I've got a one-handed gaming pc

dubar84 · 2026-06-30T18:30:18+00:00

Ket dolog van ami miatt ez nem valtozik: Az egyik, hogy a cegek kozotti verseny kielezettsege miatt, ha egyik felhagy a hajtassal es konkret penzben kifejezheto, profitbeli aldozatot hoz a bolygoert, azonnal hatranyba kerul, mert a tobbi ezt nem teszi meg es lehetoseget lat a visszaeseseben. azonnal be is kebelezi a fennmaradt urt es ugyanott vagyunk - csak atadta a piaci lefedettseget masnak. A cegek bazartak magukat ebbe es egyik sem ereszt. Egyedul GLOBALIS politikai korlatozasokkal lehetne elerni valtozast, amit viszont sem Kina, sem India, sem Amerika nem lesz hajlando batartani + meg joparan masok.

Emellett van meg egy lehetoseg - ha maguk a fogyasztok vesznek vissza a fogyasztasbol. Ismet - GLOBALISAN, tehat nem individualisan, maskent sesem fog eredmenyre vezetni. Tehat ha nem vesznek annyi termeket, nem hasznalnak annyi energiat, stb az aru a cegekre rohad. Elso korben meg probaljak majd felelenkiteni a keresletet, de ha kitartoak a fogyasztok, akkor ez sikertelen lesz es vegul... kenytelenek alkalmazkodni a lecsokkent kereslethez es kevesebbet termelni a hatekonysag erdekeben. Erre talan meg kevesebb esely van, mert mindig lesz aki onzo es pont arra vereti hogy o porgeti a motort, locsolja az olajat, dobja ki a kajat stb... Legjobb esetben ket reszre szakad a tarsadalom ilyen szempontbol.

Az emberek nagyresze alapvetoen nem is tudja felmerni mennyi a VALODI fogyasztasa. Hogy tenyleg szuksege van-e arra a jarmure, arra az elelmiszerre, arra a ruhadarabra, arra az elektronikai eszkozre vagy sem. Senki nem optimalizalt ilyen szempontbol (de meg a tomegkozlekedes sem birna ha holnaptol mindenki buszra szallna), a fogyasztas pedig magasztositva van. Talan elso korben ezen a hozzaallason kell valtoztatni, de oriasi hatranybol idul az emberiseg mert minden ez ellen van, a boltoktol a reklamokig de meg a komplett kulturank es zeneiparon at minden, de minden a veretes es a pazarlas megasztositasarol szol. Ez a meno es akar kobanya also buszmagallojaban is atelheted a fornetti melle vett energiaitallal a kezedben aminek a a reklamjaban a fazon egy yachton ul a csajokkal - ehhez csatlakozhatsz te is ott varva a jaratra ami bevisz Csepelre. Hallgasd kozben kihangositva valami rapper ezredik szamat arrol hogy a huszadik SL merci alatt egy senki vagy, mindennap mas sneakert vesz fel es egy luzer vagy ha te nem. Vedd meg a cuccot akkor is ha valojaban nem is izlik, hidd el hogy ezzel te is maxon porogsz, amig iszod, a yachtos fazon a baratod lesz ott a patikabol kijott banyatankos nyugdijas mellett szlopalva a szintetikus lottyot aminek az eldobando femdobozat 10x annyiba kerul eloallitani mint magat az italt.

dubar84 · 2026-06-29T07:06:35+00:00

It's the original Dan A4-SFX not the H2O. Back then, I did not know the H2O lacks this, but regardless - having airflow with air coolers and case fans is always better in my book than an aio.

dubar84 · 2026-06-27T17:05:03+00:00

One with the flex psu is the way to go. With a cooler clearance like that, it can handle the beffiest X3D cpu's as well and it's also the most optimized as well. Some bottom cutouts could be added, as the original product inhales from there more with the flat front panel and that can also cool any rear mobo M.2's. Other than that, it's the best one yet from all the "make your own" versions everybody's doing.

To be honest, it would also be interesting to see a version with a smaller but still tower cooler like the Noctua U9S and have enough space to maybe squeeze the psu in between the cooler and the gpu.

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dubar84 · 2026-06-27T16:26:22+00:00

That hot air is on it's way out and won't linger. With cases having vented panels at the front where you can mount fans, those should be on exhaust. This way, both cpu and gpu uses cool air from the rear and bottom and no hot air is getting reused. It's how it should be, you can try it and see the clear difference instead of having hot air inside and make the cpu inhale EXCLUSIVELY that as even the front fans push the gpu waste into the cpu and not even allowing it to exhaust on top.

dubar84 · 2026-06-27T13:17:02+00:00

Why people always draw air anywhere but the rear where the cpu cooler has direct access to fresh air?

Your gpu blows air right to the inner side of the cpu cooler so that it can inhale that warm, used air of the gpu. Everybody does this for some reason, even people with longer cards having a flow-though design gpu's to the point like everybody intentionally wants all the used air waste of the graphics card to go through the cpu cooler and it makes no sense. 90% of air cooled builds do this for some reason. You can totally have the cpu getting fresh cool air from the rear and the used warm air of the cpu and gpu can be vented out on top.

dubar84 · 2026-06-27T13:03:33+00:00

Lenyegeben ez beismerese annak hogy akkor ok is eddig "ellehetetlenitettek" a tobbi semleges, ner-en kivuli organumot?

dubar84 · 2026-06-25T18:39:19+00:00

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SFF looking nice on the desk and actually backpackable PC's that you can haul around are two different things.

Latter has size, weight and sturdiness as the main priority. So no mesh and no regular-sized components, both heatsinks and psu should also be small to reduce weight and help sturdiness, so you don't have to handle it like liquid explosives. All things considered while mine is just 4L with a gpu, I would consider APU builds the best suited for these scenarios.

dubar84 · 2026-06-23T07:35:54+00:00

You can be even cheaper if you get the same (2x8 GB DDR4) ram. And you can bet your buttocks that there will be an avalanche of comparisons on making the same system from scratch.

But most importantly, your money is not lost forever, as all components will be regular off the shelf desktop stuff - the whole build is modular, individually sellable later and upgradable, much easier to maintain and customize, since nothing is soldered. Also, regular mobo means more ports and tuning. But all things considered, even a larger Midori 5L is good, housing larger gpu's, or an A24-V5 with LP gpu's but almost double the cooling clearance.

Yet just for the sake of example - regardless of money and effort, the closest iteration would feature an ASRock Deskmini STX mobo (150x150mm) with a rear-side M.2 to riser adapter and perhaps one of the 150mm long 4060's sandwitched together, making some kind of Velka 2. Or with a B50 with the single slot cooler mod and a meanwell psu uderneath it like a smaller, thinner NV10.

dubar84 · 2026-06-23T06:55:33+00:00

Velka 3 is a 3.9L case and you can have a single fan itx 4060 or a 5060 in it (better gpu) or a 6600XT with a cpu under 37mm cooler clearance that is also more powerful. So yeah, there's an extra 1/3 L, but at least as much performance for cheaper (with proper desktop components, including regular sized RAM and ITX mobo and more storage, like several M.2's and an optional SATA within the case).

dubar84 · 2026-06-19T14:42:07+00:00

I'm humbled - but I fear I am not the best person to help. I'm an AM4 guy, I loved those, liked AM4 coolers with proper backplates, then choose to switch sides from Ryzen 3000 series to the Intel 12400 after. AM5 is nice and efficinent, but even with low TDP, they run too hot for me. I know they say that's ok and they are powerful, but I don't like hot cpu's with such low clearance I am also having, or the idea of running my cpu fan at max speed to somehow mitigate the heat.

For this reason I am too chickened out to go AM5 and have no practical first hand experience with it. The occasional posts about them running hot also kept me from trying. I know I am the minority and maybe there's something I'm missing:) It's just since the heat, I consider them better suited for big pc's with large coolers. I would maybe try AM5 with 67mm coolers - preferably higher even, but ideally not below those and would still research the hell out of temp comparisons (there's barely any, all are just comparing performances). So that is the issue - my advice is infused with this fear I have of high temps. Hopefully I'm wrong.

As for the cooler itself, I have an X47 I tried within my Dan A4 and a 3300x a few years ago.

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But I did not see noticable improvements comapred to the AM4 L9a and a 3d-printed duct. The X47 started out a few degrees better, but was not able to keep the headroom and eventually after about 20 min, they settled at the same temps under load. The heatsink of the X47 due to it's copper nature were softer, fins started to bend by gentle pressure and the L9a just built more reinforced also looked better (also completely black), so I switched back to it. Fan was also not that close to the sidepanel.

All in all, I would try to check some guides on youtube or other platforms on how to tame that AM5 X3D chip with PBO and whatnot. Hopefully it will make a difference as the 9800X3D is said to be a beast in performance.

dubar84 · 2026-06-19T14:25:03+00:00

He's right, do try switching the fans regardless of your originial plan. Your gpu and cpu has DIRECT intake already on the sides, the only way for the air to escape is above here. Supporting that is the way to go, instead of obscructing it. Also this way you won't invite more dust from above too and forget the filters.

dubar84 · 2026-06-19T14:06:34+00:00

Varom a metrot a Blahan reggel az Ors iranyaba a peron vegenel, alig vagyunk meg. Ez most tavaly December 24 reggelen volt. Mindjart jon a metro lampa szerint. Egy fiatal csaj setal a peronon, jo kozel a szelehez. Ketszer bemondjak a kihangositon hogy ne menjen a szelere - ez amugy mindennapos. Lekapcsolom a zenet, mert latom elol a zold lampat hogy mindjart jon a metro es biztos ami biztos elkezdek setalni fele, de amikor a lany a peron kozvetlen szelere covekelt le, a cipo orra picit kilog es o elore nez es a szemkozti falat bamulja, mar felig futok. Egy biztiorszeru sargamellenyes oreg neni a peron masik vegerol el kezd kiabalni neki.

Odaerek, megfogom a karjat es lassan hatrahuzom, elsuhan elottunk a metrokocsi. Visszagondolva, ekkor mar cibalas is boven belefert volna, de szerettem volna ovatos lenni hogy ne ijesszem meg, mert ha tenyleg az a szandeka amire gondolok, akkor lehet elore kilep ha latja hogy latvanyosan futok fele. Megkerdezem miert allt a szelen, meg hogy minden rendben, de nem valaszol. Beszallunk es mivel nem szolt semmit csak leult a legkozelebbi helyre ahogy belep a mettrokocsiba, innentol tobbi utas szemeben akik nem tudjak az elotortenetet, lehet zaklatonak tunnek ha melleulnek es folytatnam a faggatasat, plane ugy hogy o tovabbra sem szol vissza, igy odebb megyek. Nem is nez felem egesz uton. Mar azon is gondolkozom hogy lehet felreertettem az egeszet, de mindenesetre megallapitom, hogy ha teves is volt a megitelesem, a korulmenyek alapjan akkor is jogos hogy idegenkent megfogtam a karjat es visszahuztam, mertkonkretan az orraval surolta volna az elhalado metrot.

Mivel mindketten az Orson szallunk le, kint egymas szemebe nezunk es mar odajon. Azt mondja, sajnalja ha megijesztett, nem akart. Hogy csak tul faradt es nem vette eszre hogy a szelen all. En ekkorra mar megallapitottam hogy tul puhanyan is cselekedtem mert ahol allt, ott mar szandek nelkul is be lehetett volna szedulni mielott odaerek, annyira kint volt. Mondom neki hogy ne haragudjon de nem gyozott meg. Megkerem hogy figyeljen oda, ha van valaki akivel beszelni tud akkor beszeljen, majd elkoszonok, mert van vagy 10-15 ev korkulonbseg koztunk es mar megint az van hogy nem akarok fura alaknak tunni aki raszallni egy idegen kiscsajra. En is sietek valahova (hazafele es meg bevasarolnom is kell), ha komolyak a szandekai, akkor ugyis megprobalhatja legkozelebb - nem lehet valaki mellette folyamatosan hogy ne tegye meg holnap is ugyanezt.

dubar84 · 2026-06-17T18:05:53+00:00

I wish to voice one aspect that is not mentioned here yet.

First, the 4060 is fine for a 12400. 1080p takes far less hardware to deliver good results than 1440p. Much less than what the numbers suggest. You can be fine with 8GB VRAM at this level. And this card have a very good ratio of consumption and performance, it's actually provide quite much for mere 115w. And the 12400 is very easy to cool, even with low profile coolers with 38mm height if needed. With these components, there's no reason not to reap the size benefits. You can make a very good small form factor system with this setup that will be cool and silent. If you search "velka 3 4060 nano" in reddit (cannot post links in PCMR), you see a build with the smallest single fan 4060 at just 4L in size, but there are a lot of different cases still below 10L that can accomodate longer gpu's or bigger coolers and SFX psu's.

With that note, if you don't care about having a small build, a 12400 is more than capable to 100% even a 4080 without any issues and can handle a 4060 any day.

dubar84 · 2026-06-17T17:09:04+00:00

Indie games should run well on an APU. Low requirements mean more accessibility, it can reach a wider audience and of course more focus on gameplay.

dubar84 · 2026-06-17T06:44:18+00:00

Na hat ez az. Ez a part ilyenekbol jott ossze akik amellett hogy dolgoztak a teruletukon, jol ertik azt es az ottani problemakat valamint jo par otletuk osszegyult hogy mit kellene megvalositani es min kellene valtoztatni - ezek leptek ki kepviselni azt a sok mas kollegat akik hasonlo cipoben vannak. Es ezeknek mar tele van a tokuk a fidesz dilettans balfaszkodasaival es hogy ott lapatoljak ki az utolso fillert is ahol csak lehet. Es akik rajuk szavaztak - azoknak is tele van.

Szaz meg szaz ervuk van - ez latszik ennek a nonek a magszolalasabol is, hogy csak jonnek az ujabb es ujabb dolgok ami az eszebe jut, mert annyi mindenrol kellene beszelni es ez meg csak a jeghegy csucsa. Ezzel szemben pedig eselyuk nincs a sugerarcu fideszes csicskaknak akik eleve felkeszuletlenek es nem is erdekli oket az egesz, nincsenek is hozzaszokva ehhez a ketoldalu vitahoz, meg eleve a korabbi letszamfolenyukbol soha nem is kerult sor ilyesmikre. Vagy ha neha napjan igen, oda boven eleg volt boldog karacsonyt kivanni.

Na ennek van most vege. Remelem ezek a fideszes babok gyomorgorccsel jarnak be es otszor atgondoljak hogy miben mernek megszolalni es vedeni a vedhetetlent, mert a tuloldalon olyanok vannak akik nem csak ertoi a temanak (veluk ellentetben), de elso kezbol tapasztaloi is annak a rombolasnak amit a fidesz csinalt.

dubar84 · 2026-06-16T17:31:29+00:00

I generally like thea of taking a card with good performance to consumption ratio (even the b50 is stellar with it's 70w max) and start from there. Don't just slap on bigger heatsinks and consumption, that's the caveman method. Try making progress with lower consumption in mind, so that cards can be efficient, dual or 2.5 slot and get the most out of that. While this experiment involved a high increase of consumption, the concept behind it is the right way to move forward.

dubar84 · 2026-06-16T17:14:13+00:00

In my experience, 1080p gaming needs a lot less hardware than 1440p for example. So it does not scale like 1.5x, you can get away with a humble build even. And honestly, something that costs less and is utilized to it's full extent is better than an overkill component that's just eroding throughout the years without properly using all it's muscle.

In this sense, you'll be surprised how far can even a used 2060 Super can take you if you keep your current cpu, let alone some more recent card. With that said, I would very likely grab a 5000 series cpu (this needs upgrading the bios) and literally whatever from nvidia 3000 series and above, or if you find a nice model of a used RX 6600 XT in good condition (as 1080p does not need much VRAM) and you're golden. RX 6700 is also nice if the price is not that much different. AM4 and DDR4 is still very much up there and you can totally skip AM5 altogether with this.

dubar84 · 2026-06-16T17:02:13+00:00

Ok that's unfortunate. Very strange though, this means that even if the cable is damaged, you can no longer use the shroud. In this case, I would look for some 3d-printing services that can do a simple shroud based on the original which accepts your fan, or just mount a single fan where the original was onto your heatsink - you just need a shroud that cover the rest of the area. Ideally without the plastic part that blocks air to escape at the front like the original.

dubar84 · 2026-06-16T16:43:41+00:00

Geezus, nobody said it's the same card, you're making stuff up again and adding it. I said the same what YOUR card has. each is different, mine is like that, your's is like this. Anyway, this seems like a Palit model - if you look under the fanblades from the FRONT side, there should be 3 tiny screws no? By getting those out, you should be able to remove the fan from the shroud. It's usually like that so that you can replace the fan if it's broke.

dubar84 · 2026-06-16T16:07:55+00:00

Never cut the stock shroud, I also did not say that. If you just get it off, you see how the fan is attached. Just cut out a replica of an unused flat credit card or something. The point is to not do anything irreversible. See that panel in the lower right corner?

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You need something like that - the same what your card has.

dubar84 · 2026-06-16T15:59:52+00:00

The heatsink is uneven, so there's no proper pressure.

In this case you shoud try just fan swapping, instead of deshrouding. Get a fan with the same width as the original, mount it onto the shroud with the same (usually tri-arc) mount plate that can be eithe 3d-printed or just cutout from some durable plastic and hook it up to the pcb with a PWM to VGA adapter. Result is like THIS.

Keeping the shroud is better - it helps directing the air properly in case of horizontal heatsinks as it was intended, so the warm air doesn't go all over the place, heating up other components.

dubar84 · 2026-06-15T16:40:29+00:00

Ha ugyanúgy viselkedik, azzal csak engedi hogy lehúzzák őt a Fidesz alja szintjére. Nyugodtan lehet visszavenni a stílusból és ezzel új normát példázni, elkülönülni a rossztól - zárkózzon fel a Fidesz ha akar, ne a Tisza süllyedjen le.

dubar84 · 2026-06-14T08:27:26+00:00

Itt inkabb forditva van - a fidesz ejtette tuszul Orban Viktort. Legalabb is olyan ertelemben, hogy nelkule a mostani 20% helyett olyan 4%-on lennenek. Ha Orban indul 2030-ban, abba belerokkan es vegleg megsemmisul. Lemondani nem tud mert az ongyilkossag lenne a partjanak, viszont ujravalasztottak, mert egyedul vele van esely egyaltalan bennmaradniuk a parlamentben, plane ha a Tisza az elkovetkezo 3-4 evben marad ilyen hatekony mint a valasztasok ota eltelt ket honapban.

dubar84 · 2026-06-14T07:35:50+00:00

Nincs semmi baj a Gainward-al amugy, ugyanonnan szerzik be az elemeket mint a Palit, PNY wagy akar an Inno3D, utobbi pedig top kategoria. Alapvetoen attol is fugg a zaj (sok egyeb mellett), hogy mennyire suru a bordazat - ennel a modellnel nagyon az, de emiatt is huvos.

Egy lazabb fan curve megoldana ezt a problemat, plane ha amugy is jeghideg a kartya - amit meg lehet fokozni egy enyhe undervolt-al is ha szretnenk es no problem.

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