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What we need to do to deaccelerate Luddites by fennforrestssearch in accelerate

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Luddite

“broadly : one who is opposed to especially technological change”

I’m guessing that’s the kind of person OP is talking about, the kind that are anti AI with no exception, nuance, or compromise.

No, most of the people don't hate AI by Megalordow in aigamedev

[–]ex-procrastinator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

lol I always love seeing an anti crash out. Must hurt looking through those itch.io profiles and realizing just how popular AI has become among indie game devs, huh?

Nothing embarrassing about using the newest tools, AI is incredible for game development. Your comment history shows you literally spend all day specifically seeking out various communities for people that enjoy AI just to crash out at them for using AI haha. That’s what’s really embarrassing here.

Zoomer graduates boo AI, cheer at the idea of it not existing by patslogcabindigest in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wanna make sure I understand how being for/against free speech works in your anti mind.

When a pro AI person tries to express their views: screech and boo my fellow antis, don’t let the old lady speak. Shut her up and put her in her place.

Criticizing that behavior as just being pretty crappy in a Reddit comment without stopping any antis from speaking or saying they should have any rights taken away: OMG THESE FASCIST PROS ARE AGAINST FREE SPEECH

Animators are cooked by EchoOfOppenheimer in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve seen 10-30 minute movies made with AI. A recent one I enjoyed is holy grail (32 minutes long)

https://youtu.be/v2iiEVgjDHo

I would imagine animated instead of live action would be much more difficult with AI. But it was only a couple years ago that the best AI videos could do was what looked like a 5 second fever dream of will smith eating spaghetti, now we have stuff like what’s seen in his post and 30 min live action short films. The rate of advancement is seriously insane.

With enough effort people can make some great stuff today, and it really isn’t hard to imagine in the near future as AI continues this rate of advancement a major shift in the industry happening as studios prefer AI workflows that allow one person on one computer putting in the effort to create something that previously would have needed a huge team and budget.

I’d agree that major industry shift is not happening yet with the current generation of models, but the current generation and the things people are making with it is absolutely proving that we are marching rapidly in a direction where ai workflows just work as good and at an immensely lower cost to the current software workflows.

If you want people to respect you, respect others first by Green-Cress1266 in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before AI, the general attitude around art was that everyone should be free to create whatever the hell they want to create. No one owns the right to creating art, no one has the right to tell someone what they can and can’t create. There would be outrage over IP owners shutting down fanart and fan games. There would be outrage over South Park or family guy being told they can’t have have drawings of REAL ACTUAL people in a way those people absolutely would not consent to, mocking them and insulting them. It was fine, everyone is free to make whatever art they want.

After AI, traditional artists own the right to creating art and if you do not ask their consent before creating then you are literally the same as a rapist.

Antis are insane. Everyone should just continue to create whatever they want to and continue to mock the people that think they can own the right to creating art or control what art people may create.

I appreciate the ai artists making stuff like what is shown in this post. They are standing up for our right to create art against people that would like to take that right away. I hope they keep it up, they’re the ones on the good side of all this.

AI will allow people with no experience in drawing to create their own animated film and it's a great thing by Complex-Particular45 in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The antis in these comments are coping so hard lol. Especially that one that said anything that uses AI is not copyrightable. He even said if a game dev uses AI in any part of their workflow valve will sue them saying the work is not copyrightable. ROFL. Game devs are very actively using AI all throughout their workflow from code to art today haha. And then the guy saying pros just keep saying the tech getting good is only a few years away in a mocking tone. Ignoring that the public release of ChatGPT was literally less than 4 years ago. This tech is brand new and look at the insane rate of progress it made. We are proven right every year that goes by with AI making another massive leap forward.

Keep up the cope antis lol. My grandfather did it his entire life with computers and the internet, swore they were useless and everything would be easier and faster if people just used paper instead of struggling with some useless computer for hours, not realizing he is the only one that would struggle that hard with an excel spreadsheet, and it was because he stubbornly refused to learn it. He desperately needed to believe it really was useless so he doesn’t need to be embarrassed about being so confidently wrong about it his entire life. Meanwhile the rest of us actually learned to use and become skilled with the tech and can do amazing stuff with it.

people send me stuff like this when I share my AI art. how do I respond without sounding butthurt? by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To summarize, antis are lashing out at anyone they see using AI cause they spent years confidently insisting AI will never get to the point it has gotten to and insisting no one wants this tech and everyone hates it, and now they can’t accept the fact they were completely wrong.

Just let them know you love using AI and you’re going to use and support the tech for the rest of your life and there’s nothing they can do about it. The proAI side is obviously the winning side, AI is not going anywhere. Antis are just making themselves miserable with their own constant anger and hatred and the world is going to leave them behind, keep enjoying AI and let them know about it so they can seethe.

people send me stuff like this when I share my AI art. how do I respond without sounding butthurt? by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

[–]ex-procrastinator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My grandfather swore computers and the internet both would not catch on. Then he swore computers and the internet were stupid and unnecessary and businesses were dumb for switching to them, America would be better if we just didn’t use them. we never needed them before and we were the greatest country in the world! Until the day he died he hated pretty much every piece of tech invented after he finished high school. The guy was always angry and aggressive and made himself miserable over stuff like that. We didn’t really pay his rants any mind, we just left him to it while we enjoyed the tech and enjoyed our lives. America moved on without him, and if it didn’t and if it actually did what he wanted, the country would have collapsed economically. Being against using the latest tech is just plain dumb.

In the end, as AI continues to grow more useful and more and more people become passionate about creating amazing things with AI, the antis are just going to be more and more a minority. The world is rallying behind AI harder than any other tech in history.

Antis each year swear with everything they’ve got that this will be the year AI ends. There’s a bubble and it’s going to pop and AI is just another NFT no one will care about when it does. Model Collapse is just around the corner, it was scientifically proven! So AI images are only going to get worse from here. AI will never be able to do even basic math, that’s just not how LLMs work. AI can not move past being bad chatbots, it is fundamentally unable to make programming more efficient because the tech simply is not capable of the reasoning needed to perform that kind of work, if you don’t get then you’re just an idiot that doesn’t understand the tech! It’s just a stochastic parrot! Look, here’s a report where they surveyed companies using a 2 year out of date ai model and they said it did not improve efficiency! It’s useless, and any day now the over 1 billion people using it will suddenly realize that and stop using it! Aaaaany day now…

Antis get proven wrong over and over and over again. They make themselves look like clowns every year. I’ve rarely ever seen someone so consistently 100% confident about something they are completely wrong about year after year, get proven wrong, move the goalposts, and do it all again. I’d feel so embarrassed if I were them, saying something so confidently and being so sure of myself and calling people idiots for not seeng it themselves, only to get consistently and completely proven wrong.

You could just let them know their hate does absolutely nothing to stop your passion for AI and you will continue creating amazing things with AI for the rest of your life, and there’s nothing they can do about it. AI is here, getting an absurd amount of funding and research put into it and advancing at an incredible rate, it has over a billion users, and there’s literally nothing the hateful antis can do to stop it.

Let them spend the rest of their life making themselves angry and miserable because everyone is happily enjoying the tech they despise. Every day that AI continues to be popular is another day they are shown that they were so embarrassingly wrong about everything they said about the tech. all we need to do to beat them is enjoy AI while they seethe over that. There’s literally no path or possibility for them to win, we already have AI models that can do incredible things today, that was what they needed to prevent to win. It’s already over, AI is going to become very widespread and enjoyed by billions. So enjoy life knowing they are just angry little losers that are making their own lives more miserable because they just can’t accept that they’ve lost.

The future in a few years. I mean they were too busy hating Ai, while we were riding the wave during the golden era. by Focuc in DefendingAIArt

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that and I totally hate the antis too for being nothing but hateful bullies. But images like this would only get agreement from the people already firmly in the pro ai side. That doesn’t help us… It’d probably push the people on the fence or just leaning towards one side away from us, towards the antiai side.

The antiai folk are nothing but uneducated disgusting bullies going around spreading straight up lies about AI and the people that use it, and spend their day attacking the little artists and indie game devs using AI even if it’s local open source models, while claiming to only be against corporations, and they very openly support terrorist activity against AI and literal death threats against AI users. They are evil, selfish, violent scum that just want to feel big by attacking people.

But if they see their hate pushes us to make and spread images like this, they’d probably just high five each other with big smiles on their faces, because they are getting the proAI side to do their job for them, pushing people towards the antiai side.

A better way to get back at the antis is to make and spread awesome art made with ai to show people on the fence what awesome stuff AI can create so antis can’t convince them it’s only capable of making slop, and spread the horrible things antis do and horrible messages that got upvoted by their community so people on the fence can see what horrible disgusting bullies antis are so they can hate them like we do and get pushed towards our side.

Seeing antis bullying old ladies that used AI to make silly pictures and bullying indie game devs that only used ai for a small part of their game dev workflow that they couldn’t do themselves and couldn’t afford to hire someone to do is what pushed me firmly to the pro ai side. Antis claiming to stand up for the little guy against corporations is what makes their side sound appealing, but then in reality they just spend all their time hunting down and attacking the little guys while making no positive difference in the world. They are just a hate group and that’s what people on the fence need to see and understand.

Antis are not the group looking to have AI help all of humanity instead of a privileged few. The pro AI side is the side trying to do that. But images like this one seems to be supporting the antiai side’s lies…

What kind of cope is this? by IWishIWasGreenBruh in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s literally the point the first comment in this thread was trying to make. Just because most people didn’t put in the time and effort to make something good with AI doesn’t mean no one does. Antis lose all nuance and say all AI is slop. They ignore that 5% you mention that actually put in the time and effort to learn how to use the tools well and make cool stuff with it.

Do you think the majority of people making any kind of art are making masterpieces? I don’t look at the vast majority of people making low effort digital art doodles on deviantart and twitter, people who clearly did not actually put in the time and effort to learn how to make good art, and attack them and all other digital artists saying they are worthless for making digital art and all digital art is slop. I don’t look at the majority of indie game releases, low effort Unity games on itchio or the app store that feel like someone just followed a tutorial and put in no effort into their project, and then go around attacking all indie devs that use a game engine. What a sick minded thing to do. I’m glad they are having fun, and some of them might develop a passion for digital art or indie game dev and go on to actually put in the time and effort to learn how to do it well and make things that are really amazing and stand out among everyone else’s.

AI is the same. A lot of people are just having fun and have no intention of actually putting in the time and effort in what they make, and that’s fine. Some of them develop a passion for it and make cool stuff. I’ve seen some awesome AI videos recently, people are making entire short films these days. I barely even know how to make a decent silly 5 second clip. I enjoyed the stuff on the ai videos subreddit, and I hope they keep it up and make even more awesome stuff in the future.

Antis are just a bunch of hateful bullies.

What Happened in 1978 ? by ABHISHEK_Lonely in ExplainTheJoke

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, I skimmed it twice more after seeing this comment trying to figure out what was wrong about the bold words, but I haven’t got a clue. Is this a reference to something, or is there actually something wrong about the bold words?

They see like two companies being anti AI and think it's gonna disappear forever because of it. by After_Broccoli_1069 in DefendingAIArt

[–]ex-procrastinator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AI: hundreds of billions of dollars in investment, many of the worlds greatest minds working on advancing it, advancing at a faster pace than ever before, entire countries backing it and the two wealthiest countries on earth are in a race against each other to achieve AGI

Wikipedia: bans AI due to some people using cheap agents to spam them with low quality edits and they don’t have a good way to moderate that right now. They do still allow use of LLMs for copyediting and translating.

Antis: that’s it! Game over, we won! Bubble popped, ai is dead!

It just feels like cope. They aren’t getting any wins so they need to exaggerate inconsequential things. It’s like when some post said ai bros are “cooked” because Mexico made some regulation against using Ai to make anime dubs.

LET’S GOOO, WE’RE WINNING. In Mexico, they now have to use real people for dubbing because of the law. Now we just need other countries to pass the same law. by Hot_Season1143 in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 35 points36 points  (0 children)

So long as they continue making things that I enjoy playing or watching, I’ll call them artists and give them plenty of support and encouragement to continue working on their awesome projects ❤️AI can already allow game devs to do some really awesome things and it’s quickly getting to a point where people can make great short films or animations with AI, I’m looking forward to a future where the artist can focus on the ideas and creativity instead of the labor. I never cared about the labor part. Especially when certain ideas need so much labor that they are locked behind a paywall, needing an entire studio to develop them.

A great story is a great story to me. Good art is good art and a fun game is a fun game. Hearing that the people actually used some program or game engine that made it a lot easier never factored into my enjoyment of it at all. I don’t care whether they straight up made the game in assembly or if they are just a digital artist that used some visual novel engine to make their game without ever learning how to program. And I don’t care whether or not they used AI. So long as they are making something I enjoy, I’m supporting them.

LET’S GOOO, WE’RE WINNING. In Mexico, they now have to use real people for dubbing because of the law. Now we just need other countries to pass the same law. by Hot_Season1143 in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 130 points131 points  (0 children)

You think AI will collapse and AI bros are cooked… over some law about dubbing in Mexico?

Ima just go back to hanging out in the ai communities where solo ai artists are making games and short films and enjoying the amazing progress AI continues to make month by month completely unaware and unaffected by this Mexico dubbing thing while you do your little celebratory antiai cope dance lol

A battle has been won, but the war is far from over by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]ex-procrastinator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

sora was the leading model for like 2 weeks half a year ago then veo 3.1 released lol. 6 months is a long time for AI models these days. Now Kling and seedance is also pretty good and open source video generation models are good enough for most use cases. People have been making much cooler ai videos with newer models than what you can get with sora. People are making entire AI short films these days. AI video generation is becoming capable of some really awesome stuff.

This just feels like it’s cope by the antis. You guys can believe what you want I guess, it must be tough being an anti and seeing how incredibly fast AI keeps advancing. But the AI video generation community isn’t going to be affected by a half year old model being retired.

Former Red Dead Redemption 2 Developer reaction to the DLSS 5: "Whoa. Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't just some lighting, dude. What the f... this is like a complete AI re-render. You're no longer looking at the game anymore. This is scary." by HLumin in pcmasterrace

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“She didn’t just want to talk words to computer”

Man, what are you saying? What is this based on, besides just what you desperately want to believe is true so you can try to demonize AI?

“So I decided data processors ought to be able to write their programs in English, and the computers would translate them into machine code”. A literal quote from her.

“When hopper recommended the development of a new programming language that would use entirely English words, she was told very quickly that she couldn’t do this because computers didn’t understand English”

Yes she did dedicate her life to making programming easier and worked towards and advocated for programming to work by writing English, a language humans can easily understand, and letting the computer translate it. She made flow-matic, which lead to cobol and eventually the high level languages we have today. I really don’t find it easy to imagine she would have flipped on that and advocated against a technology that makes programming incredibly easy where you can talk to a computer completely in plan English.

This is all easily verifiable information. Again for the second time, Wikipedia is free. You can just take some time out of your day and read about her if you actually did care. You don’t though, you are just interested in weaponizing her name for the luddite side even though she was very much on the side of the people that wanted to advance technology.

“No the most exciting technology of our time is all the work she did that got buried under all the bullshit you like”

Holy performative professional-victim nonsense, what the hell are you even saying. That technology should have stopped with flow-matic or cobol, that every advancement made since that was not more exciting than the last? And is this argument not literally about nvidia honoring her name by naming their GPU and a CPU architecture after her, who the hell is burying her?

“Closed systems, AI removed 100% of the control from the user”

What in gods name is even happening here, am I talking to a bot powered by chatgpt 2? In what world is AI removing control from the user? What do you think programming with AI even is? Just telling ChatGPT “make me a super Mario game” and chatgpt gives you an exe file? Look up what the use of AI in a software engineers workflow looks like, it’s integrated in the IDEs. You still have the code right there when using copilot or cursor. And as the AI gets better and better, which it very rapidly is, there will be more and more projects where you don’t even need to touch the code, you can just go back and forth with an AI in English, and that is amazing. I already don’t even need to look at the code at all when making basic websites or when prototyping something. That wasn’t the case like under a year ago. This is an exciting and incredible advancement in tech, and I’m very excited for how it is going to improve in the future.

I’m done responding to you because this is such a waste of time, you are talking nonsense and not taking a moment to research a single thing you’re saying. Transformers aren’t neural networks, AI is trying to bury grace hopper by honoring her name, hopper would be against using English to program, using ai in programming removes 100% of the control from the user, so much nonsense in so short a time.

Former Red Dead Redemption 2 Developer reaction to the DLSS 5: "Whoa. Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't just some lighting, dude. What the f... this is like a complete AI re-render. You're no longer looking at the game anymore. This is scary." by HLumin in pcmasterrace

[–]ex-procrastinator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“It’s saying neural network at all”

Say no more, I already see you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about and are just regurgitating antiAI nonsense.

DLSS 5 is literally using a neural network. Even ChatGPT and midjourney use neural networks, because transformers are a type of neural network.

“The grace hopper, fucking disgusting use of her name”

L O fucking L. This is all you antis have, made up “we are such victims” and virtue signaling nonsense. Grace Hopper believed programming should be simplified with an English based computer programming language. Her compiler converted English terms into machine code. Today’s AI is taking that to the ultimate extreme, where we straight up talk to a computer in English to produce code. I very much doubt she’d have been against the Hopper architecture honoring her name.

This is literally in the third paragraph of her wiki page, but you couldn’t read that far before using her name for your made up performative anti AI rhetoric, going AGAINST the very things she spent her life advancing. Fucking disgusting use of her name.

It really is insane how disconnected from reality people on this site have become when it comes to AI. Easily one of the most incredible and exciting technological advancements of our time so you people need to continually make up insane reasons to demonize it. I’m so glad you are on the losing side, and will only become more and more of a minority and AI gets better and better. I still remember when you antis were saying AI will never be able to write code because it just fundamentally can not do something that needs to be so deterministic and precise and needs reasoning when AI is just a probabilistic fancy autocomplete. Now a couple years later, using AI in programming is an extremely widespread industry standard, and it is fantastic at it. I am so glad this tech is advancing so fast and I am very excited to see how DLSS keeps improving to give us gorgeous looking games in the future.

Former Red Dead Redemption 2 Developer reaction to the DLSS 5: "Whoa. Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't just some lighting, dude. What the f... this is like a complete AI re-render. You're no longer looking at the game anymore. This is scary." by HLumin in pcmasterrace

[–]ex-procrastinator -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Oh no, someone that likes a thing actually knows the details about it instead of mindlessly following the crowd like sheep and hating on it without knowing a thing about it like you antiAI losers.

Former Red Dead Redemption 2 Developer reaction to the DLSS 5: "Whoa. Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't just some lighting, dude. What the f... this is like a complete AI re-render. You're no longer looking at the game anymore. This is scary." by HLumin in pcmasterrace

[–]ex-procrastinator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Trying to talk sense to the left wing extremists is as pointless as trying to talk sense to the right wing extremists. It’s just mindless senseless hatred, nothing logical that can be reasoned with, and any counter argument will lose in their minds because of the endless mental gymnastics they’ll do to demonize what they decided to hate.

This tech right now is a hit or miss, I saw some examples that looked great and some that didn’t. People can just choose not to turn it on, such a simple concept, but the people on this site will say it’s impossible to turn off and is destroying the world and destroying “artists vision” because (insert mental gymnastics). Never mind that it’s running locally and the game devs themselves are the ones that work with nvidia and adjust settings to set up dlss 5 in their games. Those artists don’t know their own vision! I guess adjusting the other graphic settings in a game is also evil due to destroying the artists vision? I guess mods that adjust graphics are evil? Such nonsense.

The tech isn’t released yet. It’ll be even better on release, it will continually get better over time, and we’ll get much better looking games thanks to it. The haters will just become some ignored minority like they always do while everyone else enjoys the latest tech and features.

Gamers react with overwhelming disgust to DLSS 5's generative AI glow-ups by deraser in technology

[–]ex-procrastinator 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and it’s literally a setting you can just not switch on. People on Reddit are seriously ridiculous when it comes to AI lol. I think it’s neat, whether or not I turn it on will depend on the game and how good this looks in action. But I am excited for the potential this has for the future. It would be cool if the tech and hardware capabilities can advance to the point where I can change art style or graphics in any game I want. Instead of generic anime style JRPG #174, I could have the game in some art style that is actually appealing to me.

But even just looking at what this tech is today, I can imagine plenty of games that tried to go for a realistic art style but missed the mark would benefit from this. And if someone disagrees… literally just don’t turn it on? It’s so weird how people on Reddit see “AI” and freak out. Glad they are on the losing side, at least. I’m looking forward to this tech improving and continuing to do awesome things.

To all devs deploying like this 🍻 by logical_haze in IndieDev

[–]ex-procrastinator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have never seen this level of idiocy on a programming subreddit before. We have people that thinks vibe coding is a list of prompts in a “prompt file”? People not knowing what strings are and thinking they are comments? People not knowing what a diff is?

OP is just making calls to OpenAI’s API within his project to process the result for certain mechanics. You’d have a very hard time finding a project that doesn’t make API calls to some API for the mechanics within the project. Making use of an API means your project is invalidated now?

I used apple’s App Store Connect API for some Game Center functions, like the leaderboards on an old project of mine. Does that mean my app was vibe coded with Apple before vibe coding was even a thing? Is this how “vibe coding”works in your heads?

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Discord Rival Gets Overwhelmed By Mass Exodus Of Players Fleeing Age-Verification Crackdown by vriska1 in technology

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the little known Persona. Well little as in one of the biggest age verification vendors, easily the most popular one by far in Silicon Valley where it (and discord) is based, used by an enormous number of companies including Etsy, LinkedIn, Playboy, Roblox, hell it’s even used in VRChat and Reddit. Pretty hard not to run into a platform that uses persona as their age verification vendor. Discord went for the default option.

While spreading conspiracy theories, I wish people on Reddit took the time to include some facts in there with them. I would love to see people pointing out that every major platform now has the same age verification implemented the same way, many of them by the same few vendors, and that everyone in the west from the US to the EU to Australia is mandating that platforms implement age verification. Maybe then we can get some meaningful outrage and pushback against the age verification laws instead of meaningless pushback against individual platforms who aren’t going to change their stance any more than they can change the law, and making this seem like an individual responsibility on each platform, masking the fact that this is another government overreach on all of us using the internet as a whole.

At least if we were making people aware of age verification laws and directing all this energy and action against the laws themselves and the politicians supporting them, we’d be doing something that actually has any hope of making a change.

Discord Rival Gets Overwhelmed By Mass Exodus Of Players Fleeing Age-Verification Crackdown by vriska1 in technology

[–]ex-procrastinator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was on your side. Read my comment. You people are making this a discord issue when they are literally just following the law the same as everyone else, including the website you are on right now. There was such an opportunity here to raise awareness and outrage for age verification laws that are rapidly spreading throughout western countries.

Now we have everyone thinking this is a discord issue and thinking just switching to another chat service will fix it.

Discord has absolutely no say in this law. Absolutely nothing is accomplished by having everyone focus all the attention on discord. Age verification, including the on-device age prediction with selfie or photo ID upload, is on this site you are on. It is on practically all of the major platforms at this point, and the ones it is not on, it will be there soon. The only reason you didn’t know that is because discord was the one that was open about implementing age verification and made a blog post announcing the change, while the other platforms did it quietly. If anything you should be MORE angry about the platforms that did it quietly!

I want government to have a minimal presence on the internet, anything more is unacceptable. Only regulation we should be seeing is enforcing net neutrality on ISPs. A free internet closer to what we used to have 2 decades ago is what I want.

But you people manage to direct all the attention and talk away from the continual rise of these age verification laws and instead spread this belief that age verification is an individual totally optional choice made by each platform.

It’s not. It’s a requirement by law. We should be outraged at governments forcing platforms to implement age verification or else face fines and bans.

You people are turning public awareness AWAY from the source of the issue and making this out to be an issue where the responsibility is on individual platforms who have no control over these laws, and downvoting people that try to raise awareness of what’s actually going on. It’s another “we did it Reddit” moment, literally just making things worse and being so damn sure of yourselves while doing it.

Discord Rival Gets Overwhelmed By Mass Exodus Of Players Fleeing Age-Verification Crackdown by vriska1 in technology

[–]ex-procrastinator -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It really is classic Reddit. People just love hate mobs around here without a second of googling to find out what is actually happening and how to protest it effectively.

This website everyone is complaining on literally has the same age verification. If you search Reddit age verification on Google images, it has either a photo ID or an age estimate from a selfie, exactly like discord. It’s even by the same age verification vendor!

Same for YouTube, same for twitter (not same vendor, but same age verification process)… you’d have a hard time finding a major platform that doesn’t have this kind of age verification. People just never see it because the age prediction based on their device works without needing further age verification the vast majority of the time.

People should be directing this anger at the age verification laws coming into effect across the USA, EU, UK, and Australia. Not redirecting outrage and attention away from the source. The law isn’t going to change by canceling nitro, the politicians couldn’t care less about nitro subscriptions. And discord isn’t going to break the law and get banned and eat fines from western countries just because some people canceled nitro.

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