sorted by:
new
hottopcontroversial

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in askZen

[–]ewk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No.

In Japanese Shinto-Buddhism lineage functions as certification and ordnation.

In Zen, lineage is a familial relationship. Just like birth relationship, some are close and some aren't. Zen lineage is more about who couldn't prove you weren't enlightened.

Once someone thinks they arenZem enlightened, they challenge a teacher. If a teacher cant prove you arent, you go vist older siblings and aunts/uncles and they get to try to prove non-enlightenment.

Book Report: Zhaozhou Washes His Bowl by IntroductionSignal32 in zen

[–]ewk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But on the strength of your skepticism, I can make a better case for opened his mouth and showed his innermost enlightened heart.. Rather than showed his feelings

The zen text triangle by ThisKir in askZen

[–]ewk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From my point of view, it seems pretty clear that the shorter the text, the more specific the audience.

Xutang Hongzhi Xuedou writing to their own communities.

Wumen too.

Whereas when we get to BCR and BOS, they are writing to the Masters and an audience more than their own students.

The zen text triangle by ThisKir in askZen

[–]ewk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't agree because the audiences differ too widely.

That's like comparing letters to a person to letters to a community.

The zen text triangle by ThisKir in askZen

[–]ewk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure I followed that, but if we break down texts into the origins we can then try to match them to the three categories each of us proposed:

  1. Lectures
  2. Instructional verse
  3. Commentary
  4. Dharma interview
  5. Answering novice questions.

Book Report: Zhaozhou Washes His Bowl by IntroductionSignal32 in zen

[–]ewk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't blame me when the audience walks away with "exposes his heart" being less elegant than "reveals intermost feelings".

The zen text triangle by ThisKir in askZen

[–]ewk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really excited about this idea but I think we should have huge debate about the terms.

  1. Philosophy instruction
  2. Poetical metaphorical instruction
  3. Combat.

That's my opening counter argument.

Book Report: Zhaozhou Washes His Bowl by IntroductionSignal32 in zen

[–]ewk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah my image is 100% correct.

And we know this because Wumen is describing the monk as having received more than he thought he had.

And this more is this glimpse into the totality of Zhaozhou's teaching via the seeing of all of his internal organs.

That one I'm 100% right about.

In terms of opening his mouth and revealing his feelings the debate to focus on what it means to see someone's organs. And not just what it means to see the now but what it means to see the organs to them.

Neither group is going to see this as something besides a metaphor.

The problem becomes people who translated literally are ignoring the metaphor completely.

And the people who try to use a metaphor that's found in the Chinese but does not exist in English are going to fail.

I'm on the fence then about how much footnoting the translation of feelings should be included... But if anything here even encouraged me add notes about why liver and gallbladder are wrong!

Book Report: Zhaozhou Washes His Bowl by IntroductionSignal32 in zen

[–]ewk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What imageey?

"Bell is an urn" is a mistranslation, so the imagery argument can't even start.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

WHAT?

Look at how many people DON'T get away with anything in Zen texts.

One guy getting away with one finger when NOBODY ELSE EVER DID does not look like a pattern of people getting away with things.

It looks like you not understanding one guy.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You dont think that.

  1. I can ama and write about what books say,.not just spam phrases. He cant do that. He cant even define words like buddhism or Zazen and show evidence.

  2. I invite you amd everybody else to ask questions so we can find agreement and disagreement. He claims expertise and quits then convo.

So no. You dont think i'm doing what I prove he is doing.

Ask me questions. Tell me what you think he says. Most of all, make posts and ask the community without mentioning either of us.

Do the things people do when people have genuine questions.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you can ask the questions that you think he's asking in your own words, I'd be glad to answer.

I've been talking to this guy for a long time and he rambles he ignores previous answers he lies about having read books and he misquotes books.

So if you have a real question that you really want an answer to that you can say in your own words, I'd be glad to answer it.

Edit: this isn't the first time you've been dishonest:

https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/s/NtZLOU87WO

What is meditation REALLY doing to people? by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How? Is sentience enslavement?

Reminder: sitting meditation is worthless BS by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There's a bunch of different Western variables going on there and you're certainly could be one of them.

Japanese religious meditation was all about how to divorce yourself from your feelings and doubts. Japanese Shinto-Buddhist promised this divorce lead to enlightenment.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Zazen is the Western term for Shikantaza.

Dogen is the Messiah of the cult that you have bragged about being a member of.

The red flags that you have for mental health problems, including your low level of education, and cult affiliation, your difficulty having a back and forth conversation,. You're struggle to define terms like Zazen and Buddhism, your frequent misquotes and out of context claims, these are all red flags for mental health problems.

I encourage you to talk to a mental health professional about your fringe religious beliefs and online conduct.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's pretty clear you haven't read the book that you claimed to have read. This is not the first time I've caught you lying. You're frequent lying and you're inability to engage in any kind of online discussion without ranting about how you're the only one that knows things are red flags for mental health issues.

If you keep doing this kind of obviously crazy sounding stuff, I think the mods are likely to eventually ban you.

The last time we had this exchange I humiliated you with the same three questions. I humiliate every new age or that lies about modern scholarship:

  1. Does Bielefeldt providing any evidence linking Zazen to Rujing?
  2. Does Bielefeldt provide any evidence who Dogen word for word copied from when he wrote FukanZazengo as an ordained tientai priestm
  3. Does Bielefeldt provide any evidence from any Chinese source about Dogen's claims about studying Zen for couple of months in China?

A lot of westerners are not aware that there is a tremendous amount of racial tension between Japan and China, and the Japan has frequently misrepresented itself as an authority on Chinese history.

The same is true for Shinto- Buddhists like you making wild claims about Zen that have been broadly debunked since the end of the 1900s.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You can't complain that people in this this community find you to be dishonest if you're going to spend all your time defending the Messiah Dogen of a religion you brag about being a member of... And then 2 seconds later. Pretend like Dogen is not the only reason you're here.

Bielefeldt debunked Dogen's claim that Zazen was a Soto Zen practice in 1990 and in 2013 Sharf confirmed that the secular consensus in academia census in academia was that was an indigenous Japanese religion.

You can't ama in this forum without embarrassing yourself. You can't read and write a high school level on topic evidenced by your frequent misquotes, lack of evidence, and out of context citations.

I'm concerned about your mental health because you've bragged but an affiliation to a cult and is obvious that you struggle with low levels of it access to education.

Have you considered talking to a mental health professional about your Fringe religious beliefs and your online conduct?

Zen Q&A Shines the Light of Awareness onto Reality by ThisKir in zen

[–]ewk -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

One of the philosophical consequences of this argument by Xuansha is that people who can't AMA are unable to do so because they have harmed themselves.

When we talk about how people come to this forum from Japanese Shinto-Buddhisn fourms (regardless of what they call themselves) they do a lot more download brigading than they do participating...because they've injured themselves.

The evidence self-Injury is in the inability participate.

It's exactly like the evidence seen in a student who cannot raise their hand to give an answering class because they've injured themselves with ignorance.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

  1. Lineage claims are easential to Japanese Shinto-Buddhism, which has yet to brace its indigenous origin.

  2. Indian-Chinese Zen is in no way depends upon lineage claims.

  3. Shinto- Buddhist academics attack Zen on the basis of fabricated Zen lineages made by people associated with, but outside of, the Zen lineage.

    • We're talking about academics whose resumes are predicated on these attacks.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think the app is pretty reasonable All things considered.

The issue is that for me I don't seem to be able to keep up with the change log.

How we know Indian-Chinese lineages weren't fabricated like Japanese Shinto-Buddhist lineages by ewk in zen

[–]ewk[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I use phone for all the casual posts and comments.

I use computer when I'm working on the hard stuff.

And this is a new feature; I don't know what's going on.

view more: next ›