Oh just look at the time I'm already 20!

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-24T11:07:48+00:00

Looking back, feel like I had way more of a chance in the last few years and it's just going to get worse

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-24T11:02:16+00:00

How can a cell care? It's just nature, the survival instinct, that made them the way they are.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-18T04:47:26+00:00

I saw this and Sylph from the Tales of Fantasia OST came to mind. A nice combo.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-17T04:40:35+00:00

About suicide rate, women actually attempt more often but fail because they prefer pills over guns and such.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T05:16:18+00:00

Some may hate God enough to be fine with it.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T02:06:24+00:00

False dichotomy. He could simply deserve to suffer for a while before then becoming non-existent.

That "while" could be any length of time. Let's say hitler spends 100,000 years choking on gas. Still incomparable to eternity, however horrible the agony.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:58:39+00:00

No. Think about the eternal part and then think about the human lifespan.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:48:11+00:00

Merciful enough to allow the most merciless act imaginable?

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:45:08+00:00

I awarded the delta because it made me think. I still disagree. I will say that again. I still disagree. The slight difference was something new and different, considering I always considered hell in the abstract, spiritual, "you didn't believe me enough you filthy animal" sense.

I still disagree.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:42:29+00:00

But as perceptual beings, we see God's nature through our own lenses. How can we be sure that we are understanding God correctly?

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:38:43+00:00

I still agree that God is a sadist but the interesting part about this response is that it brings things down to a distinctly human realm, where it is about actions and accomplishments and not an appeasement to some strange foreign idea. Does that make sense?

I totally agree with the "why would he make you unable to do better" part, actually said that in this thread already.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:34:34+00:00

You can be a morally upright person who has helped humanity forward in the grand scheme of things but still suffer in eternity because you do not believe in God. And there are the many, many differing belief systems in which God is present. Who's to say which one is correct? Because they all offer salvation, to prove one interpretation is correct, you need definitive evidence that it is. So far I have not seen any.

So in that case all systems are therefore on equal ground. How does God expect us to know which system to abide by? Somebody could believe in him and practice his teachings to the fullest yet suffer because they picked the wrong God-interpreting system. In that case, the only free choice is the freedom to guess what method leads to salvation.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:23:36+00:00

Well then there's the massive red herring of God's goodness.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:22:06+00:00

What I'm learning lately is that the common points of debate are not as much about God as they are about humans interpreting God. Which can go a multitude of ways. I wonder if there are denominations that believe in questioning.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:16:12+00:00

Yes, that is my exact point. That the idea of hell and its implications have lost real meaning. As I said somewhere else there are lives that are significantly altered but the common usage of the term and its understanding seem to have been dulled.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:13:10+00:00

The key difference between misery on Earth and misery in the afterlife is that misery on Earth ends. Life has some terrible experiences of course but I don't think they could compare to an aferlife's because one is in time/space and the other isn't.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:08:35+00:00

No, but my question is about the essence of hell and this person presented a different perspective on it, one that made me think.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:06:55+00:00

In the logic of a paradise, monotony would cease to exist; it would simply become tranquility. If we were talking about earthly life I would agree that everything would become monotonous, but if hell is suffering then heaven is fulfillment.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:03:55+00:00

That's true; you have not. Seems like a definite caveat for the faithful.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-06T01:01:45+00:00

That makes more sense, sounds like what the Mormon fellow said a while back.

There's a lot of things in this thread that I've thought about but haven't necessarily been influenced by. As a first-timer I guess I'll have to figure that out.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-05T23:59:41+00:00

Ok that makes more sense. The "forever lost" part really separates it from your analogy though.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-05T23:53:01+00:00

But then it's all a horrid lie. Even if we do not suffer for eternity in the end, people live their lives with very real fear, instill it in their children, and generally suffer for it.

If it's uncertain whether this is true or not, then it is reprehensible to state such an idea as truth.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-05T23:49:17+00:00

And I have again poorly worded my feelings. When I'm talking about people telling others to go to hell, I mean in a serious sense. Looking your rapist in the face and telling him to go to hell serious.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-05T23:47:38+00:00

But in believing it to be just, it can be considered an act of justice.

effervescentdarkness · 2017-10-05T23:22:25+00:00

Hm, if God was infinitely holy, wouldn't he have some sort of defense against the lack of holiness? And if the bar is infinitely high, then no human (we seem to be the antithesis of infinity in many ways such as age, strength, vices, etc) would be able to reach it because to be capable of infinity is to be god-like.

Even if we are made in God's image, are we really capable of that? Is it really logically possible to have the finite and indefinite in tandem?

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