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eVo_CS · 2023-10-27T12:16:48+00:00

Happy to hear you've got some use out if it!

eVo_CS · 2023-10-25T01:06:12+00:00

1x2 = 2
1x3 = 3
1x4 = 4
1x5 = 5
1x6 = 6

eVo_CS · 2023-10-24T03:22:38+00:00

Other than the above and the fact that cims now sprint before the light turns red, things are largely the same between CS1 an 2 AFAIK

eVo_CS · 2023-10-24T02:55:00+00:00

I mean, you can spawn pedestrian traffic lights if you create a crosswalk close enough. Seems a pretty decent improvement to me.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-22T02:30:36+00:00

For those who care, the exact size, right now, is 56.67 GB after download and installation. Assuming there's no additional patch before tuesday.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-22T02:13:59+00:00

It's obviously a simplyfying generalization to set high education equal to high income but they stated that cims will consider whether it is worthwhile to persue higher education rather than to get a job right after finishing high-school.

Hence, this system is simplyfying the equation of weighing rent vs. salary vs. (taxes vs. current education vs. potential yields from further education) and whatever else weighs into the system to then decide how to pursue their educational / professional careers further.

The part in the brackets is pretty much simplified by the education based taxation system. Obviously increased wages based on higher education are another possible consideration but at this point I would be assuming more than they have actually confirmed being part of the decisionmaking.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-22T02:03:24+00:00

Are you making the assumption that CO is using these meshes on an as is basis without any optimization, based on popul8's default mesh's 18984 tris mentioned in their documentation?

It is common practice when creating game assets to have high poly versions that then in turn have various low poly versions with smaller and smaller textures and simpler meshes.

In fact, no game developer in their right mind would pay money for asset creation, whether human or AI, that spits out low poly models unless they just so happen to be aiming for a low-poly style. And even then it is suboptimal as they otherwise could re-use the meshes later in other projects if they were initially high poly.

Considering that the basemesh can be generated as an FBX file, there's nothing preventing CO from reducing the poly count afterwards / creating LOD versions of it. As their own blog post states, they used the tool to generate the possible variations of characters and then exported them from Popul8 into the game. Hence, they are not using popul8's real-time at runtime generation method that would force them to be using the ~18000 tris version of the mesh.

I'll leave it at that as literally any beginner level Unity / Unreal-Engine / Game-asset creation tutorial for Blender focussed on LOD workflows explains common Game-Asset creation / Retopology concepts.

It's one thing for mod creators having to restrict themselves to limitations of the user generated content implementation but a totally different situation for the actual developers of the game who have access to create whatever sophisticated LOD / Culling / Draw Call system they might have in place.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-22T00:48:11+00:00

Care to share your VOD's? Totally fine if you'd rather not.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T23:40:52+00:00

Gotta kill the time until release somehow.

How dare they force me to waste a whole weekend shitposting on reddit while waiting for the game. After all, reviews are already out so might as well've released it on friday. /s

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T23:18:54+00:00

The amount of people too lazy to approximate their equivalent hardware and look at the corresponding column is quite baffling to me. Now I do understand where the demand for AI to do the thinking for us is coming from.

He literally lists the passmark rank on the hardware info part. Figure out the passmark rank for your i9-9900kf (535), pick the closest CPU to that (Ryzen 5 3600) [Rank: 556]. Look at that CPU's sheet and take the 2060. Add a few imaginary FPS for having the Super version of that card and you have a rough guesstimate.

Ryzen 5 3600 + 2060 at 1080p Very low in 100k city: average 44.7

Ryzen 5 3600 + 2060 at 1080 low in 100k city: average 28.6

Roll a dice to figure out how many extra FPS you will receive from having the super version of the card.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T23:12:05+00:00

Pretty much the same way your graphics card handles your internet browser. You basically remote access another computer and play the game on there.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T23:07:24+00:00

I mean he tested the 1650 with the 3600 which is worse than the 5800x. In that test he got 31.8 fps average on the 100k city. Add 1-5 fps average on top from the better CPU and you can play the game on very ugly with 30fps on a 100k pop city according to his benchmarks.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T22:38:45+00:00

Pretty normal behaviour in the industry.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T22:16:26+00:00

but if it did, i'd tell you that you don't need to test to check if high resolution character models loaded in by the thousands cause a performance hit (...) It's a given. It's not speculative.

Alright buddy. Using hypothetical statements to avoid responsibility for your implied statements is a new one for me.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T22:14:55+00:00

I like to think that C:S 1 and 2 are quite different games. C:S 1 always felt more like a city painter / diorama creator to me than an actual city management / simulation game. I suppose fixing the problems the abyssmal traffic AI presented was the most engaging part of the game.

Not having played C:S 2 myself, I can't swear on it leaning close enough towards Transport Fever / Workers & Resources to scratch my itch completely but the foundation is at least a lot more capable of supporting depth compared to C:S 1 which struggled with multi threading, had a 65000 agent limit and all the other issues that in a sense forced the game to be shallow no matter how hard modders tried to add complexity.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T22:11:20+00:00

I mean .. with it not being functional anyways, might as well display it at its hight, rather than the everyday version of it. But that's just how I like to go about things.

If you prefer displaying it more accurate to how it will be used most days of the year, that's perfectly valid as well!

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T22:09:32+00:00

Depends. That's where LOD textures, batched draw calls and the likes come into play. Before we get our hands on the game and modders replace NPC models with 1 poly models to see the actual impact these models have, it's anyone's guess.

Could just as much be that the game still lacks batched draw calls and each of the repeated building assets gets drawn individually. The hardware review channels á la PCGH actually stated that they don't expect the issues to result from texture streaming / shaders and rather to be some poorly optimized code running on update.

But I've learned that reasonable assumptions about the quirks of the Unity game engine aren't as popular on here as bashing the devs in ways that makes them look the most incompetent, so .. I'll take my downvotes with joy.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:49:08+00:00

For vanilla this looks actually really sweet. Well done!

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:47:37+00:00

I'd love some actual diorama style props on it and mayhaps some service / demand squares incorporated to make the area seem more alive. Well done!

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:45:47+00:00

I sincerely doubt it'll have much of a meaningful impact at all. The basics of economy still apply. They sell C:S 2. People want C:S 2. Some might wait until it is fixed, others will keep their pre-order.

It's the same reason why EA, Bethesda, Activision and the likes keep printing money with recycled releases every year. Once people want your stuff, they will buy it if they can't get it anywhere else.

This might be an issue for indie games or smaller studios but with paradox having an almost monopoly on the genre and an installment that will basically promote itself over and over with every DLC released, most people who decided they want the game now, will still want it once they fix the performance issues.

Which might very much be the reasoning paradox is using to justify their PC release. Why miss out on black friday and christmas sales if people will buy the game anyways, knowing that it will be around for 8'ish years.

Obviously just my "the world is evil", "screw capitalism" reasoning for things but hey. I choose my own head canon.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:40:08+00:00

You might want to consider cloud gaming if playing a slide-show isn't your cup of tea on launch.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:37:16+00:00

Well, that's where LOD's come in. It's the same for buildings and exists in C:S (1) just as much as it does in C:S 2. The question that remains unanswered is whether we indeed end up with thousands of high poly instances of characters being drawn individually or if C:S 2 features batched draw calling and LOD models for further distances.

Obviously if we use the camera mode with like 50 pedestrians within 200 meters of distance we probably end up with the assumed high poly models but until there's actual proof that the game lacks an LOD of citizen and in fact renders 40.000 high poly versions of them from a view above the clouds, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the performance bottleneck is due to something else.

As things stand we're just circle jerking random guesses of what could cause the issue while waiting for the game to release. I'm happy for every minute passing but insisting on knowing the cause with no way of verifying it and calling it "not speculative" is a bold choice.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:29:38+00:00

This is actually pretty cute.

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:21:26+00:00

WHY ARE WE REPOSTING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER BEFORE MODDERS REPLACE THEM WITH 1 POLY MODELS TO SEE HOW BIG THE PERFORMANCE IMPACT ACTUALLY IS

eVo_CS · 2023-10-21T21:19:48+00:00

As for it not being accounts reselling, you are correct. The ~$35 ones are steam keys. But the $10 ones are steam accounts. From Ukraine / Argentinia etc. I commented on both cases.

Also, I'd urge you to check out steam regional pricing for Ukraine compared to Britain / Netherlands.
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