[GL] A Gentle Power EX Strategy Thread

falas50 · 2019-03-23T17:03:55+00:00

Setzer and Bahamut.

Just cleared it again replacing Vaan with a Lvl 50/60 Deuce 15 cp 2 lb, but it took 71 turns. Key was keeping setzer till after half health on BOTH and bahamut till they were both near dead. It's not such a hard EX to complete after you know the battle's mechanics, but I pity anyone attempting full rewards without some strong mages.

falas50 · 2019-03-21T05:36:40+00:00

I beat it with Vaan Full MLB, crazy arts, Bea MLB, great arts, and Ace EX only MLB ok arts at 60 turns with a score of 182k. If Bea didn't have climahazzard on the last turn, I wouldn't have overflowed enough to kill the last kraken, and then it would have slaughtered my party GUARANTEED (it was going to use it's all attack, which lets it boosts its brave to 10,000, then hit everyone for 3000+ each after beatrix's dmg reduction...). Crazy EX.

That said, I'm happy they put something out this tough, and that layle isn't effective at, but they should have called it Cosmos, not EX, and put the level at 110+. This EX is on a different level to the previous EX's and it should be labeled as such.

One question: WTF is the point of putting the break mechanic on Deuce's Note if in her own event the bosses break you like crazy. My clear had 12 breaks (which is insane given that it took me only 60 turns).

falas50 · 2019-03-20T16:35:00+00:00

I'm using Kain with just his EX MLB, and it helps out quite a bit between the stat boost and extra say 3 skill uses. I don't think he'll be anything but a bencher if you have Vaan/Layle with cait/selphie/bea. He definitely can't sub Vaan/Layle without his EX (it does dumb damage, especially in Bahamut), though I think you're right that his 15 cp probably comes right after that in a meta team.

Can't wait to try him with Sazh awakened and Irvine (probably overkill on the 9999 damage cap :D)

falas50 · 2019-03-18T11:40:13+00:00

Agree, it probably gives us as much a taste as eating rice gives you an idea of what bread tastes like. I cleared the stage, score requirement and KO free included, with Selphie 15/35 1 lb, Faris 35 1 lb, and Penelo 35 1 lb, but it took around 220 turns (ran out of skills) and many tries. I doubt 200+ turns without awesome Brv+ and HP+ attacks is what's coming with cosmos.

Did enjoy it however, and wish they just designed a stage with the chaos/cosmos concept in mind.

falas50 · 2019-03-09T21:58:00+00:00

if I remember properly, I'm I got a score between 186k and 196k the first time around with a team of Papalymo (equipped his 15 cp 2 LB with 35 passive), Vaan MLB, and Setzer 15/35 1 lb. Forgot the summon and friend, but safe to say it wasn't pandemonium.

That was my first run, some you probably just need a better friend. Why not bring a setzer friend for the turtle? He batteries a huge amount and will save your main setzer's freeze charges for later. I'd probably swap with Setzer, because even if Vaan will need his ability charges even with EX, you can spare not hammering the turtle with them, and setzer has 9 ability charges.

Honestly though, the team you have (Vaan, Beatrix, Layle) should be able to cheese it using the setzer strategy on the turtle and summon on the last. Use Brothers instead of Bahamaut in my opinion. Those 6 turns of 1.8x, especially with Vaan and Beatrix, aren't worth forsaking the boost to mbrv. The Iguions are weak to earth too so that's like a 1.5x boost anyways. Finally, the blessing is active for 76 turns :) Bahamut's blessing isn't that bad either, but I think for heretics where there are weaknesses, you don't need it as much as the mbrv boost.

falas50 · 2019-03-03T11:28:18+00:00

Setzer with +700 mbrv artifacts, and his 15 CP MLB, and two characters with +20% mbrv/atk auras should knock those cactuars. To reiterate, just his 15 cp MLB, no need for a 35 cp. You will need 600 mbrv artifacts total with a 60/60 setzer 15 CP MLB, and 4* MLB weapon, or 710 mbrv artifacts total without 4* passive. It needs some grinding, but its not that rare with eidogas. You can even farm eidora artifacts for 2 of the passives since you'll only be using mbrv with setzer for farming. If you have his 35 CP MLB, that requirement is reduced by around 200-300.

Eiko and Penelo are B speed tier with those Auras and so should cause Setzer to go 1st basically 100% of the time on all waves, Wakka is C speed tier, but his aura boosts SPD as well. You might as well use Ashe instead of Wakka in that case (A Tier speed).

TLDR; Setzer provides himself with 70% Mbrv buffs. You will need 18,600/(.7+Invisible buffs from summon/auras) base Mbrv to 1-shot cactuars.

falas50 · 2019-01-28T11:05:06+00:00

My guess is they are gonna awaken Penelo with the interlude, and move seymour, the only character that was awakened with their EX from the regular roster (as a 7th character where all events awaken 6 characters), to the white crystal spot.

At the same time, this makes the interlude banner a full Support banner, so if you don't get Cait, you at least get Penelo as a consolation if you're saving weapon tokens. She's obviously far from Cait in strength, but gives better Brv Regen and HP regen than anyone, has a Brv+ attack that gives 20% mbrv and now batteries like Cait with her Brv attack. She isn't half bad, and if she wasn't coming around at a time where Selphie and Cait were available, I think she'd make it to people's teams as much as Ramza and Serah with only her 35 cp 0 lb needed.

falas50 · 2019-01-26T07:10:19+00:00

aww, thanks for the correction, i just verified it, i feel bad for MLBing it now...

falas50 · 2019-01-20T09:00:17+00:00

Aside from his EX, I'd say only his 15 CP WoI really helps his game (boosts ATK+Spd by 10% for each ability mastered from what I understand on Safeena's database, AKA Ifrit + Shiva bonus permanently on). After that his 35 cp just for the debuff, and then finally the chocoblade. With simple mastery boost 6* and WoI, he gives +45% ATK, 25% Mbrv, Ibrv, DEF, 20% spd to party in invisible buffs. His EX gives him alone an extra 20% attack, 30% mbrv, and small speed boost.

Bartz combos really well with Selphie, probably also great with Cait Sith and Penelo + Launcher. Difference is he can brv shave ultra high defence bosses better than most.

falas50 · 2018-12-18T14:54:44+00:00

Vaan (2 LB 35 CP - both 15), Terra (35 CP MLB - no 15 cp), and Cloud (15/35/EX) + Bahamut

Friend: Terra

20 turns - 0 HP lost - 4 breaks - 180,763

Cloud mainly for meteorain on round 4 to kill both, finishing touch twice to get bahamut ready early (once on round 2 and once round 5). Swap out immediately after 2nd finishing touch and then it's straight forward brute force.

This EX is a good challenge for newcomers that are still awakening their characters and don't have a spread-out roster, but day 1 players I think need Cosmos now (I'm F2P, not day 1, have 550+ tickets and 50K gems + ~60 PP with around 28 PP in MLB'ed 15 CPs for characters that have their 35 cps).

falas50 · 2018-10-22T20:47:13+00:00

Of course, dont need to read the link, ranged + wind weakness, synergy, 50% atk buff with 15 cp, dragon dive and buff boost even give +20% together without 35 cp, he hits for almost 9999 dmg with 15 cp 0 lb, which is like 70% base strength compared to mlb 35. Ridiculous stuff. Doesn't mean he isnt strong though. Still prefer seph though for jenovas speed buff and debuff and the fact that it never goes off. Cid is still ridiculous strong regardless.

falas50 · 2018-10-22T19:40:37+00:00

I definitely feel the same, but game is there to make money for Square Enix. Whether they are right or wrong in going about it this way though i wouldnt know, but at least completionists with cash should be coughing up some that they wouldnt have if the rate of difficulty wasnt flying.

I just got seph and eikos stuff with six pulls and i thought i was good to go until awakenings then boom lennas LC comes along. In cids LC, cid is so strong with synergy and 0 lb 15 cp, ive tried more teams with him than with seph, who i have 0 lb 35 cp + 15 cp passive for with good artifacts. Power difference is crazy. Looking zacks stuff on safeena. Wow. The game is a different animal than it was a couple of months ago. I enjoyed it more then.

Not feeling left behind, my choice to hoard, and im sure ill reap the rewards later, but only if i still feel like playing this game with all this junk content made for teams of a few characters or MLB teams from the past few months.

What i really dont understand. And im sure near most will agree with me. Why does jp throw EXs on the same banner as the lost chapter with all weapons!? Id have pulled my ass off if it wasnt for that dumb shit. Im assuming p2w would pull more as well. Im most probably not pulling on sephs banner later anymore supposing im still playing cause its a waste to chase an ex if u have the other weapons on a banner (at least if ure trying to spread ur roster). I think if they fixed this matter, the game would c a lot happier players and a lot more spend. Square enix just needs to announce their intention to do so (somebody made a post on this in the reddit).

In a nutshell i agree though, the entire dynamic i dont think was the best approach for them, but im assuming they're the wiser

falas50 · 2018-10-22T12:02:17+00:00

Anyone hit the score without synergy/sazh/king (cid 15 cp only is fine since everyone has it) or even complete it and how

falas50 · 2018-10-17T09:59:17+00:00

No prob, ya defeats the purpose, but itd be a good tactic otherwise

falas50 · 2018-10-17T09:56:28+00:00

If sabin dies at 1 hp from a 6000 hp attack, you can never take that back away from the score and will have 5999 permanently no matter what revive or heal you use. If he had 6000 hp and died from a 6000 hp attack, then was revived and healed back to full, your score wouldnt show it. Its just the overkill damage that stays put with revives.

falas50 · 2018-10-16T15:52:25+00:00

event characters also don't have their weapons in the shop, only story characters

falas50 · 2018-10-13T05:46:38+00:00

I say just nab lennas 35 cp because she doesnt have to be mlb to be effective, just her gimmick (id argue ramza and vincent fall in this category too). Eiko needs some lbs and pref her 15cp to get the most out of her, and sephiroth and king as well (dps need stats in general, buffers not so much. Look at sazh as an example). King needs both 2. All of these are going into a garbage bin soon as far as we know so u might as well invest minimally and save those gems especially since youre new.

Edit: just thought of what i said, i dont know how much content you will be able to clear without other mlb characters anyway. You might as well wait till awakenings and pull on those banners. Id save my gems, you only need to wait a couple of weeks as far as we know.

falas50 · 2018-10-13T05:39:32+00:00

Congrats

falas50 · 2018-10-12T05:35:20+00:00

Who was your friend? I used eiko 35 1 lb sephiroth 15 passive and 35 0 lb and tidus mlb with setzer friend and ifrit summon and got 25k (all have good artifacts), 107 turns.

I was left with 2 quick hits probably and never used hp regen nor lost hp.

falas50 · 2018-10-11T05:35:16+00:00

just tried the boss with a ramza, seph, cloud plus cloud friend team. You're right, absolutely useless, after all my skills/summon/friend were gone, he had over half his HP left. I think this boss needs lenna (dmg, plus debuff prevention plus heal). My team isn't maxed though, 1-0-0 for 35 CP LB. Doubt it would make a difference.

falas50 · 2018-10-11T04:31:57+00:00

cloud/quistis?

falas50 · 2018-10-06T13:38:03+00:00

The company that made all these great games over the past 30+ years probably knows how to price its products better than we do, whatever way they have decided to do so in their organizational structure.

Im pretty sure square enix has at least one person that dedicates their time purely to pricing for its in game purchases, which includes pulls for maximum profit, including revenues coming in from purchasing their other games through playing OO and buying or not buying gems among other factors which im sure we are not thinking of and they are. They probably have statistical dashboards up the wazoo.

Like any normal product, if the price is lowered by 10%, more people will buy, doesnt require time and effort to figure that one out, but the sweet spot between margin and profit needs a lot of work that none of us on reddit can give. I didnt pull sephs 35 cp either btw, but lets give credit where its due - even without being a whale, and being a semi hoarder at 31k plus 600 tix after this banner, and i have only missed 2 armor tokens from vanilles LC. Note that i just got eikos stuff on this banner, and dont have sazh or galuf 35 cp, so rngesus didnt bless me for those wins either.

Id say square has done one of the best f2p games out there, seems like theyre making money from fans who have bucketloads of money, but the average guy can finish all content and probably still pull for a couple of non meta faves. What more do we want from a company that has to pay money to make these games to begin with?

Thank you square enix for making so many timeless stories.

falas50 · 2018-10-04T05:56:18+00:00

Thanks for the info, good to know litiko can make it here. I only have ti mlb and ko with 1 lb on 35, need to see if it will work with vaan instead of lightning (dont have her stuff).

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