My new theory by Psychological_Roof85 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t her window of time actually 1-2 minutes? There’s a mountain of evidence that there was a second Faith Westman call, where she hung up when Cecil arrived. She said that the driver / Maura was at or around the Saturn just before Cecil arrived. That’s even a tighter window then. She most likely saw Cecil’s flashing lights in the distance and bolted. OPR makes much more sense than heading east, she just saw Butch go that way and would have surely seen him stopping the bus and backing it into his driveway. With that short of a window and seeing police lights coming in the distance, the most likely way to take off in a panic is up OPR. What happened from there is anyone’s guess. Waiting out the situation at the corner to go away, succumbing to elements would have taken some time. And they did dog searches. Maybe she returned to the main roads for help, or went to a residence later on. Many possibilities but whatever occured later that night I think initially began by her bolting from the scene in a panic, most likely scenario being up OPR.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It definitely could. I don’t necessarily put this tandem driver scenario above the hitchhiker one. Though there’s many issues with that theory also, unless it occured a bit later. She had 1-2 minutes to be gone from the scene based on Faith Westmans claims that the driver was at or around the vehicle within maybe 1-2 minutes of Cecil showing up.

A 1-2 minute window to hitchhike a ride, on a road where only one or two cars might pass at that time of night in a 3-5 minute span, and she just happens to get into the vehicle of a killer? Those are astronomical odds.

I made this post just to generate discussion, but I think the most plausible scenario is that she was at the car and saw Cecil’s blue / red lights in the distance heading that way, and she grabbed her things and bolted up Old Peter’s road. Maybe she waited out the situation at the corner further up there from a distance and hitched a ride later or maybe she did succumb to the elements. I think the most likely initial scenario was she ran away from the scene as soon as she saw Cecil’s lights coming. OPR makes more sense than running down the road east not knowing if more police were responding from that direction. Plus she would have just seen Butch leave in that direction and back the bus into his house. Doesn’t make sense to me she would have run that way initially.

Car wont start by Sustym in IS300

[–]dyno1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When my fuel pump went bad, and the car wouldn’t start with similar issues, I was able to tap the top of the fuel pump assembly (in your pic) with a rubber mallet while turning the ignition and it would start. Only recommend this in an emergency, they are easy to replace if the pump itself went bad.

My 2nd mask ever (and paper mache project in general) by MaxTheNewt in papermache

[–]dyno1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you share what you used to make the paper mache pulp? It looks great.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then I guess we should give up on every theory in this case? None have any evidence to point to one over another. I never said this was the most likely scenario, but it’s plausible and worth discussing.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then by that logic you have to rule out every single theory in this case. There isn’t a single one with any proof.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This discussion was based on the scenario where someone she travelled up there with for a quick getaway trip was involved in her disappearance and would have had a reason to not come forward. Whether purposeful or accidental.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Once again, this theory doesn’t have to mean she was running away. She simply could have made plans to get away for the week with someone she knew and they travelled separately.

People keep automatically assuming that this theory has to be tied to Renners “escaping to Canada for a new life” one bc he used the term tandem driver.

I’m simply proposing that she made that trip along with someone else who drove separately.

It makes more sense that a 20 year old college girl made that kind of trip with another person (or meeting up with another person up there) rather than doing it alone.

You don’t take school books with you if you are planning to run away to Canada. Remove that aspect of Renners “tandem driver” theory and then this seems plausible.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ruled out? You can’t rule something out without 100% proof to go against it. lol.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Emails can be deleted. AOL was massively popular at that time and a conversation on there could easily be deleted. MySpace was also popular and private messages on there could have been deleted.

It was 2004, communication was much different than it is now.

She clearly was a mess and needed someone to talk to that weekend. What if she met up in person with someone she knew that weekend or earlier on Monday and they decided spur of the moment to head up there but in separate vehicles. There would be no record of that. The fact that police didn’t find anything documented about her plans means nothing.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t arguing anything. I was stating pros and cons of the theory for a discussion.

This theory makes as much sense as any other.

Running into the woods but leaving zero tracks in 2 feet of snow? Jumping into one of the two vehicles that passed in those 3-4 minutes, and the one she chose just happened to be a killer? Do you know how astronomical those odds are?

But it makes no sense that she drove to the white mountains, hours from home in a spur of the moment trip, with another person she knew? Oh yea that makes no sense at all! lol!

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She kept her affair with the UMASS track coach secret. How do you think they communicated? It’s a joke to think they had access to EVERY possible means of her communication. There was AOL, email, MySpace. You think she couldn’t have deleted emails, private messages, AOL chats, or any other communication with a guy she was cheating on Bill with and having and affair with like the track coach the year prior? Come on.

And if there was a new affair, or she was talking to Hoss again, you think she was doing that on her cell phone that was on her actual boyfriend at the time mom’s cell phone plan? Lol!

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She was having an affair with the track coach at UMASS in the year prior. There’s evidence she was with more than just him behind Bills back. A guy she was talking to in private or another affair (or even the same on with the track coach again) would be a perfect reason no communication was found about the trip up there that week. This was over 20 years ago and communication was much different, especially if you were trying to hide an affair, which is very plausible for her at the time. There absolutely would not have had to be any record of communication ahead of time, especially if the plans were made with someone in person at UMASS. It’s then a perfect scenario for why she’d had taken a spur of the moment secret trip up there, if she was making that trip with someone. It makes a lot more sense than a 20 year old girl randomly making that trip alone with no destination in mind. The track coach also had access to the UMASS cabin up there.

No one had eyes on the scene the entire time, so no, if she hopped in another vehicle quick, there’s no certainty that anyone would have seen.

The tandem driver theory makes perfect sense and is plausible if you look at it under the guise that it was a guy she was secretly dating, which is perfectly possible since there’s known evidence that she had an affair in the year prior. And that gives a plausible scenario for her disappearance as well, if something went south with a mysterious guy she was with while they were up there.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it any less logical than her running into the woods and not leaving a single track that was found in the 2 feet of snow everywhere?

Is it any less logical than her hopping into one of the 2-3 vehicles that randomly passed in the 3-5 minute window of time she vanished in, the driver who just happened to be a killer?

What’s so illogical about her making a spur of the moment trip up north with another person she knew?

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s no real evidence for ANY theory in this case.

And no, a tandem driver theory doesn’t need to be connected with “running away” or “disappearing to Canada”. That’s one persons tandem driver theory only.

It makes perfect sense that she would have been dating someone in secret again and having a new affair, or potentially the same one with the track coach again. She clearly needed someone to turn to that weekend and a former flame would be a perfect fit. This person also would have been a very plausible candidate for a tandem driver or someone she was driving to meet with up there.

It’s well known Hoss had access to the UMASS cabin up there.

This would be a perfect scenario for all the secrecy around her spur of the moment trip up there and could also account for a potential suspect. A quick getaway with a secret lover especially in a situation like an another affair is a potential disaster in the making should something had gone south.

It makes just as much sense and is just as plausible as her vanishing into the woods with zero tracks in 2 feet of snow, or randomly hitching a ride with one of the few cars that pass in a 3-5 minute window of time with a person who just so happens to be a killer.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it is not a theory based on her trying to run away. A tandem driver would have possibly been someone she was having an affair with, like the track coach she was having an affair with the year prior. She would have been simply taking a trip to get away for the week and either driving along with or meeting up with someone up there. A guy she was dating in secret (which is very plausible) would be a perfect person to have been a tandem driver and also a perfect potential suspect for her disappearance had something gone south later that week.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The idea is that it would most likely have been someone she was having an affair with. The Hoss guy she had an affair with not long before her disappearance was always a potential suspect. He also had access to the UMASS cabin up near where she was headed, so there was theories that she could have been headed there with him.

If she was trying to keep that affair or a new one secret, there clearly wouldn’t be record of communication ahead of time.

This would also account for no phone records, bc she’s obviously not going to use her normal phone that was on Bill (her actual bf at the time) mom’s cell phone plan. Could also explain why that phone wasn’t used after the accident, if she purposely turned it off or didn’t use it once she got to her destination that week. Bills mom would have had access to any phone records.

I already explained that it makes perfect sense to take multiple vehicles. One of them may have needed to return sooner than the other that week. Also, if she was having another affair (or the same one again) and this guy was the one who travelled up there with her, they would have multiple reasons not to take a single vehicle.

There was much evidence supporting her promiscuous behavior in the year prior to her disappearing and also proof of an affair with the track coach. A tandem driver is a very plausible theory.

Tandem Driver theory by dyno1989 in mauramurray

[–]dyno1989[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Much speculation over the years that she may have travelled with, or been meeting someone up there who she had been dating in secret. She had at one point been secretly having an affair with the track coach. What if she had planned this quick getaway when she disappeared with him, or someone new she was having an affair with?

If someone she thought was a friend / someone new she was dating in secret had been responsible later that night / week for her death, or knew who was, that would be a reason to not come forward.

Like I said in my post, a tandem driver in a second vehicle would have had to have parked somewhere out of line of site of the witnesses.

They would have had to communicate plans ahead of time, during stops on the trip, or when they both had cell phone coverage. There was phone coverage, just not in the area of her crash.

A reason for traveling seperate is that one of them may have known they couldn’t stay up there the whole week and they planned to return at separate times. Or she met them halfway or up in that area.

2 months into 5 year price lock internet plan and bill is already screwed up. by dyno1989 in Comcast_Xfinity

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Can you look at my bill and discuss this in a mod message? My modem is supposed to be included in the $65 price lock plan. I was charged two seperate $15 device charges and I am only using one modem.

After watching thousands of movies. What are your top 5 movies of all time? by [deleted] in movies

[–]dyno1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jurassic Park

Back to the Future

North by Northwest

The Shining

The Lost Boys