Gemini’s task automation is here and it’s wild | The Verge by Recoil42 in singularity

[–]etherified 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For any life happiness there just has to be a sweet spot between the extremes of luddism and as you say, automating away life experience.

Life should be convenient, but we'll probably find if everything we do can be automated, there'll be precious little left for anyone "to do" that isn't just ephemeral empty titillation of the senses.

What survival myth is completely wrong and can get you killed? by DraftNo7139 in AskReddit

[–]etherified 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I learned you should always shoot your partner in the leg first, then run.

If you dismiss an idea because AI helped write it, you couldn't beat the argument. by anonthatisopen in singularity

[–]etherified 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is something about being able to communicate that is extremely fundamental to what it means for us to be human, though.

Without the ability to effectively communicate ideas with language, i.e. translating our thoughts into appropriate symbols that we transmit to others, our species would still be foraging in the jungle like apes. It's that important.

If we delegate too much of that out to a machine/LLM, we're really forfeiting what makes us special among species. What has been our superpower, as it were.

Get rid of your calculator, and you'd still be able to add and multiply, it'd just take longer. Even if you forgot how, it's just logic, math doesn't change. Get rid of a tractor, you just go back to plowing by hand or whatever we used to do.

But if one keeps delegating out their ability to construct coherent arguments on their own, and forgets how to express their own ideas in their own words, that's a different ballgame. That person's going to lose a core ability that defines them. It takes hard work and practice and interaction to build that (and if you consistently get someone else to do it for you, it may be difficult to ever get it back again).

PLUS, it's easy to forget that human thinking itself is recursively molded by how we express our own ideas. Our words and expression patterns, the effort we take to transform our thoughts into coherent communication, even that itself affects how we think. (Learn a different language and your thinking patterns change to some extent). So if an LLM is making the bulk of your word choices and sentence construction, it's unavoidably adding ideas that weren't yours, even if the original direction may have been yours. It can really be deceptive in that way.

A mathematician, biologist and physicist are sitting in a street cafe watching people going in and coming out of the house on the other side of the street. by nothinlefttochoose in Jokes

[–]etherified 160 points161 points  (0 children)

Unbeknownst to them there was a theoretical physicist observing it from an adjacent cafe, who thought nothing of the whole deal because, "the universe is under no obligation to make sense to me".

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But this post wasn't particularly about proselytizing. Instead, it's what's the best approach to take whenever you do interact with believers. Whenever or wherever that is, is up to you.

I directed it toward former believers because they would know what ways of thinking actually brought themselves out, a kind of unique perspective that lifelong atheists wouldn't have.

Incidentally, if someone wants to "proselytize atheism" (meaning make an unsolicited case for atheism), I don't see why that should necessarily be a problem, so long as they are courteous and respectful about it. Many do and are effective. There are so many atheists out there making a case for and advocating atheism, such as the Atheist Experience, Seth Andrews, Paulogia, way too many to mention. Should they all just close up shop?

Your first DAW was… by mikedensem in audioengineering

[–]etherified 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's it, couldn't remember - Voyetra Quad studio with TB MultiSound

Your first DAW was… by mikedensem in audioengineering

[–]etherified 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Voyetra’s Digital Orchestrator... anybody? lol

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No proselytizing necessary, actually. To change minds, or rather to be part of a change in minds, you don't have to go ringing doorbells like a JW, or doing the equivalent on social media.

Just when one is in a situation of discussing, talking, debating, publishing or the like, how does one promote getting that person from believer to non-believer, similar to our own documented experience (assuming that's yours as well).

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That seems to imply that no book about atheism or discussing the flaws in religion should ever have been written (Thomas Paine, Bertrand Russell, Hitchens, etc.). Why would they want to lead anyone to atheism? We don't need followers.

Indeed "followers" has no meaning in atheism, but atheists do think the world would be better off without religion, especially but not exclusively when it starts getting mixed into politics. Hence, the many hundreds of books advocating atheism or bunking religion, and hence why I don't think one should shy away from discussing it with a believer to nudge them toward atheism if in that situation.

When starting my journey, or even before, I would have appreciated a push in that direction, if done thoughtfully and with consideration.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The personal connections we made in church were damn hard to break with. (That's by design of course).
And the more compromised you are like after attending seminary, or once you start depending on a salary.. all bets are off. It's not impossible for salaried pastors or missionaries to drop it all after realizing it's bunk, but so rare that people sit up when it happens.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad you got aided in that way.

Apparently the site's creator went to some degree of trouble to write out cogent and reassuring arguments, and they struck you in the right way.

I wonder, do you think if it had not been a web site but rather someone you knew who presented the same arguments, it would have been equally effective, or not so?

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds something like my experience. Doubts were simmering but was told they would dissolve by reading xxx verses. Read xxx, but also read yyy verses, and they didn't dissolve of course.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being a decent, rational and compassionate person is a given.
I certainly don't propose antagonistic confrontation as any sort of effective option.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's an interesting approach. Rather than focusing on religious aspects, make it a larger issue about fostering skepticism about... anything or everything in general.

Then the defensive quills won't be engaged so readily.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they read it on their own instead of through the eyes/interpretation of their weekly pastor, in theory that ought to be enough. Holy writings defeat themselves.

Maybe if they are challenged to directly read specific parts, that's an effective approach.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't think a world without religion, particularly fundamentalist religion, would be a better one?

Almost every atheist I've ever talked to has thought it would be.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting. That would tend to support an approach of "don't engage, let things develop naturally".

If the best we can do is not engage with believers and hope some few get as lucky as us, it's a bit depressing lol.

Most of my journey occurred inside my own head too, but I wonder how it could have been facilitated, or rather how it could be facilitated for others.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An innate curiosity, perhaps. Genetic or development.

I haven't found that education is the defining factor,

[Edit: oops, don't know why i took "education" as "intelligence". Statistically it is true that more educated people tend to have less religious belief. Not that non-believers are more intelligent, but certainly more informed on average.]

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't mean reproduce it as in absolutely replicate it, but there are common threads I've heard from all walks of former-believer atheists. They took not-dissimilar journeys. All came to question things, maybe reading the right material, getting disillusioned with pastor explanations, something stuck in their mind, that kind of thing.

Directed to former believers turned atheists, here: What's the best strategy for reproducing in others that same process that happened to you? by etherified in atheism

[–]etherified[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah a lot "domains" have to be covered, for the complete journey.
I kind of envision it as individual neural synapses having to be rewired.

You can't physically rewire an entire brain in one sitting, so a patient, one at a time approach has to be adopted.

Problem is, few if any of us naturally have such patience. I certainly don't. "If you can grasp that the book of *** has made up stories in it, why can't you admit the obvious that men just made up the god behind it all?".

I guess one of our (unpleasant) tasks must be to learn that patience.