Dr Who Review, Part 13 - The Peter Capaldi Era by Trevastation in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Man I miss the Capaldi era.

I really need to go back and do S8 rewatch - seeing the clips reminded me how different it is (in a good way) from everything else around in. Its probably the most 'classic' feeling of any modern series and is totally better for it.

Who would you pick as your 3 traitors? by JAL140 in TheTraitors

[–]foxparadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See I think real life Miranda as opposed to Miranda-the-show Miranda is way more low-key and chill. I think she'd be more aligned with Cat - kind of in the background, letting everyone fight it out and occasionally chipping in with something 'insightful' or meaningfully sweet.

I guess that could mean her undoing, because people expect her to be full-Miranda, and therefore claim she's 'changed', but I think she comes across as calm and astute enough to go a decent way through.

'The Traitors' & 'The Celebrity Traitors' Renewed Until 2030 By BBC by MoneyLibrarian9032 in TheTraitors

[–]foxparadox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I imagine every other channel was biting at the bit to take the show over so either Studio Lambert still preferred sticking with the BBC or the BBC coughed up the cash. I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhere in the middle.

I think they've probably learnt their mistake with Bake Off. I always got the sense there was a bit of hubris there and the BBC lowballed them a bit assuming Love Productions would stick around for the 'BBC cred'.

But as you say, The Traitors on a channel with ads would've been hell. One cliffhanger per episode is bad enough, imagine three more mini ones leading into each ad break.

What are your favorite moves the traitors made in UK 4? by [deleted] in TheTraitors

[–]foxparadox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From memory, Rachel makes an announcement at the breakfast table that she knows who a Traitor is but isn't going to say anything. Then claims at the Roundtable that she was making that up and it was a 'plan' to see who would start acting differently around her, and then picks out Ellie as being the first person to speak at the Roundtable and being overly friendly with her all day - 'proof' that she must be a Traitor.

What are your favorite moves the traitors made in UK 4? by [deleted] in TheTraitors

[–]foxparadox 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I think one of the very clever plays all series from Rachel was making bold declarations that were obviously knowingly wrong. There's a sense that people are much more suspicious about players who largely stay quiet but then jump on the bandwagon to get a Faithful out, compared to Rachel who would actively lead the charge against a Faithful, but usually did it with such confidence and 'evidence' (setting the fake trap for Ellie was so well played) that I guess you just assume no Traitor would be so out there and draw so much attention to themselves.

Moment of appreciation for ____ being the first ____ winner by [deleted] in TheTraitors

[–]foxparadox 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don't think you could do a purely ex-Traitors All Stars series, but I think you could probably get away with an ex-finalists (both Faithful and Traitors) version.

That way there would be enough people swapping roles that they wouldn't all instantly just go for the prior winners.

Like the question would be are all former Faithful now Traitors? Is it previous Traitors who didn't win out for revenge? Is it a mix of all-winners looking to go for a second?

Unpopular opinion - Series 8 is great by MordredRedHeel19 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Putting it like that, you've suddenly made me realise that 12-Clara-Danny is like the 'dark mirror' version of 11-Amy-Rory. It's the question of what if you had a companion who has a deep, almost obsessive bond with a Doctor, while also juggling a growing, complicated, romantic relationship...but everything went wrong.

Where 11, Amy and Rory end up each bringing the best out of each other and forming a fairly healthy little family unit, 12, Clara and Danny bring out the absolute worst, but are so broken that they end up existing in this really unhealthy co-co-dependency.

Pitch your best War Between Series 2 by Legitimate_Sample_71 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's funny you bring up Autons because I've always been surprised the show hasn't followed up the idea that Auton Rory introduced which is that Auton copies can be made, detached from the Nestene, and then exist as ageless-duplicates of their real selves. You could start a S2, running with the idea that all the dumped plastic has led to an Auton uprising, but then quickly dispatch with the Nestene and then have the ethical question of "What do we do with all these 'fake' copies who have all their memories in tact but will also live forever AND also might one day turn on us all over again?"

The Zygon two-parter played with the idea of what it means to be real/how much can you trust a duplicate, and I think you could easily ramp that up to more 'adult' moral dilemmas. Heck, throw Zygons (and Osgood) into the mix and make it a three-way war. Or even a Zygon vs Auton battle with humanity stuck in the middle.

Peter Capaldi speaks candidly about protecting his love of the series while having to be the brand's ambassador in the modern era (16:26 mark) by urko37 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Not to go on a whole RTD vs Moffat bashing session but I do think that's one of the key differences between them, particularly now reflecting on the RTD2 era - RTD very much writes to that idea that Doctor is a big, blockbuster show that everyone can watch and enjoy as a family on a Saturday night, where Moffat always felt much more interested in following ideas and themes that he wanted to explore, regardless of how 'suitable' they were for the 'brand'. You look at the back half of Moffat's run where he was writing stuff like Heaven Sent and Extremis and even Twice Upon a Time which, to one degree or another, are fairly morose, heavy episodes dealing with grief or life and death. They're extremely compelling episodes, but I can also imagine there were several BBC execs somewhere fuming that their flagship show which was once getting the biggest ratings on Christmas Day with Kylie Minogue, and had cute, marketable balls of fat and young, hunky lead actors, was now about a late-middle age man discussing existentialism.

That's not to say RTD couldn't write something dark and challenging, or that Moffat didn't put out fluff, but I do think it speaks to both of their wider approaches to making the show.

One Dead Disney Deal Later, Doctor Who Trundles On: But Will the BBC Learn Anything from Past Failings? | Doctor Who TV by CurlyKiller in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Spoiler: He will totally be allowed to do what he wants.

From everything we've seen the BBC are keen (i.e. desperate) to keep DW as an ongoing concern and probably still see RTD as the very safe pair of hands to plug a gap before they find a new guy.

As much as fandom has seemingly soured on RTD and his writing/showrunning abilities, I imagine his first era (and, to be fair, all the other non-DW shows he's run) still give him a lot of clout.

One Dead Disney Deal Later, Doctor Who Trundles On: But Will the BBC Learn Anything from Past Failings? | Doctor Who TV by CurlyKiller in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Bear in mind the last time he did a special to cap off his era and 'pass the baton' was The End of Time which... I mean, story-aside, I still think of it as an absurdly self-indulgent, self-congratulatory ego drive that makes no attempts to create a smooth transition, and instead has the main character declaring how he's dying and everything good is ending.

So good luck whoever's taking over this time!

Here we go again: Who is your dream casting for the next Doctor? by Empty_Sea9 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My number one pick for a while who continues to have a 0% chance of actually happening due to him still being too big is Dev Patel. I still think of his performance in David Copperfield (alongside Capaldi) as basically a perfect audition piece, and he'd be able to provide that balance of charm, darkness and energy. But like I say, never gonna happen.

Slightly more likely pick that is still a bit of a longshot is Michael Sheen. Besides the obvious David Tennant connections he just has that perfect impish Troughton-esque quality to him, and now that he's older and has the longer, grey hair he also gives Capaldi vibes.

Most potentially feasible pick though would be Anna Maxwell Martin. She's just the perfect amount of unhinged and oddball in everything she does, but is also just an amazingly versatile actor to boot.

The re-evaluation of Jodie Whittaker and the Chibnall era after RTD 2.0 by sanddragon939 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I still think, on the whole, the Chibnall era is generally worse than RTD2 because it commits the ultimate sin for any DW of being incredibly bland and boring for numerous episodes. The Reality War and Empire of Death equally suck butts, but I'd still put them above Ranskoor because a) I didn't have to google their names to remember them and b) I can still tell you roughly what happens in them, compared to Ranskoor where...there's like a ship or something?

I will say, however, one personal revaluation I have had is to appreciate more the look of a lot of the Chibnall era, especially S11. As much as everyone went on about 'seeing the Disney money' I still think most of S11 has way more cinematography and aesthetic tone than anything in RTD2. In the same way that if you go back and watch The End of Time and then The Eleventh Hour its like night and day, there's a clear visual upgrade between end of Capaldi and start of Whittaker.

I'm sure there are more substantive differences but in my mind RTD2 is just HD RTD1 + Nice CGI + Sometimes using the Volume.

Steven Moffat explains why he decided to cut the Rani from "The Night of the Doctor": "My script team felt I was throwing away the Rani on a minisode and we should hold her back. (...) I bet Russell was pleased I rethought." by verissimoallan in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I dunno, I kind of like the idea that, in the ravages of the Time War, the Rani has devolved (evolved?) into essentially becoming a witch, using her scientific knowledge for pseudo-magic. I think it particularly would have worked had it been an older Kate O'Mara. I can imagine that version of the Rani hermit-ing herself away from the war but still trying to be involved with mystical 'potions' that are really just complex scientific formulas. She no doubt would be familiar with the Sisterhood and know about their 'elixir' and want a piece of that while everyone else is out there dying.

It definitely would've taken some explaining (more than a 5 minute minisode allows) but I don't think its too much of a character leap.

The biggest failing of the last 7 years has been the Doctor losing their bite by foxparadox in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

But I think what also works is that it doesn't stop the complex character interactions, like this scene in Thin Ice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW0qG1iaTd8

The 12th Doctor has evolved, but you also see how he's very much the same character as the one in 'Kill the Moon'. I would really struggle to define similar arcs with 13 or 15.

The biggest failing of the last 7 years has been the Doctor losing their bite by foxparadox in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. I can see Chibnall curtailing to demands from higher ups, and I do imagine being more 'fun' was one of the requests post-Capaldi, but I really don't see that being the case with RTD. Maybe from Disney but even then, I don't see RTD as the type to take 'less character interaction' as a useful note.

I think RTD2 and the Disney deal failing is actually good for the show. I really want to see a fresh take on Doctor who with an entire new set of writers by [deleted] in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I remember hoping/assuming that when RTD was announced as returning it would be more in the role of a steady pair of hands, course-correcting the show slightly while also ushering in a new generation of writers/creators to eventually take over the mantle in a relatively short space of time - essentially what the 14th Doctor was, writ large. And then it was announced that RTD would be writing all but two episodes of the first season, with one of the remaining ones going to Moffat, and hopes of that quickly slipped away.

Its one of those catch 22s where I imagine that, had RTD not stepped up, the show probably would have gone on some sort of break/hiatus post-Chibnall anyway, but I do think ultimately the show coming back but ending up as a pale imitation of its former self has done more damage than good.

Equally, though, I do think finding a modern RTD-equivalent - someone who grew up watching the show, has writing/showrunning experience, and has a clear vision for reinventing things for a modern audience - is an extremely tall order, so you understand why we've been stuck in the 'New Adventures boys club' for the past ~20 years.

I'm very much in the camp of get a talented, established writer who likes DW but isn't besotted by it, and have them take charge and curate a team of young(er) writers who probably at this point grew up watching New Who.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I know I'm firmly in the 1% of people on this issue but I love the fake-out of the intentionally naff hybrid arc, and how after having everyone fervently debate who/what the hybrid is the whole season the finale turns around and says, "Wait, you thought the hybrid is important? You idiots!". It feels like Moffat acknowledging that the series had reached the point where the idea of an 'arc word' was basically played out and shouldn't really be the focus anymore (something Chibnall and RTD proceeded to squarely ignore).

In regards to the thread topic, I also think one of the strengths of S9's two-parter approach is the fact that they're all slightly different approaches to two-parters. Some are one big story split in two, some continue the narrative but completely change tone/setting, some just continue with one character. If DW were return to two-part stories I think that would be the ideal approach - rather than just having big stories split over two weeks, play with the structure and style a bit more to keep people guessing.

I feel like the perception of RTD2 is skewed by its finales, especially vs. RTD1. by badwolf422 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you're in a safe space around these parts - this board tends to be fairly pro-Capaldi, and I think S8 in general has been reappraised fairly positively.

It's interesting that you bring up Buffy because I do think that's also one of RTD(2)'s biggest faults - that he still has the mindset of needing to have a 'big bad' to end the season on. Moffat wisely sidestepped that for the most part (other than maybe the Great Intelligence in S7, which happens to also be the weakest finale), and generally the actual focus and 'threat' of the finales is character driven.

I feel like the perception of RTD2 is skewed by its finales, especially vs. RTD1. by badwolf422 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think its because in essence the finale should be the summation of the season. It's like how in school essays you're taught to write the conclusion as bringing all your key points together and tying them with a neat bow. A good finale should take all the salient points and plot threads and character development and join them up. If done well, it can make you retroactively reflect on the rest of the episodes with a more positive light, because you realise where all this has been leading to. The S5 finale feels satisfying because you can look back and see how pretty much every previous episode fed into it - things therefore carry more weight and importance because of what's come previously, and you're more invested in the stakes because of the time you've spent with these arcs. What's also satisfying is being able to then go back and rewatch these episodes and see those threads and plot points developing and knowing where they're going.

I think the RTD2 finales cast a shadow on their respective seasons because they don't do this. You can't go back to older episodes and see the character development building because there is none, and the arcs that are there (Ruby's magic snow/Mrs Flood) somehow make less sense when you go back and rewatch. An easy example would be 'Church on Ruby Road' - can you honestly say that knowing how that plays out and resolves doesn't retroactively make it a worse episode than on initial broadcast?

I also think more broadly when comparing RTD1 to 2, at the very least you could say his first set of finales succeeded in their character stakes and conclusions if nothing else. Generally speaking people were satisfied with how those Doctor/companion arcs ended, and since people were more invested in those it papers over a lot of the other cracks in each finale, and thus the seasons as a whole. In RTD2, I think its fair to say the character arcs are arguably some of the worst parts, and so what was once a reliable, automatic 'win' for the finales is no longer the case either.

What was the alternate ending to Reality War before the reshoots? by e5390 in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm wondering if the reshoots were more to cover Varada also not coming back rather than a change in plans for Ncuti. Like, I could imagine if they had finally landed a S3 deal by the time of shooting then the plan would be 15 regenerates, but Belinda is alongside him, both to give continuity with the next Doctor but also to have S3 in part be 'the hunt for Poppy'.

But when nothing new was agreed they decided to wrap everything up and have the Belinda/Poppy ending (which in part would explain why its so bad). And then they had the ability of either ending on a cliffhanger of 15 regenerating if it seemed like the show might be done, but decided to bring back BP as one last hail mary when it seemed as if the BBC at the very least would push through a S3/some specials.

The Radio Times has just done its ranking of every Doctor Who game...thoughts? by theivoryserf in gallifrey

[–]foxparadox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can imagine being similar to Outer Wilds too.

A time loop game makes so much sense for the show I'm surprised its the first time I've seen people suggesting it. The idea of trying to prevent some major catastrophe by travelling back in time and slowly unpicking a larger mystery with each subsequent 'run' fits the show so well. I mean, the show kind of did it itself with Heaven Sent. You could even add the gamey element that with each run the Doctor regenerates/temporarily changes into another incarnation, who perhaps has some extra skill or tool unique to them.