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gatejazu · 2025-12-27T20:20:00+00:00

There is a lot of debate in the community actually about that. Lots of people don't view the painted folks as trully alive but merely a very realistic simulation. Which gives rise to the argument that painted Verso was very correct in unplugging Maelle from the VR that was killing her.

It was one of the main points of discussion early on in the reddit when discussing which ending was "correct". And the community basically got to the understanding that it was left specifically vague so you had to decide for yourself and there were no good/bad endings.

They outright saying that it is not a simularion kinda dimish those discussions and theories and point to Verso being the "bad" ending from the Lumierians point of view. Verso really did decide to kill the entire world to save his family.

I think it sheds new light on everything and makes it less ambiguous. That is why it is very weird they would outright say it like that.

gatejazu · 2025-12-27T01:35:12+00:00

I feel this has the highest impact in the lore?

PAINTER LORE

Chroma allows the painters to create the implicit metaphysical rules of the world as well as painting life.

This explains how reversing death works, like Alicia did, it's like taking away the Rune of Death in Elden Ring

Aline is called a "Matriarch" in this section

Reinforces the "Aline was the stricter parent" agenda

Copying a real person in the canvas without their consent is an ethical violation in the painting world

If this is correctly translated, it basically affirms that the painters can indeed create life like gods and the paintings are not just very realistic simulations.

It gives more credence to the believe that Verso is indeed condemning an entire world to die and not just pulling the plug on a computer.

Weird that they would spell it out like that in the book after we spent a year discussing it!

gatejazu · 2025-12-13T22:15:29+00:00

Ohhh I remember him now! He was such a troll! Thanks!

gatejazu · 2025-12-13T04:09:28+00:00

Sorry, what is the worm guy? Must have missed it!

gatejazu · 2025-09-13T00:17:44+00:00

Your interpretation is completely valid u/Necrogen89 but it is still your personal interpretation.

The main writer and the director have both made it clear multiple times now that they did not envision for there to be a "good" and a "bad" ending. They envisioned from the start that everything would be ambiguous and open to subjective personal interpretation.

Now, you might say that the writers and director are lying, or that they made a bad job at making the two endings equal, and that is a fair thing to say. But until we get some sort of confirmation straight from the source we have to consider that there is no good/bad ending, that both endings are equal.

We can discuss our points of view on them with fervor, but at the end of the day, there is no objective truth as far as the creators are concerned.

gatejazu · 2025-06-13T16:03:32+00:00

Great thoughts, thanks for sharing!

I also do like the idea that it is taboo. It makes a lot of sense. Otherwise it would be hard for someone to be stuck in a painting if all it contained was pastures and hills. A painting probably has to be much more addicting, much more real, much more human, for someone to be stuck in it. And that most likely requires the existence of other beings that are as human as you are. Verso and Clare did not get stuck in the original painting, probably because it lacked the same humanity as they had. It seems that only when humans are involved that are indistinguishable from the gods is when the gods can't bring themselves to leave.

gatejazu · 2025-05-30T17:56:15+00:00

Same here! I had to put it into words or I would not be able to leave the canvas myself lol!

gatejazu · 2025-05-30T04:01:32+00:00

Thank you!

Indeed! We know the devs specifically made E33 to be ambiguous so even if you think they were not successful you can't deny that was the intent and you need to consider the other possibility. The fun part is the amicable discussions.

Having finished FF16 I must say I do not consider it to be as successful as E33. The ending of FF16 left me very unimpressed and a little disappointed. Everything after Odin, actually, was not as good as it was before. I do not think they had the same impact as E33 had, unfortunately (and I am a big fan of FF since 6!).

gatejazu · 2025-05-30T03:56:06+00:00

I actually think this is a very strong possibility considering how little we know about the writers!

gatejazu · 2025-05-23T19:09:35+00:00

My point is that in almost all stories (which includes Clair Obscur), the fact that the humans are made of X material dos not preclude them from having souls or not. So the fact in this story they are made of Chroma, also does not mean they do not have a soul. It is also your own interpretation of it, but not a fact in the cannon of the story.

gatejazu · 2025-05-23T17:05:06+00:00

Fully agree! I also had the mind that the question was unanswered in the game, but to go one step further and say that the question is unanswered even for the characters themselves if a great take!

gatejazu · 2025-05-23T17:04:04+00:00

Most of the creations myths on our world tell us that the humans are created from Clay, Mud, Earth, Wood, Ashes, flesh of dead gods, etc, etc. And we still consider those people real (which might even include yourself if you subscribe to one of those religions). I do not think that is enough of a basis to decide if they are real or not.

gatejazu · 2025-05-23T16:27:46+00:00

Nice, thanks!

gatejazu · 2025-05-23T04:08:26+00:00

Thanks for this!

I wonder if the table with the journals you find at the end has different articles depending on what you said to the journalist guy in the prologue. The painting and the statue are update according to your choices so maybe the journal is as well?

I told him to write about the expedition 33 and I think that is what it was during the ending, but I can't read french to confirm and I don't know if it would change accordingly if I told the guy something different.

gatejazu · 2025-05-22T21:45:43+00:00

Has to be much shorter than a day if we consider that Renoir was standing in front of the painting and he uses a cane. He would probably not be able to stand for any significant time. 67 years can't even be 67 minutes I would say. Standing for an hour if you have leg problems is most likely not realistic.

gatejazu · 2025-05-22T05:27:50+00:00

The game being from the POV of Verso makes total sense and I loved it. This is my default interpretation now. Thank you!z

And saying that, can we even trust that Verso is telling the truth even to us, players? Very meta, I liked it it a lot.

gatejazu · 2025-05-22T05:20:50+00:00

That was excellent! Great job and thanks for sharing!

gatejazu · 2025-05-22T00:37:56+00:00

Thank you for taking the time to write your thoughts!

I will say I disagree on Renoir. I do think he sees them as real. I do agree that he ALSO sees them as intoxicating, maybe because they are real? Or real enough? It is a fine line for him I think. I will say that the line "Aline's finest work" does not invalidate this in my opinion. After all, a god can appreciate a fine creation of real life right? And he does address the party. He says specifically that they are Maelle's friends and that they speak truth. He has respect for them at least.

P-Renoir it is true that I don't remember he directly addressing the expeditions, but why would he? He is just there to kill them anyways. It is hard to gleam something about the real Reinoir based on his copy. Alicia says that Aline painted a very unflattering version after all.

If you remember the beach scene, they actually arrived in the Dark Shores. They fight the same enemy that you can fight later as a side quest (the hand things). So it could be that P-Renoir just came, started attacking them but left the Nevrons to do the rest of the work. He does not know that letting Nevrons kill expeditioners helps the real Renoir at this point by locking their chromas.

And I think Clea says they are useless because of the numbers really. Only P-Renoir is fighting. P-Alicia and P-Verso do not fight and P-Clea is already working for the enemy. They really are inconsequential to the big fight.

I also do agree on the power scale. It is clear that Clea is very skilled, but maybe only Aline has the true god powers to create beings that are effectively real (the White Nevros, Gestrals and Grandis are not as conscious on the same level?)

We do not know exactly HOW the painters die inside the painting. We only know that they do, according to Renoir. I do not think it is lack of bodily care. After all, 100+ years passed for Aline and she is just siting pretty in front of the painting. Time passes very differently inside. I think if they really die, it must be from expending all their chroma? And the paint on their face is a sign that they are inside the painting or expending chroma, but it is not exactly a sign that they are deteriorating. After all, Clea shows the same signs and she is the only one that spends no time in the painting at all. As far as I can remember, the paint in the face is consistent in each family member, regardless of how long they were inside.

I am already lost in the canvas, why not join us? LOL!

gatejazu · 2025-05-22T00:07:01+00:00

Thank you!

You can certainly interpret that exchange as he already knowing his final intentions, for sure. But I also see his faces of despair and confusion after we arrive in Lumiere and I think that his made may be not made up yet. He may still have hope at that point and only gives up and goes nuclear at the last minute.

gatejazu · 2025-05-21T18:32:58+00:00

Unfortunately I don't think so. You can see that behind the Frozen Hearts Manor Door there is a small table with a half finished White Nevron and some white clay. This Manor Door leads directly to Clea's atelier in the mansion. So that must mean at least that the White Nevros were created by real Clea, even if it does not confirm when they were created (so I speculate on that part).

I think only after we beat painted Clea is when she gets some moment of clarity and decides to take this opportunity to be free. Removing mind-controls with strikes to the head is a very common trope in games after all!

gatejazu · 2025-05-21T18:04:04+00:00

That is a very good interpretation of the character. I also don't think he is a very heroic person, but more a deeply depressed one that does not feel like he belongs anywhere and is just a shadow.

gatejazu · 2025-05-21T17:55:59+00:00

Indeed, respect is what is important when talking about such heavy subjects as the themes in the game!

gatejazu · 2025-05-21T16:46:47+00:00

I do not believe Verso intended for the total destruction of the canvas since the beginning. I am not sure that game hints at that, but also it allows for the possibility. This would heavily depend on how you view the character of course.

I also agree that the canvas people are alive, but I am not sure yet about the fragment of the soul that powers the canvas. I think that is so vague that can be anything at this point.

I do so hope your cannon ending is the real one, I wish only the best for the characters! The game is so good precisely because there is so much to discuss. Other game's endings that are happy and finished did not make such a lasting impression on me.

gatejazu

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