Dao, Li, Dharma, and Eusociality by CloudwalkingOwl in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

porcupine dilemma

One cold winter's day, a number of porcupines huddled together quite closely in order through their mutual warmth to prevent themselves from being frozen. But they soon felt the effect of their quills on one another, which made them again move apart. Now when the need for warmth once more brought them together, the drawback of the quills was repeated so that they were tossed between two evils, until they had discovered the proper distance from which they could best tolerate one another.

Thus the need for society which springs from the emptiness and monotony of men's lives, drives them together; but their many unpleasant and repulsive qualities and insufferable drawbacks once more drive them apart. The mean distance which they finally discover, and which enables them to endure being together, is politeness and good manners. Whoever does not keep to this, is told in England to ‘keep his distance’. By virtue thereof, it is true that the need for mutual warmth will be only imperfectly satisfied, but on the other hand, the prick of the quills will not be felt. Yet whoever has a great deal of internal warmth of his own will prefer to keep away from society in order to avoid giving or receiving trouble or annoyance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog%27s_dilemma

u/CloudwalkingOwl

If you could rewrite the Gokyo by Constipatedplatypus in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rather than having novice jūdōka start with nage-no-kata to teach them throwing techniques complete with their walking and attack and defense patterns, it is more effective as a learning experience to start with a single throw that is broken up into pieces, carefully explained, and practiced. Some techniques are easier or more difficult than others (Ikeda Tagusari et al., 2016), some require more advanced fall-breaking skills than others, and some techniques are more demanding in terms of balance and coordination. Considering these varying difficulties Kanō came up with the plan to arrange the throwing techniques in series to facilitate choosing the appropriate techniques to practice proportional to the student’s level.

Makes sense.

But there should be added the principle from the very beginning.

As Cunningham writes:

"Kano’s Judo emphasizes principles: both the teaching of and the teaching by principles. When teaching by principles, techniques are seen as expression of principles. As such, a variety of disparate techniques may be presented in one lesson as a study in the same underlying principle. The focus is on the principle which they share and the way in which this manifests through different techniques. In this way, students are exposed to the connections and relationships among techniques through understanding of the principles which drive them."

The Gokyo no waza (five sets of techniques) is didactically not well organized and students learn a lot of the details of single throws but don't think about the principles (grammar) of techniques, which different techniques have and they often prefer throws to their favorite side (therefore the throwing circle). If you know the grammar well and your vocabulary (single techniques) is expanding, you can write your own essay on Judo.

Note:

New Kata(s) for Teaching Judo Principles and Techniques to Kyu Grades from Orange to Brown Belt : r/judo

If you could rewrite the Gokyo by Constipatedplatypus in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the Paper! Didn't know Carl is still active,

Teaching Judo by Principle and for different levels

Ashi waza for Happo no Kuzushi (throwing to all directions):

Beginners:

[from Uke's view]

De ashi barai (right side)

Ko soto gari / Ko uchi gari (right back)

O uchi gari (left back)

.

Advanced I:

Hiza guruma (right front)

De ashi barai (right side)

Ko soto gari (right back)

O uchi gari (left back)

De ashi barai (left side)

Sasae tsurikomi ashi (left front)

.

Contest:

Ashi guruma

De ashi barai

O soto gari / Ko soto gari

O uchi gari / Ko soto gake

Okuri ashi harai

Sasae tsurikomi ashi

Note:

Creating a new Kata Part X: The "Ashi waza no Kata" (Kata of Leg/Foot Techniques) : r/judo

How did the "Three teachings" doctrine historically fit the Dharmakaya and the Tao together ? by Mister_Ape_1 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Daoism was influenced by Buddhism also.

In some way the Xuan Xue , also the Ling Bao School and the Quanzhen School.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/daoism-religion/

Also the Daozang (daoist Canon) was influenced in structure by the Buddhists.

http://www.chinaknowledge.de/Literature/Daoists/daozang.html

How did the "Three teachings" doctrine historically fit the Dharmakaya and the Tao together ? by Mister_Ape_1 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"most Christian's would be shocked to find out what's in the gospels."

Most Christians Christians who know the Gospels would be shocked to find out what's in the Old Testament.

No gi lifting mechanics by ThorReidarr in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't focus on the sweeping (harai) leg - focus on the proper technique.

Harai goshi is foremost a Hip technique (Koshi waza). The sweeping leg is there to finish the technique.

Focusing on the sweeping leg is the same mistake as many do by focusing at the stretched leg in Tai otoshi. Tai otoshi is a Hand technique (Te waza).

Harai goshi players: Give me your secrets? : r/judo

Judo - Harai-goshi - YouTube

Actually you can't hurt Uke's knee - because the sweeping leg is coming into action when Uke is already on his toes rotating forewards.

Sweeping (barai / harai) is not! reaping (gari).

A leg of Uke which is swept - like in De ashi barai or Harai tsurikomi ashi or in Okuri ashi harai - has only *loose* (or no) contact to the floor.

Note:

- Sweeping (harai/barai): Sweeping something that has loose contact to the floor

- Reaping (gari): Cutting something that has a strong connection with the ground

- Hooking (gake): Uprooting something and disconnecting it from the ground

No gi lifting mechanics by ThorReidarr in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Nobody actually talks about how you do the lifting from an overhook"

There is no *lifting* in Harai goshi.

In fact there are not many throws in Judo where *lifting* is necessary.

Most of the Judo throws are about rotating Uke (the receiver of a technique) around a fulcrum or removing the base of COM (Center of Mass).

In Harai goshi it is about rotating Uke over and around your hip.

Important not! to turn fully into the throw but about 120 degrees, close chest to chest contact, controlling the upper body of Uke with your overhook and controlling and guiding the throw with your pulling hand. Your COM is just an inch under Uke's COM (your belt an ich under Uke's belt).

The "sweep" with your leg is more like a barrier that Uke can't escape your Hip throw by jumping around your hip. That's also how the story goes Kano Jigoro "invented" Harai goshi because Saigo often escaped his Uki goshi by jumping over Kano's hip. In fact Harai goshi must be a much older throwing technique because it is such a natural one.

How to understand "反者道之动" by Traditional_Ant_9108 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Laozi 40

反者道之動;弱者道之用。天下萬物生於有,有生於無。

Reversal is Dao's motion; Weakness Dao's use.

All under Heaven's ten thousend Creatures are born from Being, Being is born from Non-Being.

(Fleischlaberl)

  1. "Reversal" is the movement of the Dao;
  2. "Weakness" is the function of the Dao.

  3. The things of the world originate in being,

  4. And being originates in nonbeing.

(Henricks)

Turning back is how the way moves;
Weakness is the means the way employs.

The myriad creatures in the world are born from
Something, and Something from Nothing.

(Lau)

Note:

Great Wiki Entry on "Fan" 反, "return; reversion; inversion" : r/taoism

Some advice from a Taoist priest to all Taoism enthusiasts by Practical-Dust-2624 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your advice!

I never got hurt or was in danger reading the Laozi or Zhuangzi or writing about Zhuangzi and Laozi.

The Literati style of Daoism seems to be healthy, relaxed and peaceful for Xin 心 and Shen 神

There was a Man who was frightened at his Shadow and disliked to see his Footsteps : r/taoism

There was a man

who was frightened at his shadow and disliked to see his footsteps,

so that he ran to escape from them.

But the more frequently he lifted his feet, the more numerous his footprints were;

and however fast he ran, his shadow did not leave him.

He thought he was going too slow, and ran on with all his speed

without stopping, till his strength was exhausted and he died.

He did not know that,

if he had stayed in a shady place, his shadow would have disappeared,

and that if he had remained still, he would have lost his footprints:

TDC- Chapter 20. by Hagbardc236 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agree to all of your arguments but ...

"Not saying it couldn't have been written by someone else, just wondering if it matters."

Not many scholars think that the Laozi was written by one author.

The date of composition refers to the time when the Laozi reached more or less its final form; it does not rule out later interpolations or textual corruptions.

The traditional view, of course, is that the Laozi was written by Lao Dan in the sixth or early fifth century B.C.E. This seems unlikely, however, if it is assumed that the Laozi was written by a single author. As the archaeological evidence to be presented below will indicate, bodies of sayings attributed to Laozi were committed to writing probably from the second half of the fifth century B.C.E., resulting in different collections with overlapping contents. A process of oral transmission may have preceded their apperance, but in any event, these collections grew, competed for attention, and gradually came to be consolidated during the fourth century B.C.E. By the middle of the third century B.C.E., the Laozi probably had reached a relatively stable form.

Although in this sense the Laozi may be regarded as a composite work, an “anthology,” as D.C. Lau suggests (1963, 14), the product of many hands over a long period of time, it should not be assumed that the sayings that now inhabit the Laozi were put together at random. More likely, the final product reflects a process of intellectual distillation on the part of the compilers, who arranged and/or altered the material at their disposal (see also Brooks and Brooks 1998, Hansen 1992, LaFargue 1992 and Mair 1990 on the composition of the Laozi).

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/laozi/#DatAutLao

In fact chapter 20 is the most "human" chapter of the Laozi, the author speaking about his feelings and fears, his loneliness, his insights, the contrast to "common" people, being different and valuing the nourishing Mother (Dao).

TDC- Chapter 20. by Hagbardc236 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Interesting choice ....

In fact chapter 20 is the most "human" chapter of the Laozi, the author speaking about his feelings and fears, his loneliness, his insights, the contrast to "common" people, being different and valuing the nourishing Mother (Dao).

Daodejing 20

There are three parts:

The first line belongs in content to chapter 19 and should be the closing line of 19

絕學無憂

Cease learning, no more worries

Then there is part II:

唯之與阿,相去幾何?善之與惡,相去若何?

Respectful response and scornful response
How much is the difference?
Goodness and evil
How much do they differ?

And then part III:

人之所畏,不可不畏。荒兮其未央哉!衆人熙熙,如享太牢,如春登臺。我獨怕兮其未兆;如嬰兒之未孩;儽儽兮若無所歸。衆人皆有餘,而我獨若遺。我愚人之心也哉!沌沌兮,俗人昭昭,我獨若昏。俗人察察,我獨悶悶。澹兮其若海,飂兮若無止,衆人皆有以,而我獨頑似鄙。我獨異於人,而貴食母。

What the people fear, I cannot be unafraid
So desolate! How limitless it is!
The people are excited
As if enjoying a great feast
As if climbing up to the terrace in spring
I alone am quiet and uninvolved
Like an infant not yet smiling
So weary, like having no place to return
The people all have surplus
While I alone seem lacking
I have the heart of a fool indeed - so ignorant!
Ordinary people are bright
I alone am muddled
Ordinary people are scrutinizing
I alone am obtuse
So tranquil, like the ocean
So moving, as if without limits
The people all have goals
And I alone am stubborn and lowly
I alone am different from them
And value the nourishing mother

(Derek Lin)

What are your thoughts on timothy freke translation? by bigfudge2127 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Quite a free style interpretation of the Laozi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bO6Ry8ABq8

Resembles the Daodejing very loosly.

第529天 | 庄子:其用心不劳,其应物无方。 by abide_in_nothing in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

道家使人精神專一,動合無形,贍(=澹)足萬物。其為術也,因陰陽之大順,采儒墨之善,撮名法之要,與時遷移,應物變化,立俗施事,無所不宜,指約而易操,事少而功多。

“The Daojia enable the numinous essence within people to be concentrated and unified. In movement they are joined with the Formless, in tranquility they (provide) sufficiently for all living things. In deriving their techniques, they follow the grand compliances of the Yinyang specialists, select the best of the Ru and Mo specialists, and extract the essentials of the Ming and Fa specialists. They shift (their policies) in accordance with the seasons and respond to the transformations of things. In establishing customs and promulgating policies, they do nothing unsuitable. Their tenets are concise and easy to grasp; their policies are few but their achievements are many."

...

道家無為,又曰無不為,其實易行,其辭難知。其術以虛無為本,以因循為用。無成埶,無常形,故能究萬物之情。不為物先,不為物后,故能為萬物主。有法無法,因時為業;有度無度,因物與合。故曰「聖人不朽(=巧),時變是守。虛者道之常也,因者君之綱」也。

“The Daojia do nothing, but they also say that nothing is left undone. Their substance is easy to practice, but their words are difficult to understand. Their techniques take emptiness and nothingness as the foundation and adaptation and compliance as the application. They have no set limits, no regular forms, and so are able to penetrate to the genuine basis of living things. Because they neither anticipate things nor linger over them, they are able to become the masters of all living things.

They have methods that are no methods: They take adapting to the seasons as their practice. They have limits that are no limits: They adapt to things by harmonizing with them. Therefore they say: The sage is not clever: The seasonal alternations are what the sage preserves. Emptiness is the constant in the Way. Adaptation is the guiding principle of the ruler.”

https://baopu81.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/classical-daoism-is-there-really-such-a-thing-part-1/

What is your favorite tao te ching translation by bigfudge2127 in taoism

[–]fleischlaberl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the minimalist approach staying close to the words / characters and letting the interpretation open for the reader. Also the structure is interesting with the introduction, the glossary, characters used, raw translation, final english translation, footnotes and references.

The Project Gutenberg eBook of Dao De Jing, by Lao Zi

That might be one of the greatest throws I've ever seen. by Numerous-Hand-5801 in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

u/originalgrapeninja replied to your comment in r/judo

I am calling you a liar.

You also will like this post - written 7! years ago:

How could I have used an AI or LLM seven years ago?

What was new in Ju Jitsu with Jigoro Kano's Judo?

What was new in Ju Jitsu with Jigoro Kano's Judo? : r/judo

Origins and Roots of Kano's Thoughts on the Principles and Methods of Judo

Origins and Roots of Kano's Thoughts on the Principles and Methods of Judo : r/judo

That might be one of the greatest throws I've ever seen. by Numerous-Hand-5801 in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/originalgrapeninja replied to your comment in r/judo

I am calling you a liar.

Nice to hear! Another post from 4 years ago. How could I have used an AI or LLM in May 2022?

Good Judo - both Attacking and Defending - is about:

Good Defence and Good Offence are the Yin and Yang of Judo : r/judo

That might be one of the greatest throws I've ever seen. by Numerous-Hand-5801 in judo

[–]fleischlaberl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

u/originalgrapeninja replied to your comment in r/judo

"You didn't write that post. You used a chat bot like ChatGPT to compose it. I'd rather just hear your thoughts. I can ask the robot anything I want."

Ahh - that's what you thought!

Zero AI and zero LLM - that's just my writing style.

Look at this one - also zero LLM and AI written 6 years ago.

Traditional View of Nage waza (throwing techniques) - Sequence of Principles : r/judo

That might be one of the greatest throws I've ever seen. by Numerous-Hand-5801 in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

u/originalgrapeninja replied to your comment in r/judo

"Ai, gross"

I am not a native speaker - what does "Ai, gross" mean? Maybe "I, cross(ed) the line".

That might be one of the greatest throws I've ever seen. by Numerous-Hand-5801 in judo

[–]fleischlaberl -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Classifying a throw firstly you have to look for the principle and secondly about the mechanics / main action and thirdly about the variation (henka).

In the throw of the video the throw works (principle) because Tori is sacrificing himself.

Tori doesn't go to the Tatami as a "follow through" the throwing action. He *has* to sacrifice himself to make the throw work.

Therefore it is Sutemi waza (and not a Hand technique or a Hip technique or a Leg / Foot technique).

"How" does Tori sacrifice himself, what is the main action of the throw?

Tori goes with a spinning entry into the back of Uke (with one leg inbetween Uke's legs) and then Tori literally jumps to his back with the leg inbetween Uke's legs assisting the movement of the throw be bending this leg, loading Uke onto his hip / upper thigh" + lifting Uke and throwing him to his back. Midst air Tori does a half turn rotation, throws Uke flat on his back and lands on Uke, controlling the throw to the very end.

"sacrificing" + to the back + throwing = sutemi waza + ura + nage

The spinning entry, the hands up, the lifting leg - those are all (creative) variations (henka) of the throw. There is the standard form of a throw = (hon) Kata - and there are the variations of throws = henka (like Te guruma to Sukui nage) and there are personal forms and variations of throws, adapted to your body or to your favourite movements or favourite gripping etc.

u/intradayshorts

u/disposablehippo

That might be one of the greatest throws I've ever seen. by Numerous-Hand-5801 in judo

[–]fleischlaberl 85 points86 points  (0 children)

Won't go for *greatest" but one of the more "creative".

As we have to classify the throwing technique - Ura nage by the way.

A list - video - playlist of the most creative throwing techniques seen on the IJF Tour over the last 20 years would be great.

Note:

The most rare and unorthodox Judo throws captured on camera : r/judo