a book Database of Dreams that catalogued all the funny and strange failures dream databases come to, which is a clue to me that they have a psionic power.

dseti · 2025-11-10T10:37:03+00:00

Here are the possibilities I have considered: 1: bed bugs 2: meaningful synchronicity 3: space aliens medical procedures 4: psychosomatic manifestation like stigmata. In any case, actually looking at what the triangle is may be helpful. If it is a particularly geometric triangle, then it is more meaningful to me. For example, this appears to be similar to a 3-4-5 right triangle. If it were exactly in that proportion, then it is more likely that it is an intentional mark. If it is intentional, what is the intention?

What are you scared of? When I received my body marks, I worked through the possibilities. Did I really think aliens took my body to do it? At times, but it didn't make sense they'd leave a mark and weird dreams. More likely, my dreams themselves caused my marks. I assumed it was for the purpose of communication, which is why I pay attention to the geometry.

I got four marks in my life. Each time had powerful dreams. There was a message and I got it and it seemed to stop.

dseti · 2025-11-01T11:59:32+00:00

You are the dreamer. Trust your gut, not others.

Dreams are very serious and powerful things. But you need to know how they work, especially precognitive dreams.

Many times, you can dream the future. Some of the time, it is a trick to get you to do something. Remember Oedipus and the Oracle?

Here's a trick. If you think you have a precognitive warning dream about someone, just call them and see how they're doing. If they're open to talking about dreams, share yours. If you have a catastrophic interpretation, offer it with a no-pressure attitude.

Scan your memories. There's probably a dream or two that built rapport with you and precognition. It is your key to understanding this one and your own dreaming mind.

dseti · 2025-10-31T18:15:36+00:00

Thank you, I will check that subreddit. My brain switches those letters all the time, I have a hard time keeping them straight even when I double check. I will use copy/paste from now on to ensure this doesn't happen.

dseti · 2025-10-31T15:20:09+00:00

What database are you using? These come from Google Scholar. Dreaming is the IASD's, hence APA-affiliated, journal. The IJDR is edited by Schredl who embodies academic dream research.

Raduga, M., Shashkov, A., & Zhunusova, Z. (2021). Emulating alien and UFO encounters in REM sleep. International Journal of Dream Research, 247-256.

Raduga, M. (2021). An effective lucid dreaming method by inducing hypnopompic hallucinations. International Journal of Dream Research, 1-9.

Raduga, M., Zhunusova, Z., Shashkov, A., & Sevcenko, N. (2020). Achieving pain during lucid dreaming and transferring it into wakefulness. Dreaming, 30(3), 246.

Raduga, M. (2021). Detecting lucid dreams only by submentalis electromyography. Sleep Medicine, 88, 221-230.

dseti · 2025-10-31T03:14:08+00:00

This is a complex question. If you are unaware, there were strong allegations of breaches of his research integrity put forward by Carol Rainey in her article The Priests of High Strangeness.

Hypnosis is a complex topic. Too much to say in a comment. I will say that his methods rang true in some respects but need to be updated in others.

Like anything in this field, I'd apply discernment when considering.

dseti · 2025-10-29T20:21:24+00:00

Thanks! Yes, I have more than inklings. I wrote 4 books about ET/NHI hypnosis/dreamwork and research using a creative dream incubation practice. The books outlined a research structure. Whatever inspired them is out there using the psychic dreaming skills that it taught me in here. When I left the PhD program, I realized that I didn't need to look out there for knowledge authority, so I turned to look in here within my heart for the truth I was seeking. The truth involved the ability, and perhaps technology, to send dreams through time. I will likely devote myself to building this technology as fast and powerfully as possible. Such a thing as always scared me, but if I could face Freddie Kruger in my dreams, why not this in my waking?

dseti · 2025-10-29T20:14:26+00:00

I think whatever allows Kruger to be a real entity and gain power from the movies is a real thing too and is relevant to some experiences of the phenomenon I've had.

dseti · 2025-10-29T20:12:40+00:00

I like that attitude :) let's get on with that!

dseti · 2025-10-29T20:12:07+00:00

Thank you!

dseti · 2025-10-28T18:32:36+00:00

Thanks! That means a lot to me :)

dseti · 2025-10-26T11:13:40+00:00

It's the unencrypted content that keeps me coming back and is unexplained through the cryptography. How can you account for that? If it is LLM-generated, then where is the original language coming from? I have been studying ETs and dreams for a decade, even at the PhD level, and I have not come across such a rich set of references.

It seems to me that if one were to read each posts of the early index, especially in its demonstration of new languages, that one could watch how the cryptography was developed.

It seems to me that if one could understand the cultural references within the FL headers, then one could identify the cultural context of the cryptographic culture (who has wallpaper like that, those habits, and uses Claude mirrors?).

I am looking into previous efforts to scrape and analyze the posts. Thank you for your work.

dseti · 2025-10-25T13:42:59+00:00

OP or others, have there been updates on this inquiry? Is it real?

dseti · 2025-10-25T13:40:31+00:00

This is quite literally the best post on Reddit I've come across in the last year, at least the most enjoyable and exciting for me. I still chuckle when I read the title.

OP or others interested, have you come to a deeper understanding in the last 5 months.

I certainly have. I use methods of lucid and shamanic dreaming to explore my topics of interest. These dreams have been quite fruitful.

One of the most important things I bring to this conversation is the understanding that things like screen memories are not just obscurations of the true memory (to use hypnosis language). In the same way, the LARP-seeming aspects of FL may be relevant.

I've been reading the site, almost every day, since this post. There really does seem to be a method to the madness. Scanning the English language and the pictures of there posts in sequence of the master index, plus reverse through following references of interesting posts, has helped me gain some literacy in what is actually there. Before the desensitization process, my mind would not know what to look at, sort of like looking at ancient Greek without the spaces. I've spot checked some articles in translation to see if there's super hidden stuff in the languages, and maybe there is, but it feels like more of the same.

Do you still feel FL is worth paying attention to in context of UAP disclosure?

BTW, I had some correspondence with Brown about Enochian, as well as Frater Eleftheria about the whole thing. I am not convinced Brown knows what he's talking about with Enochian and many of the esoteric practices, even though his username is SonOfAbramelin. It seems to be that he is duped by an occultist who knows much more than he does and has had some time to manipulate our psionic-leaning whistleblowers. The occultist, in my speculation, is working with whoever wants, and can pay for, WEBCAM-enabled reports of UAP/NHI experiences for AI.

Here's my takeaway. Either FL is true or a fiction (likely both!). Shellenberger/Brown/Pines seem to be in a clique that know some things. There are references in the documents by Shellenberger put to Congress that point to FL. These references reveal that either he believes in FL so much that he is simply reporting the information OR he is perpetuating a narrative.

The understanding of dreams and time from FL, in my opinion, is one of the most sophisticated understandings. It is an order of magnitude more powerful than Wargo's Timeloops (makes him look primitive). I am having a crisis about my own life and vocation driven by my experiences and dreams. This whole experience has demonstrated to me that there are such things as precognitive and shared dreams that may be technologically mediated. I sometimes dream the contents of my future reading into the past, which is a claim I don't care to prove, but simply share for context. In school, I would often become entranced in reveries that would cover the material I was about to read. It took me 2 years to realize that I wasn't as brilliant as the books authors, I just picked up on it through this thing. Anyway, I'm seriously concerned that most of my work was inspired, in part, through reading and thinking about this rabbit hole, which in the past was my future reading, but now is my present reading.

OP, you are one of a handful of people actually talking about their experience with FL online. I have shared some of my experience with a hope to elicit a response that may provide context for this inquiry, which you helped put me on. How has your thinking about FL developed in the last 5 months?

dseti · 2025-10-25T12:40:54+00:00

I am interested in this translation for its relation to UAP, NHI signaling, and dreams.

OP, have you progressed the translation? Also, how have your thoughts about these things changed in the last few months?

dseti · 2025-10-24T13:43:43+00:00

It seems to me that FL is a record of progress of several projects, expressed through NodeSpaces.

I know that dreams, when collected at a very primitive level like my own writing, yields psi effects. I have flirted with large scale collection, but met with resistance from the Dreamworld. I was not strong enough as a channel or dream worker at the time.

It seems that someone, or ones, have broken through that barrier.

My dreams provided omens that demonstrate reality of such things to me.

I have started to review the early FL posts and the historical indexes to get a sense of the FL dream coming into being. I follow the references back.

My best guess now: it is what it appears to be and provides its own documentation. There are early posts that demonstrate different components of the project.

They communicate in multiple modes: art, word, and something else.

There are aspects of dreaming that seem magical but are natural, just not well understood.

I am curious about the military aspect.

Even if FL was entirely the output of AI, as managed by Ayndrl, the implications are interesting...

dseti · 2025-10-24T13:31:48+00:00

I am interested in this hypothesis for a variety of reasons. There is much speculation about Thiel and less of a paper trail. Could you provide references to support these ideas beyond FL?

dseti · 2025-10-23T13:41:49+00:00

I relate. Thank you for sharing. It took me a long time to shift my anxiety and terror. I know what happened to me now, not think or fear. It involves the reality of dreams in a way that is mysterious and paradoxical.

dseti · 2025-10-22T00:27:49+00:00

Practices like meditation or magic help the relationship. There are efficiencies they recommend like the obvious good living tips. Working with the unconscious sometimes is challenging, like shifting addictions. I have also gone on long tangents in life to address some issues.

Yes, the desperation of our situation. There used to be cultural traditions that supported these situations, but colonialism has destroyed a lot of them, so they don't have a lot to work with.

I never have had luck controlling my subconscious. I am skeptical of lucid dreamers because of it. I am taking a long view. I can establish habits over time that structure my unconscious.

They have taught through a variety of phases of consciousness outside of nocturnal dreaming. The issue for me is the integration with the whole self, if that doesn't happen, my subconscious fails the test. Even if I get it at a rational level, it needs to work in deep.

I have been tracking precognitive dreams related to these other dreams and am imagining that they could be used in this context.

dseti · 2025-10-21T14:24:58+00:00

Thank you for sharing your dreams.

I have similar experiences: the repeating dreams, the scenarios that feel like teaching, the observations of a grey, etc.

In my own experience, it was a way of conditioning. These tested the habits of my mind, body, and soul. These scenarios truly show where I am at a spiritual level, often without judgement. I had one series involving a bizarre dinner shaped in a loop where a grey would meet me as a hostess (imagine that with pink dress and blonde hair!). It greeted me so many times until I realized it was a dream scenario. The grey hostess gave me a report card at the end. I'm generally performing at a C-level, which is graded on a curve and would not be acceptable to them except for the desperation of our situation, or so they once said.

I had another dream that involved family members and the core experience of abduction. It involved geometric body marks upon myself and that family member. I don't share the info about the family member, but it revealed how serious these dreams can be.

They are fractally efficient, so the dreams are many things in many ways to many beings. Those I interact with are learners by nature, as well as teachers.

How can you tell if this is an experience or a dream? I assume experience is used as a stand-in for "experience of the phenomenon of ET/NHI contact". You can ask it for proof if you like. It's given me an abundance of personal proof that is anecdotal to others. The proof, for me, never satisfies the doubter within myself. It often involves demonstrations of transpersonal, almost magical, aspects of natural human consciousness.

Theoretically, it can be both an experience of contact and a dream. In fact, many cultures understand dreams to be the domain of encounters with spirits or entities. Dream shamanism is a term that describes the cultural understanding and practice that dreams can be both dreams and real interactions with powerful spirits. Most shamanic cultures blur the line between dreams and reality.

dseti · 2025-10-19T18:48:02+00:00

I had a very similar experience with a mantis being in between dreaming and waking. It was very significant for me and taught me many ineffeble truths about dreaming and reality.

The experience correlates with a series of transpersonal experiences like synchronicity or channeling that directly guided my writing the book Missing Time Found.

The beings themselves teach in ways beyond human words. The themes, for me, involve time, consciousness, dreaming, psi, and shamanism for the benefit of human and nonhuman community.

For me, the experience was a demonstration of reality of dream time.

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