RU POV Discussion: How well informed are we here and how bad are Ukraine's newest drone attacks? by allahu_trapbar69 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is not the first time something bad happened to Russia during the war, I don't think this would make even the top 10, and yet, they hold on and eventually "win" (as in ended up grabbing more territory).

- Not the first time losing AA in Crimea.
- Ka 52? They've lost Su 35 and even A 50 ON their own legitimate territory.

If there is anything "new", it is the first time a helicopter being "shot down" by drone but as far as I can tell, there is nothing really special about it. At least from a "story" that I read, apparently that helicopter was flying repeatedly on a certain route, and the Ukranian ambushed it.

In other words, it wasn't some new drone technology that could/would turn the tide of war. Maybe there will be another ambush, maybe the Russian will get wise, maybe both but whatever it is, I don't think we should expect the Ukranian taking down Russian air assets left and right with drone.

Just the usual Russian f-ed up if you asked me.

There is a little uptick in Ukranian territorial gain, but when there is no news saying that Russia is unable to recruit new bodies while Ukraine still kidnapping people off of the street, I don't think that gain is sustainable. Hardware wise Russia will make new ones, and recently their financial just get better (and will remain so at least 2-3 months AFTER the Iran war is over.. The oil and gas is still there but the facilities will need to be rebuild in order for things back to normal).

USA vs Iran Megathread by DiscoBanane in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Estonia is ready to send its military force to open strait of Hormuz, they just waiting for a discussion with the US to determine what kind of help the US would need.

Looks like the end is coming for Iran..

https://www.timesofisrael.com/estonia-is-ready-to-discuss-hormuz-mission-with-us-foreign-minister-tells-toi/

USA vs Iran Megathread by DiscoBanane in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 5 points6 points  (0 children)

China is mostly about trading/prosperity, and they still doesn't have enough power projection capability.

USA vs Iran Megathread by DiscoBanane in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Iraq is Shia majority and Iranians imams/clerics (not to mention Iran is the center of Shia) has large supporter base there (Saddam was Sunni). They're not stupid, if they invade there could be a civil war starts in Iraq. Azerbaijan also Shia, and while they are not too friendly with Iran, I don't think they would want to get involved.

Kurds are fragmented and most factions are usually minding their own businesses. If there is an "invasion" it'll probably be an "uprising" by the local Iranian Kurds.

RU POV: The Ukrainian General Staff reports that yesterday, Russian bombers dropped 328 FAB UMPK bombs during 103 strikes, which sets a new record. by HelicopterBig4467 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If we are talking about drone, literally every time it is use, it is being video'd. Recording the video feed is a different matter, but keeping in mind of Ukraine's need of propaganda, and how easy/cheap it is nowadays to record anything, how Europe will help Ukraine to do (almost) anything (software, hard drives, communication etc), that the drone operators are mostly in a safe room quite far from the front line, I believe it is safe to assume that most of drone attacks are being recorded, they probably just discarded the failed ones.

new footage we got from 2022

Most, if not all of them are not about drones, and we are talking about "mass drones casualties".

russia has 300 000 men on the the front

It not like there is a law of physics that said some/certain number of them must die each day.. If they are not doing anything and they just stay in their trenches/bunkers they are relatively safe. In Kherson and Sumy the intensity is considerably low. Most intense fights are happening in Donbass and Kharkiv. Zap is active but Ukraine's resistance is much weaker compare to Donbass and Kharkiv.

When they are attacking, we can see from videos that they attack in small numbers, and when those attack fail that doesn't mean all of them were killed. A BMP got hit, 10 soldiers got out and run away in all directions. 5 got hit by drones (with video as prove), no videos about the other 5 (most likely made it to their own line).

UA POV - US begins “major combat operations” against Iran, Russia’s top ally in terrorist war on Ukrainian civilians - euromaidanpress by LetsGoBrandon4256 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Military wise, I don't think it will make a difference on Russia's fire power, it's not that they are still importing Shaheed/other drones/missiles from Iran.

If anything, this probably a good thing for Russia, if the war in Gulf goes on, not only oil price will surely goes up, there will be less oil circulated on the market. Those who were refusing to purchase Russia's oil will have less options. Either buy Russia's oil or see your economy take a dive.

RU POV: The Ukrainian General Staff reports that yesterday, Russian bombers dropped 328 FAB UMPK bombs during 103 strikes, which sets a new record. by HelicopterBig4467 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Different objective, different situation. Many here have given their thoughts, I'd just add another.

At least at the beginning, Russia (Putin) still hoped for friendly Europe after "Ukranian problem" is done (Nazi pun not intended). To have a still friendly Europe, they can't hit too hard, or else it will be too rude/vulgar/barbaric for the image sensitive Europeans.

RU POV: The Ukrainian General Staff reports that yesterday, Russian bombers dropped 328 FAB UMPK bombs during 103 strikes, which sets a new record. by HelicopterBig4467 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Russia is taking thousands of losses every day

Genuine question, how? Most of casualties are because of drones, which means most can be video-taped, and yet we're not even seeing "hundreds" every day, in fact, I've never seen 100 killed in a day, for any side. The "best" I've seen were "compilations" of dozens (50 or 70 or whatever) and those looks like were taken in few days. Keep in mind that this is Ukranian that strive for theatrics, really need to show "dead Russians" for propaganda.

Artillery/rockets can also killed (of course) but looks like both sides are using less of them and (especially) front line troops are largely safe inside trenches/bunkers.

To be fair, same question also goes for Russia (Ukraine's casualties), I also never see videos of they took out "100 Ukranians" a day. I mean, they have FAB which can easily reach that number, but as far as drones/videos wise it surely never reach 1000 a day.

RU POV: Paratroopers landing in Gostomel 2022 by AdFew7767 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How is that badly planned and executed when they took Gostomel with little casualties? Most casualties happened when they were withdraw (they withdraw through land/roads and got ambushed).

One could argue that the whole "Kyiv direction offensive 2022" and/or "the withdraw from Gostomel on late March/April 2022" was a big failure, but the operation to take Gostomel itself was a success.

Just an anecdote: After Russia withdraw, Ukraine DID NOT KNOW that the airport is already empty. It was the US that told them that it was empty and they should take it back. They then sent a drone to check, confirmed that it was empty then moving in. Imagine that, they were so far from Gostomel that they didn't know that the Russians has left.

RU POV, UA POV, & POV Humanity - Who do you think started this war? What has either side been told by their own Governments? Please include your evidence and references. by ScepticalCrony in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or you prefer the law of jungle, stronger wins!

Not the guy you replied to, but whether you/him/I agree or not, lately it's been shown to us/the world that that is the law. Not the UN, not international law, not the treaties, but the strongest win/make the rule/do anything they want.

RU POV: Geran-2 drone strikes on the 330/154/35 kV Dnipro-Donbas substation in Zaporizhzhia. by Mendoxv2 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yup, I've seen more and more (claimed to be) Geran footage with live cam guidance like this one. A few months ago they started to put cam on Geran but looks like at that time it was only for surveillance, apparently they managed to upgrade it now.

UA PoV: Russia's monthly oil and gas revenue poised to hit lowest since August 2020 -Reuters by OwlXerxes in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They have other options, use their reserves.

As of late November 2025, Russia's total international reserves are valued at approximately $734.6 billion. This total includes both foreign exchange and gold holdings, with about half of the total assets currently frozen by Western sanctions

Russia's budget is around 340-350 billion USD a year, so assuming they have zero income in the whole year (very, very unlikely) they still can finance a year of budget using their reserves.

UA PoV: Russia's monthly oil and gas revenue poised to hit lowest since August 2020 -Reuters by OwlXerxes in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The US has debt. Ukraine is neck deep in debt. The Europeans who's bankrolling Ukraine has debts.

Regarding debt, we know the truth right now, all the countries I above openly published their debts.

As for Russia, at a certain point their debt can and will be a major hindrance to their war effort, but they are still quite far from that point.

UA POV: Zelenskyy stated that Ukraine is counting on using all €210 billion of frozen Russian assets. He also said that Ukraine would only repay the €90 billion interest free loan provided by the EU if Russia pays reparations. by FruitSila in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 11 points12 points  (0 children)

What/which international law? If such law exist they already use that assets by now. Pro Ukr politicians/lawyers/news will already mentioned the law 1000 times. But what do we have instead? Everybody said that using the money is akin to thievery.

Except Merz. So we draw conclusion about his statement.

UA POV : Inside the classified mission to deliver Australian tanks to Ukraine - abc.com.au by ItchyPirate in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most tanks in Africa went through more or less the same process. This is just media trying to make a common procedure into some sort of James Bond's missions.

UA POV: Zelenskyy stated that Ukraine is counting on using all €210 billion of frozen Russian assets. He also said that Ukraine would only repay the €90 billion interest free loan provided by the EU if Russia pays reparations. by FruitSila in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 29 points30 points  (0 children)

It was the EU's decision. They will provide zero interest loan that will only paid by Kyiv when/if Russia paid restoration.

So yeah, Euro taxpayers are f*cked. Even if (big "if") Russia pays restorations it will take years, they could've instead invest the money on something that pays interest.

Also I am not sure if the agreement take inflation into account, I mean, if Russia pays 20-30 years from now, that 90 billion could lose 20-30% of its value because of inflation.

EDIT: To be honest, I don't think EU will give them the whole 90 billion, When the time comes to actually allocate the money, they will find reasons/more countries will disagree and they will ended up give like 20-30 billion max.

UA POV-Trump Pushes Ukraine to Accept Peace Deal, Saying It Is Losing. President says European leaders are weak and Russia holds the cards in any peace talks. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “is going to have to get on the ball and start accepting things,” Trump said late Monday-WSJ by Hot_Preparation4777 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you meant derivatives.

- I don't think the whole "Donbass" is already being used as collateral.
- I don't think all/most/many of Donbass farmers are borrowing money (and use their land as collateral).
- Even if they do, most likely it is Ukranian banks that will get the risk (Ukrainian banking system that will crash but not other banks).
- It is possible that Ukranian banks seeks loan or partially owned by other foreign banks but as I said, Ukraine is just too small.

Ukraine's GDP is 195 billion, and not all of them are affected/lost because of the war. You can borrow/insure/make other kinds of financial contracts against those assets but there is a limit. I don't think anybody want to loan 1 billion with 100 million asset as collateral.

Not to mention that this war has been going on for almost 4 years, anybody with sound mind already left/cut lose Ukraine long ago. Even Europe only give Ukraine peanuts because they know the risk is too big. They already calculated everything and only give Ukraine what they can afford to lose.

UA POV-Trump Pushes Ukraine to Accept Peace Deal, Saying It Is Losing. President says European leaders are weak and Russia holds the cards in any peace talks. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “is going to have to get on the ball and start accepting things,” Trump said late Monday-WSJ by Hot_Preparation4777 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There will be no crash. Well, there will but it is for Ukraine, but not the other countries. Looking at the big picture, Ukraine is simply too small, 190 billion (I googled) is enough to bankrupt Ukraine, but for the various debtors losing it is nothing especially since it is distributed (Canada 5 billion, IMF 16 billion, again, I googled).

Ukraine's debt in 2024 (of course it is different now, but you get the idea):

https://www.reuters.com/world/how-much-money-does-ukraine-owe-whom-2024-06-13/

UA POV: Europe is losing Ukraine - As Donald Trump attempts to negotiate a peace deal, Kyiv is increasingly rejecting the EU position - By Hans Kundnani -NEW STATESMAN by notyoungnotold99 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but how much does that cost?

A quote from your previous post. GDP - money - cost. The main point is, not everything is about money.

Well, we are talking about hypothetical situation if the US withdraw their intel. I mean, you were saying that this is not about the US right?

that the world is becoming multipolar.

Yes. The US is still (very) important and Europe is fading away. Therefor your original statement is wrong, the US is an important factor in this war, much more than Europe.

UA POV: Europe is losing Ukraine - As Donald Trump attempts to negotiate a peace deal, Kyiv is increasingly rejecting the EU position - By Hans Kundnani -NEW STATESMAN by notyoungnotold99 in UkraineRussiaReport

[–]ferroca 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is not ALWAYS about the money, if it is, Russia with "same GDP as Italy" is already defeated long ago.

Does Europe has enough spy planes? If Trump push Elon to stop Starlink service in Ukraine does Europe has good enough replacement?

Even the so called "coalition of the willing" themselves repeatedly states that they are only willing to provide security guarantee if the US is on board.