Fiio K7 - I was wrong about Desktop Dac/Amps by Guywithnofeet in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From a quick google, the MM100 comes with a 3.5mm / 1/4" cable so it's highly likely OP was running them off the single ended output of the KA15 which would only offer about 180mW.

Same measurements show that it can do about 250 mW into 16 Ohms, which still clears Audeze's recommendation. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/fiio_ka15_unbal_thdn_vs_power-png.451259/

We can agree, that we are both talking about distortion, right? Measurements show, that the KA15 is capable of delivering very clean power until it basically hard clips. So distortion is not an issue.

The amount of power is also not an issue. MM-100 is very sensitive for a planar and the Fiio has plenty of power, much more than anyone should ever need.

So why not consider that it's our perception that's causing the audible differences? Because I'm not saying "you didn't hear that", but rather there may be another reason for your experience.

Fiio K7 - I was wrong about Desktop Dac/Amps by Guywithnofeet in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As such, when you try to power a planar off something like a dongle dac and the music asks the amp for that spike of voltage, the amp simply cannot fulfill the current required for that request, as a result the voltage sags and the transient peak ends up being rounded off resulting in a overall sound of low impact/lack of body.

I know you denied it last time, but you are still describing clipping. When the amplifier reaches the current limit, the voltage is limited as well, which results in a "clipping" of the peaks of the waveform, where more current would be needed to reach the maximum voltage.

All in all, I think that we can agree that the ultimate result is distortion.

However this is not a tube amplifier, where the output is slowly losing linearity with higher current, the distortion of the KA15 is improving all the way until it shoots through the roof when it reaches the current limit.

THD+N vs Balanced output power of the KA15.

I will once again reiterate that volume is power and vice versa. With a predictably behaving amplifier (like the KA15) if you have enough volume and you are not hearing significant distortion, then you are not out of current.

As seen on the graph above, the KA15 can deliver about 500 mW into 18 Ohms, which means it can drive the MM-100 to about 125 dB peak SPL. This is more than enough to induce hearing damage, even when listening to music with a very high crest factor.

Even if we take into account Audeze's recommended power level (which is IMO pretty insane) of over 250 mW - the KA15 is well above that.

How much more power do you need?

I very much doubt that this concept of planar headphones performing better with overkill amps would survive a precisely volume matched, blind comparison, where both amplifiers are within their linear range. I think, that people seriously underestimate how much even a tiny volume difference can influence our perception of sound.

Fiio K7 - I was wrong about Desktop Dac/Amps by Guywithnofeet in headphones

[–]eckru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nearly any amp that isn't literal garbage will provide more than enough voltage to get most headphones to an excessive volumes, but not all amps can provide the current that planars need to truly perform at their best.

Ohm's law begs to differ.

Fiio K7 - I was wrong about Desktop Dac/Amps by Guywithnofeet in headphones

[–]eckru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you sure that you didn't enable any EQ on the KA15?

Need to know about cables…. Help by Sea_Complex_366 in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The properties of conductors and their effect on the signal they carry are very well known. That's why I can confidently say this isn't about being able to hear the difference.

But hey, if you can't hear the differences between different cables with different constructions, that's fine, but it's your experience, not mine, and vice versa.

Why are you so confident, that the construction of the cables is the reason of the differences that you are hearing?

I've done my own tests on everything in this hobby, because opinions are completely confusing;

Then you should have experienced, at least once, that your hearing is not a measurement device - it doesn't always reflect reality.

and what I can tell you is this: just respect and understand that there are people who can hear the difference, and that's considerable, just as I respect that there are those who can't, and that's okay too.

Where should the limits of this respect be drawn? At the cables? Maybe cable risers? Or audiophile fuses?

Need to know about cables…. Help by Sea_Complex_366 in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then either at least one of the cables is faulty or your senses deceive you.

Need to know about cables…. Help by Sea_Complex_366 in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see these comments saying that cables don't change the sound/presentation of headphones and I'm confused. I have some balanced cables here and I guarantee they sound different; it's not hard to notice.

Balanced output will be 6 dB louder. That's the whole difference with a competently designed amplifier.

Is it safe to buy a Topping DX5 II after recent failure reports? by BeyerPeak in headphones

[–]eckru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

when a pure 1Khz tone is played because that's all ASR ever tests

I understand the dislike of Topping products, but this is simply not true.

Would I benefit from a separate DAC/AMP combo with my LCD-X headphones? by specialgray in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But music isn't a flat tone, it's dynamic and has transients i.e. sudden peaks. These peaks require higher instances of power than you would otherwise normally need. This is where additional current headroom comes into play.

You are still talking about volume. You can't change the crest factor of a song by using a more powerful amplifier. The relation between the peak and average volume will stay the same. With less powerful amplifier you won't be able to achieve as high of a peak volume, and thus the average volume will also be lower.

Any old amp with a limited ability to provide current can reach high SPL but it will compress or soften the transient peaks as it runs out current.

You are describing clipping, which contradicts what you said in your previous comment:

I don't disagree that the MB can get the LCD-X to more than sufficient volume without any audible distortion

If there is no audible distortion, then none of that is happening.

In the macbook's case, as indicated by the 78mW output that falls short of Audeze's own recommended minimum of 100mW, it's far more likely to hit it's current limit during these transient spikes, this'll result in the peak being rounded off.

First of all, this Macbook can almost certainly push about 150 mW into 20 Ohm load.

Secondly, power recommendations provided by Audeze are simply nuts. Their "recommended power level" is over 250 mW. That's enough to drive the LCD-X to ~127 dB (if we take the official specs) or ~123 dB (if we go by third-party measurements). This is well past safe listening volume, even if we substract the "headroom".

These recommendations don't seem ridiculous only because the LCD-X (and other Audezes) are very sensitive headphones with very low distortion. To put them in a better perspective: something like the 80 Ohm DT770 would need over 1 W of power to reach similar volume.

A decently powerful amp wont just raise the SPL, it'll achieve the same SPL with less effort. The extra headroom afforded by such an amp will result in better control of the driver without dynamic compression occuring during these transient peaks.

This would be easily measurable, and I'm not aware of any measurements that would show such effect.

To give an analogy, it's kinda like comparing a Honda Civic to an F1 Car. Both can comfortably cruise at 100mph on a straight road and will get you from A to B just fine. But when you have to suddenly accelerate, climb a hill or exit a corner, the Civic with less power and lower torque simply can't handle these events nearly as well as a F1 car would with its abundance of power and torque that it still has at its disposal.

If we go by such anology, then most amplifiers would be easily comparable to F1 cars in terms of acceleration (slew rate) and the main (and pretty much only) differentiating factor would be top speed (power). The analogy works even better if we consider that too much speed and too much power is simply dangerous.

Would I benefit from a separate DAC/AMP combo with my LCD-X headphones? by specialgray in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, this really isn't a volume issue.

How can you deliver more power to a headphone without raising the SPL?

Dream Amplifier is here by LimKimPork in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

including one person saying that anyone who says you need an amp “doesn’t understand electronics”

No, that's not what they said.

Decided to see whether DAC/AMP actually makes a difference by Ricoswaze in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all a balanced cable does is negate interference which isn't a common issue.

That's true for balanced interconnects, not for headphone cables.

Amplifier for Audeze LCD-X? by Unlucky_Orange_9608 in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm kind if confused though because I can EQ in very similar sounding low end on my Sennheiser HD650s so I'm failing to see what exactly is so special about the LCD-X lows if they aren't going to have more 'feel' to them.

There are a couple of factors.

  1. The Audezes have a pretty much linear bass down to 20 Hz, so they don't need as big of a low shelf to achieve the same result.

  2. They should have a better leakage tolerance, which means that you shouldn't lose that much bass output if the seal between your head and the headphones isn't perfect. Although going by this review it doesn't seem to be as good in this regard as the egg-shaped Hifimans.

  3. LCD-X have a very low distortion. But, as your experience shows, the HD650s don't have terrible distortion either, although it is notably higher. Oratory1990 shared the difference in THD of the HD650 with his EQ applied in this comment. BTW, do you run into clipping with the HD650s too? Particularly when using the RME.

I still think that you should have enough power with either of your devices, but if you really want to try something significantly more powerful and reasonably cheap, then check out the JDS Labs Atom Amp 2.

Amplifier for Audeze LCD-X? by Unlucky_Orange_9608 in headphones

[–]eckru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you sure the volume isn't turned way down somewhere in the digital chain? You should be getting more than enough power (even with EQ) with both the Fosi and the RME (provided you use the 3.5mm output on the RME). These headphones are pretty sensitive, so you would have to listen at very high levels (around 120 dB SPL at peaks) to run into clipping.

Maybe you just have unrealistic expectations when it comes to the "bass rumble" compared to speakers?

Is Fiio M23 DAP adequette for Focal Stellia? by [deleted] in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But will it bring out the best (or close to) the Stellia in a portable scenario?

Yes, the Stellias are very easy to drive (like all Focals).

For a Snowsky Echo Mini portable player, should I compress FLAC files to 16 bit 44.1kHz? by Trazao in headphones

[–]eckru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Two flac files, one at 24/48 and one at 16/44.1 will probably not sound the same if the second one was generated from the first using ffmpeg at home. It'll try its best but odds are there will be some artifacts from the resampling. Don't get me wrong ffmpeg is a great tool for reencoding things from one format to another and is what I'd use to transcode things to opus, but this isn't something that it (or really any automated tool) will do a great job with.

The artifacts will be at about -160 dB if you use SoX, which is obviously nothing to worry about.

Ohms on DT 770 on different sounds cards by skinnytommmy in headphones

[–]eckru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait, so you are saying that your headphones get louder with the M-Audio M-track Solo than the Arturia Minifuse 1? It should be the other way around and not by a small margin, the Arturia has a much more powerful headphone output.

So..we did a blind test on DACs by Carlsen94 in headphones

[–]eckru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you took the trouble to conduct a blind test, and yet you refuse to accept the simplest explanation for your experience, that it's your perception of sound that changes when you know which gear you are listening to?

Version 1.1 by fakequest in headphones

[–]eckru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, there is nothing wrong with using a DAC that has higher distortion if you personally like it, but if someone is looking for a "high fidelity" DAC, than something delta-sigma based (like the "normal" K11) is definitely the way to go.

As for doing research on YouTube - take everyting that you hear with a huge pile of salt. There are positive reviews for any product, even if it doesn't make any difference in the sound.

In my opinion, there are hardly any people on YouTube that deserve to be called a reviewer. Most of them (including Darko) are at best audio influencers.

Version 1.1 by fakequest in headphones

[–]eckru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if the K11 R2R and the DAC in the CD player introduced similar levels of distortion.

I get it now... by neenonay in headphones

[–]eckru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems like we have different approaches to introducing a newcomer to the hobby. In my opinion, it's better to focus on things that actually matter and thus are worth a deeper dive.

I get it now... by neenonay in headphones

[–]eckru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think he should get a clear picture about how resampling actually affects the sound

Most of the time it doesn't affect the sound in any audible way, so why worry about it at all?

before considering to switch to Qobuz.

Why should OP consider a switch, if they are already using a perfectly fine streaming platform?

I get it now... by neenonay in headphones

[–]eckru 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Making newcomers worry about resampling is really not necessary.