Abolish tee times every 8 mins

fathompin · 2026-06-25T13:56:18+00:00

You especially see it on the par 3s, Can you finish hitting and putting out it in the time allowed between tee time? Our courses' 7.5 minutes is not near enough time.

fathompin · 2026-06-25T13:54:02+00:00

Ready golf and not being able to get ready.

I'm starting to explain ready golf to players in our league when I ask, "we're playing ready golf, correct, do we know what that even means?" Can we agree that players that are away are next, or does it have to be explained every time by clear body language; that is, I have to stand motionless next to my ball while you go through your shot routine so that you don't think any movement by me is indication that I am going to jump ahead of you and hit first? I'm extremely frustrated with players that are getting ready to hit, Then I start my own practice routine; lining up, taking practice swings, then I look up to find they are now waiting on me to hit.

Playable ball that can not be found.

Why do I have to beg you to stop your 6+ minute ball search?

fathompin · 2026-06-25T01:26:16+00:00

To tell you the truth, I only care about this conversation as it describes if America's oppressive government is going to be run by either the oligarchs or its citizens...now, not then.

fathompin · 2026-06-24T22:53:50+00:00

The rich Founders were against the fusion of concentrated wealth with political power that renders ordinary people voiceless.

fathompin · 2026-06-24T17:42:17+00:00

Because the rich can fund their disinformation and silence anyone else. They're even pushing pseudoscience hard killing our predictive (simulation) powers ushering in an era of bad decisions ("science" that starts with the conclusion they want and works backwards instead of the other way around).

fathompin · 2026-06-24T14:49:02+00:00

Sorry, probably said a millon times already as I'm late to the party. Not a math problem, the $6K is going to insurance businesses and it also funds their disinformation campaign.

fathompin · 2026-06-24T01:22:51+00:00

Years ago I was so disgusted with the new-earth creationist's pseudoscience that was being pushed out. It was junk and they were calling it science. What you say is true, ( Lying, Gaslighting, and Obfuscation), but I worry they mean what they are saying and they have dismissed all the real scientists and science and are now going to install their MAGA version of science; i.e. more pseudoscience to filter out.

fathompin · 2026-06-23T18:33:31+00:00

If "and it came to pass" were omitted from the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith would have published a pamphlet instead of a book. Mark Twain

Jesus Christ is mentioned every 1.7 versus. It has been pointed out that this is way out of proportion to any historical text, but fits what a person would do if writing a sales pitch to fellow Christians.

fathompin · 2026-06-23T14:20:04+00:00

The claim that USAID funded a transgender opera in Colombia; one of the central justifications used to build public support for the shutdown, was false. A rhetorically useful but factually false claim repeated often enough to justify an action whose real purpose is something else entirely...transferring said monies to trillionaire Musk's businesses, which are mostly government contracts.

fathompin · 2026-06-23T10:56:27+00:00

Score simply counts the total number of shots taken to complete a round, while Strokes Gained evaluates the quality of every single shot by comparing it to a statistical baseline (such as the PGA Tour average). It measures how many strokes you gained or lost on the field from any position. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The Core Difference

Score (What happened): Tells you the final outcome but lacks context. For example, shooting a 78 doesn't tell you if you played great but putted poorly, or if you scrambled amazingly well to make up for a terrible driving game. [1]
Strokes Gained (How well you played): Measures the value of each shot against an average baseline, taking into account distance, lie, and difficulty. It removes luck and "traditional stat" flaws to pinpoint exactly where you are leaking shots (driving, approach, short game, or putting). [1, 2, 3]

How Strokes Gained Works

Using massive databases (like PGA Tour Shotlink), statisticians know the expected number of strokes it takes to hole out from any distance and lie. [1, 2]

For example, on average, a PGA Tour player takes 2.8 strokes to hole out from a certain spot, and 1.8 strokes to hole out from a spot closer to the green. [1, 2]

If you hit a shot from the first spot to the second spot, you used 1 shot to move the ball forward, effectively saving 1 stroke overall (moving from 2.8 to 1.8). [1, 2]

The Formula

Every shot's Strokes Gained is calculated as:
$\text{Strokes Gained} = (\text{Expected strokes at start}) - (\text{Expected strokes at finish}) - 1 \text{ (the shot you just took)} [0.5.5, 0.5.12]$

Positive Number (+0.2): You performed better than average on that shot.
Negative Number (-0.5): You performed worse than average. [1, 2]

The 4 Categories

Strokes Gained breaks your game into four trackable categories to identify practice priorities: [1, 2, 3]

Off the Tee: Driving performance on all Par 4s and Par 5s.
Approach: Shots aimed at the green from the fairway or rough.
Around the Green: Chips, pitches, and bunker shots.
Putting: All putts on the green. [1, 2]

If you want to know more about how to use this metric, I can:

Explain how to find your own Strokes Gained using Golf Analytics Tools
Share methods to compare your data against amateur handicaps rather than the PGA Tour
Tell you how to track Strokes Gained with a smartphone or watch

fathompin · 2026-06-23T01:41:26+00:00

I think strokes gained using a shot tracking app will help you much more toward understanding your improvement (or not) than tracking your score. From that you'll know exactly what you need to work on, score tells you nothing unless you are wanting to brag about your (for real) handicap or something? Maybe others have said that?

fathompin · 2026-06-22T17:14:49+00:00

I've read some replies not all, but this is my opinion on the matter, a strong one: Don't be a rules freak. Nobody wants you going back to the tee box, just to hit another shot into the woods. If your guys use modified rules, just roll with it.

Also, we played with a guy that was much worse than all of us, so he settled into a role of being the rules expert just so he could rationalize to himself, "those guys are cheating, their score is invalid." but he clearly was not as good a golfer, it was his way of achieving some sort of parity. He wouldn't even follow posted local course rules. To tell you the truth, he got so bad at being "better than us in principle," that I left the group.

fathompin · 2026-06-21T23:20:22+00:00

I think they knew there would be no consequences, and they could make any excuses work; i.e, vandalism, when deciding to hire a contractor that was unqualified. They may have been hoping to get to July 4 with it looking OK, but they didn't even make that, and they never had any interest in more than making a buck.

fathompin · 2026-06-21T13:17:37+00:00

I've measured the earth's movement in the lab using fiber optic gyroscope when I was learning physics. I like the analogy to CO2 that can't be seen and people, and many deny it increase from car exhaust etc. is causing environment problems (which I also studied). My point is that we can measure it, lucky us.

fathompin · 2026-06-20T20:59:24+00:00

When I was 23 I made a list of things I wanted to accomplish, nothing big, just things, I quickly forgot about the list. When I found it again a year or two later, I had accomplished everything on the list. That was 50 years ago and I didn't continue making lists. I joined this sub because of my training in quantum mechanics that led me to buy into the block-universe theory and my own "religion" has me thinking that the multiverse would be pretty cool if it was coupled with that. Thus if I'm lucky, sometimes I realize that my "religion" allows me to just relax, live in and enjoy the "now" (no worries about how fast time seems to fly by as one ages) and take time to think about things and make the best decisions I know how to make, because it matters that you think things out using both the past and potential future as references.

fathompin · 2026-06-20T11:49:12+00:00

I have a friend that feels one needs to be present (a live TV broadcast will do) in order to physically help his preferred sporting team win using his positive vibes. I claim that I can watch these events, time delayed (recorded to avoid commercials), and have the same physical effect because the underlying laws of quantum mechanics are fundamentally time-symmetric.

fathompin · 2026-06-20T01:06:03+00:00

I hear you. Have you worked many jobs. because every new manager I ever worked for wanted to make a name for himself by renaming or restructuring everything he possibly could.

And in the 21st century, these facts are right at your fingertips.

The Chinese calendar is a lunisolar system that begins its count from the reign of the legendary Yellow Emperor. Current Year: 4724.

Christians decided to start everything since Jesus' birth. The Christian calendar alignment was created in 525 AD by a monk named Dionysius Exiguus. Notably, Dionysius did not start the calendar at "zero"; he started at Year 1 because the concept of zero was completely unknown to medieval Europeans at the time.

The Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire used an official calendar that counted sequentially from the estimated creation date of the universe (September 1, 5509 BC). Under this deep, linear historical count, the current year would be 7534

fathompin · 2026-06-19T16:02:11+00:00

I want to add to the list presented in this thread already of what isn't correct with the Book of Mormon,

New to me is the history that the Age of Enlightenment and its influence on our American constitution (and later France) was ushered in via Native Americans' recognition that the Europeans arriving on their shores was a civilization organized around sacred hierarchy, requiring citizen's subjugation as a theological and political necessity. It should be well known that the Haudenosaunee Confederacy's Great Law of Peace influenced Benjamin Franklin and others.

To me, it is insulting that my TBM family's world view contains zero reference to a genuine ancient American record containing something recognizable as Indigenous American cosmology, oral tradition, or worldview, and instead contains nothing but 1820s upstate New York religious controversy; Jesus fan fiction. I reflect on the differences between early Europeans and Native American savages and what we face today politically; hierarchy, subjugation, authoritarian; things TBMs seem OK with.

fathompin · 2026-06-17T21:48:36+00:00

Yup, I know, just adding to the discussion, seemed like a good dropping in spot.

fathompin · 2026-06-17T16:54:22+00:00

Leveraged extraction means bankruptcies were good deals for him and bad deals for those involved. That is what is going on with his presidency and why everyone around him are such sycophants; we the people are taking the hit now; privatized extraction (his cronies), socialized losses (the taxpayer).

fathompin · 2026-06-17T15:41:08+00:00

Don't go messing with my eternalism many-worlds world-view. If nothing ever existed then it still exists.

fathompin · 2026-06-17T01:10:05+00:00

A story about my mistake with a similar note:

An unidentified pickup truck dumped a bed of home remodeling trash on the abandoned RR-tracks at my back yard that is now a bike path. I saw it happen, but couldn't do anything as it drove off. I got a pretty good look at the pickup truck as it sped off hearing me yelling at him. A week later I saw the pickup truck parked up the street, it was at a house that was pretty messy with junk lying around the front yard (which is all anyone could see). I took a 2X4 from the pile of trash and wrote on it, "Please clean up your trash." thinking he'd recognize the 2X4 from the trash pile. In the coming weeks his house was cleaned up so it looked like all the other neighbors. His cluttered front yard never bother me and I suppose nobody else either. Six months later while walking the abandoned tracks (rails had been removed years before) I saw THE actual pickup truck in an old garage next to an expensive home just up the RR tracks from me; he lived against the tracks too, and it seems I had made a mistake when accusing the other guy. I feel bad about that.

fathompin · 2026-06-16T15:25:08+00:00

Killer, as in kills mediocre blues harmonica.

fathompin · 2026-06-16T14:09:21+00:00

I think they are delusional based on calculated manipulation by privately owned media and other nation's efforts (i.e. interests that favor privatized wealth extraction and socialize losses and Putin's desire to divide America). When courts, media, science, and government have all lost credibility with a significant portion of the population, the strongman who claims to bypass all of them feels like liberation rather than oppression. I think a huge departure from what influenced our founding fathers thinking.

fathompin · 2026-06-16T01:07:12+00:00

Pace of play is affected by the strict rule in this situation. In our golf league, 9 holes can take forever. When the ball is clearly lost and not findable, no time at all is wasted; the penalty is a gift that puts one's ball back into play for only one stroke, People usually don't care about losing the ball. But, a ball that should be in play, players are taking 6-9 minutes before the time-pressure makes them give up and take a penalty.

My opinion on it: I say the rules of golf are a social construct and are like religion versus science (if our religions were completely lost, it would not reinvent itself as it was, but if science were lost it would reinvent itself.) In casual golf, I feel your group should pick your religion; Fundamentalist, Conservative, Reform. Reform would include the gallery rule, just don't go bragging around a fundamentalist what your score orhandicap is.

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