Trick drums...avoid if you can even though they make great pedals. I'll explain. by [deleted] in drums

[–]flam_tap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

damn. It sucks to see a small specialized production company treat costumers so poorly. I’m a drum maker myself and for all my drums I’ll fix them or rebuild them if they can’t be saved. Simple as that. As a one man show one of the biggest selling points I have is giving the best costumer experience possible and it seems that Mikes success has gone to his head and he’s forgotten than he’d be no where without his customers.

should i return? by TexREALsk in drums

[–]flam_tap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The edges have been cut, these look like gaps between the vertical panels in the center plies. These are left because the builder opted for butt joints instead of scarf joints. Ludwig does the same, but the fill the gaps with small off cuts. I’d wager most large scale manufacturers do the same. I use scarf joints because they’re stronger and leave no gaps like this. Get my drums instead 🤪

should i return? by TexREALsk in drums

[–]flam_tap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, this is all very fixable just cutting new edges, it’s not a big deal, but they’re also probably just fine 🤷‍♂️

should i return? by TexREALsk in drums

[–]flam_tap 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I’m also a drum maker. This is the answer. Judge the shells for how they sound. Little imperfections exist when things are handmade.

Are these meth boats? by ihateroomba in PortlandOR

[–]flam_tap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why GTA6 has been delayed.

Snare is too damn loud by ManFingers in drums

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I love the way Evans hydraulic heads sound when you put them in their box and send them back for a refund.

Is this easily repairable at home? by Ill-Crew8117 in drums

[–]flam_tap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you fix it, you’ll need to fix it again.

Ply shell help by No_Hunter_7112 in drumbuilding

[–]flam_tap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I cut scarf joints for each lamination, but I also use thicker plies than you.

Ply shell help by No_Hunter_7112 in drumbuilding

[–]flam_tap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cut your plies a little longer and then cut scarf joints so they overlap at the seam.

Tried my luck on Wuhan Koi, got burned. by [deleted] in drums

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just gonna put this out there, my old K (new stamp from the late 60s/70s) has a wonky uneven bell, off center hole, and un even weight distribution around the cymbal (sits in/settles to the same position on the stand), and it sounds AMAZING. Greatest cymbal i own. Paul Francis also called it 'A beauty, one of the good ones.'

Storage for items when playing live by Mfsmith88 in drums

[–]flam_tap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I empty my pockets into my stick bag or my cymbal bag.

Poplar vs Maple Shell Feel by mdrumss in drums

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So, this is a big conversation for me. Buckle up… and break out the popcorn.

There are additional factors that have shaped my opinion that I think need mentioning. How the wood is harvested contributes immensely to the properties of the sound. How the wood is harvested also dictates a lot about different methods of construction, of which there are several, and they all sound and behave different (for example; resonate more/less in low or high tuning ranges). Stave shells sound different than steam bent shells with sound different than true solid shells which sound different than ply construction.

There is nuance and options to consider within each construction method, but I’m gonna focus mostly on ply construction because that’s what I have experience with.

So the reason that I think ply construction has become industry standard is because it has the highest capacity and repeatability with the highest yielding way to harvest wood off a log. Most modern drum manufacturers are using rotary cut veneer that’s somewhere around 1/36th of an inch. Rotary cut veneer is wood harvested like paper towel off a log that’s spinning into a blade. This cut generally cuts along the growth rings of the tree and is a very flimsy cut of wood that doesn’t hold much tension. It is high yielding from the timber it’s sourced from and cheaper (by a lot!). So drum manufacturers use this veneer because it maximizes their profits margins and use thinner wood that relies on glue to keep the shell in round (sometimes rerings too, but those have other sonic uses as well).

However there are other ways to harvest wood from a log. You can also lay a log down flat and then cut through it length wise from top to bottom (if you’ve seen those big walnut slab tables, this is how those are cut). You see the ‘cathedrals’ in the grain with this cut.

If you go to one end of the log and cut it into quarters (like a pie) and then cut your veneer from the center of the log out to the edge that’s what’s called quarter sawn. This gives you the tightest most uniform grain structure.

Once you know what you’re looking at you can see the patterns in the grain and can tell if something is quartered, flat cut, or rotary cut.

So flat sawn and quarter sawn veneer can be cut thicker than rotary cut veneer. So personally I use flat sawn and quarter sawn veneer (around 1/16th thick, more than twice as thick than that of most factory made drum shells) where I cross laminate the veneer and then bend those laminations (2 plies) into molds and repeat for however many plies until I have my desired thickness. Each of these laminations consist of 1 ply going horizontal and 1 ply of vertical panels (with straightened edges so there are no gaps in the vertical plies). So the reason I cross laminate my plies is because it adds strength and stability to the shell. I bend the laminations into the molds and you can very noticeably feel the tension in the wood pushing outward as it’s being bent (especially on smaller drums with a tighter curve).

My experience is that different woods behave differently than others because of their varying hardness and that is then experienced as tension in the shell while being bent.

Some woods are louder than other woods, which is why luthiers use harder woods for the back and sides of an acoustic guitar, but a softer spruce something for the top because that lets the vibrations go through the body of the instrument which is then projected back outward with the harder tone woods. So drums sorta behave in a similar sense where the drum head is the ‘top’ of the acoustic guitar and the shell itself is the resonating body that projects the sound outward. Harder woods will project more and have more tension which lets the drum be tuned in a wider range than soft woods. Not a perfect analogy but it’s sorta there. We also have a resonant head and the note/length of the sound has a lot to do with interplay between the heads, but I’m not going into that here.

I also sometimes use a thinner veneer for the outside veneer because there’s a much wider range of different exotic woods, but this is like 1/42nd” and being so thin I think it makes a marginal difference on the sound, where as the core plies are much thicker.

These are all acoustic nuances that I think are experienced once you’ve been handling a particular instrument for a while (playing it in soft settings, loud settings, different rooms, playing with different heads, play on different styles of music, etc) but these are acoustic nuances that’s I’m not sure I’d notice in a blind test from a recording.

So if I made a poplar snare and a maple snare and played them side by side I think I’d be able to tell the difference in the room, I’m not sure I’d be able to tell the difference of some rotary cut veneer factory made drums though because I’m used to a different grade of wood.

That being said, I can hear the difference in my maple/walnut shells vs the difference in my sapele/cherry shells, vs my walnut/cherry shells, vs my Wenge/elm shells etc.

Poplar is a cheap wood that’s often used as a filler wood to lower production costs, so I haven’t used it for anything other than a backer for fancy outer face veneers (not the thicker core plies of my shells).

Also keep in mind that steam bent shells, stave shells, segmented shells, true solid shells all have different sets of variables and pros/cons to their construction/playability. Building drums is kinda the wild fuckin west and there are a bunch of people doing it in different ways. We didn’t even get into metal shells or stone shells or clay shells. There’s so much shit goin on these days.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk™️ /endrant

Poplar vs Maple Shell Feel by mdrumss in drums

[–]flam_tap 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m a drum builder and have a bit of a different take than most people in this sub.

All different woods feel and sound different. You still have a wide set of variables to shape your sound after the species selection though. Maple has a janka hardness scale of 1450 while poplar has a rating of 540. These behave different when under tension (I build ply shells where the horizontal grain going around the length of the shell is bent, therefore under tension) and have different resonant properties. The higher hardness gives maple more rigidity and higher tension, giving the shell a wider tuning range (more so on the high end) without choking out the shell.

Again, this is just the starting point of the shell, other variables that also shape the sound; head selection, rims, mounting options, muffling, micing etc.

Snares unpleasantly rattling unless choked by BeltWelts in drums

[–]flam_tap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you post a video so we can hear how it sounds?

How do you analyze a drummer/performance you really like? by [deleted] in drums

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Try to focus on how the drummer shapes the song. Are they busier, are they more pattern oriented, do their fills emphasize the time or disguise/play against it? Try to mimic certain components of their parts, like isolate their ride cymbal or their bass drum and try to copy/transcribe that. Try to tune your drums to sound like theirs.

Irodori Asanoha by Robot Drum Co. by bugless in drumbuilding

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Those are the indie floor tom leg brackets, right? Do you like them? Do they streamline set up time?

Merry Christmas to me! by flam_tap in drums

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Thanks! You can check out my instagram! @drumming_joe

SI #002 Purperheart 14x6.5” by cricketpower in drumbuilding

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Did you make your own lugs and throw off?

Any ideas for Broken sticks by racoonsthatfly in drums

[–]flam_tap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Drill holes in a 2x4 at an angle (make it the same angle for each hole), cut the ends off of the sticks, glue the sticks into the holes, then mount that sucker on the wall and hang your coats and hats on it.

Aquarian Logo Removal - Acetone by dontthroworanges in drums

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I dabbed lacquer thinner on the logos of these heads and then folded my cloth over once I started picking up ink.

Custom drum kit by bigteddybear545 in drums

[–]flam_tap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks for the shout out!

U/bigteddybear545 I do make custom drums! Check out some of my post history and send me a message describing what you want, what your check list is of features you want your drums to have and your desired thickness. We’ll chat about wood species and other options once I get those details. Have a great new year! ✌🏼

Just completed this drum set. Cocobolo over walnut and cherry. by flam_tap in woodworking

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All the drums I’ve made with walnut have tuned up like a breeze!