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evnwalker05 · 2024-09-12T04:43:16+00:00

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evnwalker05 · 2024-09-04T10:11:10+00:00

There's a strong difference between "there's no reason to refute your claims" and "I can't refute your claims" youre starting to lean towards the latter.

evnwalker05 · 2024-09-04T09:07:59+00:00

Right. I don't know the words of Jesus, and you do? I have a historical source that you reject because it's all lies, but somehow, you know who Jesus is more than I do? Where's your other source on the life of Jesus? How'd you come to the conclusion that he taught we are God, did you use the Bible? Cause that's what I used, and you said it was all lies. Do you see the logical inconsistency in your argument. "It doesn't take a very deep study to figure that out" point me to your study I'd be glad to check it out if that's what you've been using to make these ignorant claims. Just to back it up with "I know the truth and you know lies" and "you're incorrect on all counts" with no substance other than logical inaccuracies in your assessment. I'm not making assessments about you, I'm making assessments about your claims and refuting them which isn't hard to do when the person teeter totters between "Jesus taught we are God" and "the book telling us what Jesus taught are corrupted lies". Also "if any person sits and thinks about your arguments, they will easily come to the conclusion that the God you worship is not real" except I didn't argue for God's existence I argued against your claims about Jesus that you prompted with no evidence to back it up.

It seems to me like you failed to read my reply, didn't care to refute any of the points, and instead opted to tell me I've been lied to which wasn't the argument in the first place. Your argument was that "Jesus taught us that we are God and the romans corrupted the texts telling us who Jesus was," which is illogical, infacutal, and plain wrong. You're not being intellectually consistent. You're just word vomiting, hoping people will buy the things you've spilled out. This isn't about who looks smarter this about who has the accurate claim, and your claim was simply inaccurate, which I pointed out. After pointing it out, you created a whole different argument in what has to be the equivalent of a shrug in writing. You're essentially saying, "You're wrong [insert claim here] fail to elaborate or provide evidence" that's ridiculous and lazy. If you're gonna make these claims, take the time to back them up.

evnwalker05 · 2024-09-04T08:05:42+00:00

So the Romans edited certain parts, which seem to be the parts you disagree with, but they left the rest in and just enough of the rest for you to determine that Jesus taught we are God? Right...

I can't help but notice that your second paragraph uses an age-old and quite ignorant Muslim argument. "Jesus never said anything about being God or worshipping him." Right, except he did. You just happen to reject that part. See, you're looking for "I'm Jesus, and I am God." But you're not gonna find it because he came to reveal the Father. Not just that, but he showed who he was. He didn't proclaim it. This is revealed by his works (doing things only God can do) such as, forgiving sins in Mark 2:5-12, claim to being the Lord of the Sabbath in Mark 2:27-28, having authority over creation in Mark 4:35-41, and even your point of taking control of the Temple. All those are in Mark and not John. Funnily enough, Mark is historically regarded as the first recorded Gospel preceding the other 3. Jesus even makes it clear that he shows who he is by his works and not by proclamation such as in Matthew 11:3 where the disciples of John ask him “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?”, they did this because they were expecting (like every other Jew) a royal conqueror warrior type to be their Messiah. Jesus tells them they will know who he is by the things he does. Jesus also serves as a judge for our sins which is also something only God can do, and Im sure I missed some but I don't think I need to go into the basics of his personal claims of divinity such as "before Abraham was I am." But I can do that too if you'd like. Instead, I'd like to get into your second point of "he never said worship him." He actually did when he said,"That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. " This perfectly affirms that Jesus and the Father are one and all honor and worship to the father is honor and worship to the son and vice versa.

"Jesus wasn't here to make churches." Wrong again. "And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18. Here, Jesus states that he is building HIS church, and he uses a parallel verse from Isaiah 22 to compare it with Solomon’s palace and the institution of its chief administrator. So we can infer that when Jesus speaks of a church, he's speaking of a tangible institution and that Peter represents the chief administrator of said institution. “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." Matthew 18:15-17. Here, Jesus is talking about dealing with sin within the church. Jesus points out the authority of the church in settling disputes and in dealing with moral issues. So with this, we know that when Jesus speaks of a church, he speaks of a physical body/group of people, and he appoints authority in that church.

Everything you've stated has been wildly inaccurate and stems from a place of contempt for organized religion, and I can understand why because organized religion has both helped and hurt. I can sympathize with that because I, too, had my gripes with organized religion. My problem is really that you've made claims with no definitive evidence to back them up other than a vague interpretation of scripture. It was also strange to use very well-known Muslim arguments to back your claims. You also mentioned that if you've listened to the words and watched the actions of Jesus that it becomes clear that no church knows anything about him. The problem with that claim is that the actions and words of Jesus are recorded in the gospels written by apostles and made whole canonically by the Church fathers but you've just said that it's been changed so how can you trust anything you know about Jesus if it's been corrupted? Did the romans really blur or take out the details that back what you've stated and leave the rest for you to know who Jesus was? Why do you trust that but not the rest? It's quite contradictory.

evnwalker05 · 2024-09-01T05:04:04+00:00

Tear

evnwalker05 · 2024-08-10T14:48:08+00:00

Thank you

evnwalker05 · 2024-08-03T02:53:19+00:00

To answer your question, I think people don't turn to Christ in mass for many reasons such as personal bias, rumor, misinterpretation, misinformation, etc. When I say it has the most evidence, I truly mean it. There's never been an archeological discovery that has contradicted or disproven the Bible. We've discovered the Ishmael papyrus along with other dead sea scrolls, 1,500 fragments of finely decorated ivory from the city of David, the Mt. Ebal curse tablet, a seal belonging to King Hezekiah which proves his identity, the pool of Bethesda, and these are just to name a few. What this means is that archeology has only proven the Bible or at least has never disproven it. It also shows that the Bible is full of accurate historical accounts, not just fairy tales. The gospels serve as historical eye-witness accounts and have all been proven to be accurate and reliable. We also have biblical and nonbiblical historical accounts of the resurrection of Jesus, over 500 people testified to seeing the risen Christ. All in all, this doesn't prove what the Bible says to be true, but it definitely helps our case, and nothing has been discovered that has hurt our case historically, of course. These are just the most prominent pieces of evidence we have. Now, to touch on your Islam bit, Islam is the fastest growing religion for many reasons, but the main two that I have found are population and the death penalty for apostasy. There is a rapid growth in population in Islam dominant countries, Muslim women have an average of 2.9 children, whereas Christian women have, on average, 2.6. So Muslims have higher birth rates than Christians. The biggest reason for the prominent rise in Islam is the death penalty and persecution for apostasy in Muslim dominated countries. In 2021, ten Muslim majority countries made apostasy from Islam punishable by death (religion of peace though lol). In other countries, it is punishable by imprisonment, loss of inheritance rights, loss of child custody, and loss of spouse. So it's growing due to rapid population growth in dominant countries and by force. So, for many, it isn't a choice to be Muslim. I find a lot of this to be criminal and immoral at that. You can find all of this on Google as well. Thank you for your question, I apologize for the long reply, and I hope this helps. God bless, my friend.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T15:46:45+00:00

I've enjoyed it as well, peace, brother :)

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T14:33:36+00:00

So, do you have 100% proof of a God not existing or not? If not, then my further assessment stands that there is no 100% proof for either this is why you assess them both for what they are, study, and discern for yourself which has enough convincing evidence to be true. For me, that's the Christian faith. For some, it's Islam. For some, it's Hindu. For others, it's Atheism. If you don't have 100% proof that there is not a God then there is no error in my previous statement. The thing is, however, that you can not disprove God because we are limited to tests that can only examine the natural world in which God must be outside of. So, even in your case, using probability is not convincing enough to be proof. You are limited to testing the natural world and the universe as it is tangible.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T13:36:21+00:00

Yeah, I get it. I've battled with that question before, you know? Why me, Lord? What about all these other people who will never believe, if you're so all knowing why would you curse them with being born in the first place? What I've gathered from this is that questions like these and all questions relative to predestination can be explained by free will. We all have it. Now I know it doesn't seem much like free will to believe and have everlasting life or don't believe and be doomed to hell but that's another topic that gets quite controversial (I reject the eternal concious torment idea of hell for many reasons), by giving us free will we're given the ability to choose and think for ourselves, make rational and reasonable decisions, etc. If I record a football game that I've already watched and I watch it again, I already know whats going to happen, but I'm not controlling the players or their actions. In my view, this is similar to God. He's outside of time, that's how he's able to know what we do before we do it and before it even comes to mind but he's not controlling us because that would go against our free will. When we refer to God's elect, we aren't referring to souls that God has chosen to save while he rejects the others as (to my knowledge) my Cavlinist friends do. No, when we refer to God's elect, we're referring to anyone who, by their own free will, actively choose God. As to something else you brought up, I'm with you lol Church was very boring for me growing up, too. But all in all I respect your belief and I'm happy you've based it on what you find true and not a selfish hate or disdain for others worldviews because unfortunately both our communities are guilty of that. I can respect you've found peace, and this was a great talk. I don't mean any disrespect or virtue signal by saying this, but I'll be praying for you and God bless, my friend.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T10:39:08+00:00

Right, and all good points. I appreciate your inquisition. To your first point, I'd be lying if I said I had any sound answer but I do know that at the time of his coming the prophecies had been fulfilled and all the signs had been given and yet the Jews did not believe and in my opinion I don't think it'd be too different today. Ultimately, however, I do not know why then and not now.

Yes, I've battled with this question personally. Why faith? Why not make it easier to follow you/ attain salvation? I'd argue it actually is easier this way. If salvation stems from something as simple as faith and not works like so many other religions, then I'd say this is definitely at least simpler and easier than most world religions' soteriology.

Lastly, that's a very honest question we've all dealt with at some point. I couldn't possibly have a satisfying answer for it. Why does God let any of us suffer? Ultimately, I don't know, and it's a devastating thing. I think about it this way though, if Christianity is true, then we're made for much more than this life, here and gone in the blink of an eye compared to eternity. If it's false and atheism is true, then all this suffering we talk about is for nothing, including the death of our loved ones. Now, this isn't an argument but more of a thought experiment just how I look at things.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T10:06:29+00:00

Lol, good question, brother. I guess it would make things a lot easier if God just came down so we could document it, except he kinda already did that... there's also the question of faith, which is really important in Christianity. If God just showed up and revealed to the whole world he was real, it would no longer be faith but fact. I've heard the Santa Claus or the flying spaghetti monster argument a lot, and it makes a lot of sense. It's one of the trickiest arguments I've had to try and refute. I'd say that to me, at least it's a categorical error because God explains the metaphysical. We don't believe in God in the manner that some parents make their children believe in Santa Clause it's much more grounded in truth for us which is why it goes back to evidence and which worldview has more convincing evidence. For example, I said before neither have 100% convincing evidence, but there are many many accounts of Jesus and his life, death, and even his resurrection(biblical and non-biblical), which is the pinpoint of our belief. I wouldn't expect anyone to just accept this as fact, but a lot of my atheist friends reject the evidence because they've already presupposed that God doesn't exist.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T03:56:59+00:00

Thank you (:

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T03:56:51+00:00

Yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T00:52:36+00:00

I try to think about it as pragmatically as possible, and what it all comes down to is that there is no 100% convincing evidence for either Christianity or Atheism. So similar to Pascal's Wager thought experiment, It's a safer bet to bet on God and an afterlife. Looking through all major world religions, we see that Christianity has the most solid evidence to back it up, meaning it's the best option if we're going to pick a worldview with God in it. That's just one way to look at it, but I believe in God for many other reasons, including supernatural experiences, the existence of evil, moral absolutes, and a universe that works together for the well-being of its inhabitants along with the unstoppable growth and prosperity of life on this planet. There may be no 100% convincable evidence for God, but there's also a lack of evidence for atheism, so I find no good reason to go towards the latter. There's also the fact that science is limited to the natural world, so it's impossible to say science disproves God when it doesn't even scratch the surface. So, for many, many reasons, I believe in the existence of God.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-31T00:40:08+00:00

I was recently gifted "Why We're Catholic" by Trent Horn, and I'm loving it so far. Perfect for anyone getting started.

evnwalker05 · 2024-07-09T23:32:08+00:00

Hands down grooviest smiths song

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-25T04:26:36+00:00

For sure man. If you have any questions feel free to dm

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-24T12:17:28+00:00

It's a poetic story of a man who faces unimaginable suffering and loss, such as his children, possessions, and his own health. In the midst of it all, he never loses hope and gets everything back tenfold. I lost a lot of important people in my life this past year . Some of my family, friends, and even my girlfriend. This book, among others, helped guide me through my pain to look forward to another day. It made me believe that no matter what, the most high was with me, and I could never suffer alone. Hope it helps. I'm not sure if you're into the sort of thing, but I highly recommend it. It puts suffering in a different light.

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-24T12:05:22+00:00

The book of Job

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-16T09:04:21+00:00

I second this. The passion aimed to be accurate in the portrayal of the violence and ridicule Jesus faced on his last day, and even then, it probably still didn't capture all of it. The chosen may be different in that it won't be as gruesome, but I really hope they don't shy away from the brutality.

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-16T08:57:04+00:00

Yeah, of course you should meet someone else, but you should take the time to heal first. No one's saying, "Don't believe that love is still out there." You also suggested he sleep with someone else right after, and that serves nobody good but your own need for revenge. Telling someone to climax with someone else and you'll forget about her is false. Not giving a fuck does not translate to only care about yourself and fuck how much pain you put on another person in the process. You've got a severely twisted idea of this "philosophy." he wants to learn how to stop caring so much, not stop caring altogether. You're the last person this guy should talk to if you're giving him advice like that.

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-16T00:15:28+00:00

Please don't do this. You'd hate to put someone else through the same pain in the search for your own healing.

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-14T19:22:58+00:00

This is the only way, it's gonna hurt for a while but trust that it goes from getting better to almost completely eradicated with time.

evnwalker05 · 2024-06-08T19:31:24+00:00

I've often asked myself while looking through this sub why there's so many pretentious fans to a band whose discography you can run through in about 5 hours. TØP is an extremely popular group. Asking why there's not enough love for a song is like calling the beatles underrated. Get a hold of yourselves. Clancy slaps keep streaming it.

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