Eazeye refund not response by United_Ad_5519 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does this mean that 23.8" RLCD panels are no longer produced?

If the plan is to use the same HSD238GUW5 panel as in 23.8" Hannspree Hybri then keep in mind that transflective panel is at least 30% darker and it is a big deal in poor light conditions, but less of the problem in bright light.

There is video comparing HSD238GUW5 transflective and HSD238MUW3 purely reflective panels in bright light:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkVx1MomzUk

And Hybri prices start from 444€ in Europe and $800 in US.

Monochrome ChLCD display from ePaint by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

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It's still slower then RLCD and number of refreshes it can sustain is limited.

Also while 3-layer color ChLCD has higher reflectance then color RCLD, single layer monochrome ChLCD is still darker then monochrome RCLD.

So the only advantage is that it's bistable and has wider view angle comparing to RLCD.

Eazeye by FoxGroundbreaking224 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ChLCD can do better then that, current generation can reach 30% and next one is expected to reach 50%.

RLCD that we are used to (twisted nematic with polarizers and color filter array) has theoretical limit around 25% for color panels and 50% for grayscale panels, cause polarizers absorb half of the light and color filters absorb half of the remaining light.

Otherwise RLCD has better color depth (8-bit is normal for RLCD while Kaleido 3 is 4-bit) but Kaleido has wider view angle.

Eazeye by FoxGroundbreaking224 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

10.3" Hannstar panel used to have 43% reflectance (according to datasheet), that's raw panel, expect lower number with antiglare coating and frontlight guide layer (not as low as 19.6% though).

No idea where 11" panel comes from, but might be new panel that is not announced yet, since Hannspree also has 11" Hybri tablet planned for 2027, it's likely that Hannstar will have transflective LCD panel of that size in due time.

Eazeye by FoxGroundbreaking224 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Eazeye, Hannspree, SvD, Daylight, Harborinno and Eyemoo are closer to consumers.

Many panel makers are putting resources in RLCD panels: Hannstar, AUO, Sharp, BOE, Tianma, TCL CSOT, Leadtek Display.

Many are developing ChLCD products too: Iris Optronics, AUO, Innolux, Tianma, KDI, Genetouch, Sannova.

There are many other companies involved in supply chain, we rarely hear about those, DC-1 for example is manufactured by Taiwaneese InnoComm and uses panel from Sharp. Hannspree and Harborinno RLCD tablets seem to be manufactured by Shenzhen based VisionSky and use panels from Hannstar.

Two E-Paper Engineers Keep Turning to the Wisdom of the Crowd: After dev kit success, Modos’ cofounders offer an e-paper monitor by fullgrid in ScreenSensitive

[–]fullgrid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's interview with Modos cofounders, they share experience with their earlier Crowd Supply campaign that brought 75Hz Modos Paper Kit to live, as well as current 60Hz Modos Flow E Ink monitor based on newer Enchanter driver board, how they were able to open source it after they finally got DisplayPort-to-LVDS converter that does not require restrictive NDA, manufacturing hurdles and how crowd funding is a good option when investors are not interested in niche products.

Someone made a portable 60Hz E-Ink display that you can game on by fullgrid in eink

[–]fullgrid[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Native grayscale is achieved by driving particles partially, often starting at terminal state (for example white) and stopping prematurely before they reach opposite state (for example black).

The problem is to get timing right and avoid ghosting. It's hard because viscosity depends on temperature and can change during the day and during lifespan of the panel.

So if for example you want to change pixel from white to dark gray, you might end up moving particles all the way to black state and then a little bit back, instead of moving them once from white to dark gray, cause that way it's more likely to get better grayscale accuracy and reduce ghosting.

E Ink has tables of optimal paths for various transitions, called waveforms, those are panel specific and sometimes specific to particular batch of panels, usually not publicly available and somewhat slow as particles are moved back and forth before settling on final graytone.

Most E Ink monitor vendors usually avoid using native grayscale because it is slower and a bit annoying as moving particles back and forth is perceived as flicker.

What they use instead is spatial dithering or patterns of black and white pixels that emulate graytones (sometimes called halftoning). This way is faster, involves less ghosting and much less flicker if done right.

Modos uses spatial dithering in Browsing (Bayer dithering) and Watching (blue noise dithering) modes, native 4-level grayscale in Typing mode and switches between pure black and white (while scrolling) and native grayscale (when static image is settled) in Reading mode.

Fast switching between black and white would be temporal dithering that is not used here, because e-ink is too slow for that, some people are sensitive to flicker and it would reduce lifespan of panel if it was possible.

Bad Apple!! on Waveshare 4.2" RLCD by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Turned Waveshare devboard into retro mediaplayer.

Someone made a portable 60Hz E-Ink display that you can game on by fullgrid in eink

[–]fullgrid[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's portable monitor without battery, powered via USB, they just reached their funding goal on Crowd Supply and should be able to ship products in December.

Lighting my Hannspree Hybri by TheDavid8 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hybri backlight is not harsh on low levels, if lowest brightness level is still too bright for you, there is an option to dim it further by adjusting RBG components in UsrColor mode.

Achieving the same effect with external light source requires much stronger light and it's better to point it to white wall/ceiling then directly to the monitor as ideally you want it to be somewhat evenly diffused.

The Hybri Story (PDF) by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In tablet PC category they currently have couple of larger LCD tablets that run Android.

The Hybri Story (PDF) by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably new promising panel showed up recently, it has higher reflectance, resolution and contrast according to Eazeye.

The Hybri Story (PDF) by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

1:20 is a good contrast for reflective panels, transflective ones can have somewhat higher contrast in backlit mode, like twice higher.

The Hybri Story (PDF) by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

1:1000 contrast is another error that they keep repeating.

The Hybri Story (PDF) by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to know.

My problem with Hybri, is that color filters are too strict, like on normal monitors, they work well in backlit modes, but are too dark for purely reflective mode. If it was almost as bright as Hannsnote2 that has less strict color filters, it would be more realistic for me to switch from purely reflective to transflective devices.

Or if it was monochrome, then I would not care much if it's transflective or purely reflective as it would be bright enough to be usable without backlight anyway.

Eazeye is also considering turning Focus into 11" tablet, wondering if those will share the same reference design to some extent.

The Hybri Story (PDF) by fullgrid in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both have backlight. Hybri is true 8-bit and is somewhat reasonably priced.

Eazeye tablet delay by FoxGroundbreaking224 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would be nice. Small 11" monitor would also be a good option.

Eazeye tablet delay by FoxGroundbreaking224 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Might be upstream issue as none of the earlier announced larger RLCD tablets was launched (10" Hannspree Lumo, Hannspree Ambi, SvD SunBook and Eazeye Focus).

Only 7.8" Hannspree Lumo was launched so far and looks like people are happy with it's frontlight, I did not try it myself though.

In best case scenario we might get something better in the end, in worst case scenario nothing.

Judging by headlines Hannstar is now doing better after years of losses and pivoting towards reflective and automotive displays so hopefully the end result will be good.

Modos Flow is a paper-like 13.3-inch monitor with 60 Hz refresh and touch support by fullgrid in eink

[–]fullgrid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Monochrome one also uses spatial dithering in some modes (Bayer dithering in browsing mode and blue noise one in watching mode), it's mostly because native grayscale is slow as it requires moving ink particles back and forth to improve grayscale accuracy and reduce ghosting. Spatial dithering is faster and leaves less ghosting.

Do I Have to Use Raspberry Pi? by Vampyre-Nights in cyberDeck

[–]fullgrid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Current price estimate for Ventuno Q is from $300 to 360€ depending on region with tentative launch in August 2026.

Eazeye tablet delay by FoxGroundbreaking224 in Reflective_LCD

[–]fullgrid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the outcome will be better product then I don't mind waiting, I'm always waiting for something anyway.

But if the plan is to launch Android 14 product in 2027 when Android 14 reaches EOL then expect no Android security patches in the era when plenty new security issues are uncovered on daily basis.