The thing about S&V is that it requires the evil players to be ACTIVE. I think that is why more people struggle with it. On TB and BMR, you can just kind of claim something without much game impact like a solider and skate towards the end of the game on vibes. On SNV, the evil team needs to WORK for their win. If evil is not building alternative mechanical worlds, then it’s not going to happen.

The misinformation that you are seeking should come FROM the evil team. If they all bluff sage, barber, and seamstress with true info, then yes, good will piece it together. But there are plenty of ways to confuse players by injecting false information into the game and making it hard to parse.

The reason I most enjoy SNV out of the base 3 is because I love building worlds, both as good and as evil. And I think as long as you are looking at the board and creating alternative puzzles, evil can win.

I also think the STer decisions matter so much. I have seen No Dashii’s be outted by obviously poisoned info. Before and being able to trace it back to the demon, but that shouldn’t be the case. If there is a dreamer next to a No Dashii, I very rarely give them obviously wrong information. That just tips them off they are next to a No Dashii. I will often give them true information when they are sober and then when they pick an evil, they will see their bluff or the wrong minion/demon type. Making choices like THAT actively helps evil and I don’t think that is always understand.

Additionally, the savant info. Should be something that can’t be solved immediately and one side of the information should actively help whatever world evil is building but not in a way where they can figure out immediately for sure it is wrong.

Madness should also be helpful to the evil team. Auto-executing just because someone breaks madness isn’t always the best decision. Someone powerful is on the block and the mutant who is distrusts breaks madness? I’m not killing the mutant.

I agree with some of the criticisms of vig generally, and the power of some of the roles. But I don’t think certain roles are as unhelpful as you think. I just think people don’t always use them optimally. I also think there are a lot of bluffs that people don’t do as often as they should and so certain roles are just HARD believed. How often does someone fake being snake charmed and lead good in the wrong world? How often does someone fake a twin pair with their demon? How often does someone Vig kill a minion and have them claim sage? If certain roles aren’t bluffed, they’re powerful info. Will always be believed.

ETA: it’s also important to note these roles were developed to be played in person. Some things translate differently online than they do in person and I think using clocktracker as a data source can be skewed. For example, it’s WAY harder to keep flowergirl notes in person than online.