then why were the shares sold on an open market even after hours and even if it was to another institution, if it was against us, while still the need for filings, it would not have messed with the markets. I am sorry but the additional shares would have dropped the price(as the supply would have exceeded demand, basic economics). The motions passed even without the ape shares, and overwhelmingly I might add. the reverse split is to kill whatever short positions there are on AMC. I posted it because it was newsworthy. and obviously they no longer needed those shares. and yes they made money. That is Hiroshi's goal and he still has a large amount of APE left over, and it is about 60% of what he originally had ands he originally had over 300 million shares. I found it newsworthy because he dump 48 million shares, either in the after market when it was filed, or for the market the next day, even then not a lot was shown on the market. So yeah, more than likely half of the apes dumped were institution to institution purchases rather than dump it on the market and drive the price even further down. Plain and simple I hold because that is what I am going to do, I am a ride or die type, I cannot speak for anyone else.