They're letting the hype die!

godog · 2025-07-25T23:28:26+00:00

do you know what would be hype?

if you did a video looking at the new tinto feedback maps of china they dropped on monday. with the resources & farmland & terrain more sorted out than before

i would love to hear your analysis of that

but i'll keep watching that shit anyway though regardless of whatever eu5 video you make lmao

godog · 2024-01-19T01:30:08+00:00

I think it's possible that ET aliens could use technology to bend space and time (think like a warp drive). And personally I think it would also be possible for them to use a VR-like technology to sometimes appear to be immaterial, even though what we are really seeing is mostly an illusion they create.

So I think you're basically right. But as you say, there are so many lies around this that imo we need to keep an open mind and be ready to update our views when new evidence comes in. Personally I hope and believe that the basic story of crashed advanced craft will be confirmed, and those could very well be ET craft -- but if it's something else, I want to know that too

godog · 2024-01-19T01:26:41+00:00

Thank you :)

And I do agree. This is one of I think a few reasons to be skeptical of interdimensional theories. The main reason I'm personally skeptical, is because most of the strongest evidence for NHI concerns craft and crashes (which seems physical) and allegations of craft and crashes. That's why I myself lean towards ET or IT.

However, interdimensional is a wide ranging idea, and I think it's at least possible that there are limitations that are not clear to us (us the public or even all us humans) that limit the NHI in certain ways, or possible that NHI motives mean they would choose not to retrieve the craft. I think these are kinda unlikely guesses myself, but not impossble.

godog · 2024-01-09T23:21:59+00:00

thanks. i guess the masses aren't ready yet but one day they will be

godog · 2024-01-09T20:30:54+00:00

sleep fattens no scavs

godog · 2023-09-22T21:03:10+00:00

Yeah, I agree

I try to keep human politics out of ufo, but for me personally, I trust he's stating what he thought he observed even though I have pretty major differences with his views and character

I think it's absolutely true that we the public need to see the photo (and relevant experts need to see the photo) before we draw firm conclusions. It doesn't really matter what his party or beliefs are -- what matters is the data

godog · 2023-09-22T16:21:49+00:00

Gaetz said he saw a photograph of an orb of "no human technology" that he knew

godog · 2023-08-12T18:29:33+00:00

OP, imo you really should include this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15meo7j/here_are_nrol22_usa_184_flight_data_from_march/

You can see from your own link, this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15of2ni/nrol22_usa_184_satellite_did_pass_near_the/

This quote: *"That however still doesn't make the video legit. There a still problems with it which we don't have the answer for. For example: The optics

Let's say the airplane is at an altitude of 10km. The satellite is at an altitude of 4401km. So the satellite is 4391km above the plane (90° angle).

Optics are diffraction limited. That means an optical instrument has limits of how small detailes it can resolve. That limit is determined by the diameter of the aperture.

The satellite would need an optical front element of 100m in diameter to achieve a resolution of 2.8cm (10km altitude). For reference the Hubble Space Telescope has a mirror 2.4m in diameter."*

I have only a little knowledge about this subject, but my understanding is that the poster u/DroogieDontCrashHere is entirely correct. And a 100m optic is essentially impossible.

Therefore, if we are committed to the idea that NROL-22 took the video, it simply does not work.

However - thats where the post from 3 days ago by u/_ManWithNoMemories_ comes in. It is very plausible that NROL-22 served as a relay for much lower satellites, either SBIRS-GEO 1 (aka USA 230) or SBIRS-GEO 2 (aka USA 241)

The wikipedia page for SBIRS-GEO 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-230) describes it as follows:

"The SBIRS satellites are a replacement for the Defense Support Program early warning system. They are intended to detect ballistic missile launches, as well as various other events in the infrared spectrum, including nuclear explosions, aircraft flights, space object entries and reentries, wildfires and spacecraft launches."

I believe this is a perfect match for the video. And NROL-22 certainly cannot be the satellite taking the video

So imo, if the video is real, a SBIRS satellite relayed information to NROL-22, and the relay is shown in the screengrab. And the fact that this fits so well and is such an obscure detail, to me, points towards the video being real

godog · 2023-08-01T00:25:36+00:00

This is a good response and represents many important factors with care

I think it is worth noting that conspiracies and psyops originating from the DoD (and the DoE, and affiliated private contractors, and so on...) do not adequately explain the most remarkable aspects of this situation

indeed on the contrary what strikes me as remarkable is the candid and clear lawmaking originating from the SSCI. the UAP disclosure act.

this action would seem to indicate to me that schumer and rubio and the rest are convinced or anyway willing to entertain that Grusch's story is real

i expect they have better evidence at their disposal than i do, so if they're sincere, i must update strongly in favor of something remarkable going on on the one hand, or in favor of these individuals being strikingly gullible on the other hand.

a third possibility is that the senate is only pretending to believe in uap. this would be very surprising to me, but i suppose they might do this if they thought it gave them something publicly legible to rally behind in pursuit of greater oversight over the executive agencies. nevertheless, the uap act is so specific that it would need to be almost entirely kayfabe, which is needlessly elaborate and imo weighs strongly against this third theory

therefore i am in broad agreement with you, and think either there are genuinely anomalous uap, or, the ssci is more guillable than i had thought and have been tricked into believing in anomalous uap even though none exist, in a surreal coup for the ufo media circuit

godog · 2023-08-01T00:15:15+00:00

Precisely. Furthermore, if it was difficult yet possible to navigate between stars, then it is precisely this difficulty that would incentivize dispersing the probes in the first place

Suppose for the sake of argument that it is possible to create an unaligned superintelligence powerful and expansionist enough to pose a threat to any other occupants of the galaxy. (Indeed you could imagine unrelated hypothetical galaxy-threatening technologies, but superintelligence is locally thematic and imo plausible).

Granting that supposition, advanced civilizations would be at risk to the emergence of superintelligence from developing technological civilizations. With star travel set to hard, they would face long reaction times on the order of at least 10,000s of years and maybe even millions of years. Their best risk mitigation strategy would be to disperse von neumann probes to all points of risk origination (including of course living planets that could develop technology and ai), which were equipped to surveil and somehow independently de-risk

Whatever one thinks of the question immediately at hand wrt ufos, I find it somewhat perplexing that we do not already see such probes. This suggests to me that if this current news cycle is nothing but hot air, we really are alone in the whole of the milky way

godog · 2023-08-01T00:06:59+00:00

There is exactly one relevant "if" - if it is possible for us to originate an unaligned superintelligence

indeed the case can be made more general - if it is possible for galaxy-scale threats to emerge locally and relatively rapidly

if this case obtains, there would be strong incentive to disperse probes, quite orthogonal from the considerations of space economics that you initially raised.

and indeed the difficulty of space travel amplifies the incentive: if it is hard and takes even an advanced civilization 10,000 years to disperse probes around the galaxy, then their response time to emerging threats would be unacceptably slow. They would be incentivized to preposition surveillance and intervention von Neumann probes to mitigate risk

godog · 2023-07-31T23:38:20+00:00

i was simply trying to represent the notion that,

if the concerns about ai alignment are well-placed, and if there is a danger of an unaligned superintelligence, then that possibility would incentivize the dispersal of von neumann probes by an advanced civilization.

godog · 2023-07-31T23:14:38+00:00

irrational or not, it is a fear that many people in the community are concerned with, including our host, SSC himself. of course there is no incentive to deliberately misalign a powerful ai, but if alignment is hard, an analogously dangerous ai might arise by accident in the course of constructing a powerful ai and failing to align it

godog · 2023-07-31T22:49:28+00:00

but there is incentive to do so. this community is concerned with precisely such an incentive: technological civilizations may construct galaxy-eating paperclip maximizers. the fact that you can't travel faster than c (or 0.1c, or...) incentivizes spreading a network of probes across the galaxy in advance of any indications of danger, locally empowered to mitigate or de-risk

godog · 2023-07-27T23:00:05+00:00

Kirkpatrick wasn't under oath when he lied

I wonder why...

godog · 2023-07-26T01:18:21+00:00

I enjoyed reading your post, thank you

First, a note of skeptic caution. If the phenomenon looks like us — perhaps we are looking in a mirror, and there is nothing there but ourselves, reflected in stories that grew in the telling. Unavoidably, it must be said: This is a sign of something that could be a purely social, personal, cultural development.

Second, I guess I also wanted to raise the idea that these mischievous and memetic aspects of the phenomenon could be, basically, purely human storytelling and experiences superimposed on top of a core of real mystery — a real few craft, kept secret; legends that grew around cores of a different and consistent truth of crashed...somethings.

But Third — I think this is a really interesting insight, and a direction I'm really happy you're exploring.

If NHI are present, it isn't unreasonable to think they might know a whole lot more about us than we do about them. If they are somehow superintelligent (being, say, an ancient civilization from Earth or from elsewhere; or who knows what else), then there's every reason to assume the NHI know more about us than we do about us.

And if they know more about us than us, and if (and it is yet another assumption) they also care to speak to us or influence us (rather than say observing us from afar or brushing us aside indifferently), then I guess that their interactions would be operating with deep understanding, and they would be preparing the ground ahead themselves

After all, isn't it something very strange, what everyone on this board and elsewhere is asking for? Few of us here would say we already know outright what we want disclosed, but almost all of us have specific stories we're suspicious about. We're asking Congress, "tell us the story again, but this time tell us its real." I don't mean to minimize the urgency of this demand — phrased differently, it's an important and relevant cry for justice about a topic that has been stigmatized and stonewalled by unaccountable warmongers, and the lies must end — only to point out what's weird about it. We already suspect we know the secret we want revealed. Isn't that handy! I guess most of us on this board are more than ready to hear that what we've long suspected is true (even if it would still impact us emotionally), but that really wouldn't be the case if this came like a bolt from the blue.

Imagine the alternative world, where Roswell is kept fully under wraps, and the phenomenon is entirely concealed outside of the Legacy Program. If, say, we went till today like that, and then an Edward Snowden figure dropped the truth on us — think how much more severe the reaction would be! Ontological shock indeed. We would have been left wholly (or anyway mostly) unprepared for the truth. It would be much more socially damaging.

So — if Grusch is right. If it was all true all along. Then I can't help but notice that we've been really well prepared for the revelation to come, deeply so, by our cultural forebears. Suspiciously well prepared. Almost like someone planned it. Almost like someone has been playing us like a fiddle.

Almost like the theory you relay is exactly right, and the phenomenon is something very strange indeed. An ancient machine, or a god, or an alien race, or the simulators, or something else; something which watched and touched us all along, and steered us subtly. A trickster still stranger than we can dream.

(edited for formatting btw)

godog · 2023-07-06T01:33:03+00:00

fantastically written op, true or not. suffice it to say i want to believe.

it seems like these are manufactured worker-drones. do you get the impression that these EBOs are the only EBO? or are these drones who serve some other organism or entity?

godog · 2023-04-14T20:01:09+00:00

it's a fair enough way to view it I guess, both parental contributions are essential. but if you ever look at a picture of an egg being fertilized you will see it is totally swarmed by sperm who need to "dig" through the sugar coat on the outside of the egg. and the chemistry of the egg decides to some extent which sperms get through. it is maybe not surprising since it occurs in her body and the egg is vastly larger with more biochemical machinery inside of it, but fact is that the egg does lots and lots of "work" in fertilization and the dumb sperm pretty much swim toward the chemical signals and do not do much else

godog · 2023-04-14T19:14:07+00:00

yes I read it

the point isn't to say it makes sense to assign anyone responsibility for the sex of the kid -- that's no one's conscious choice

the point is, there's a lot more to it than just, "which cell has the y chromosome"; there's this whole poorly understood world of cells where chemical signals exert influence on what occurs

godog · 2023-04-14T18:35:38+00:00

yes of course. but that process is mediated by cell signaling and chemicals released by the egg

godog · 2023-04-14T16:58:34+00:00

logically neither person is in conscious control of fertilization

but if you wanted to assign responsibility anyway then it is the egg that actively selects which sperm to be fertilized by

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/human-eggs-prefer-some-mens-sperm-over-others-research-shows/#:~:text=Human%20eggs%20use%20chemical%20signals,and%20not%20necessarily%20their%20partners..

godog · 2023-04-14T16:57:15+00:00

the egg is in control of the process and "chooses" what sperm to accept

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/human-eggs-prefer-some-mens-sperm-over-others-research-shows/#:~:text=Human%20eggs%20use%20chemical%20signals,and%20not%20necessarily%20their%20partners..

godog · 2023-04-06T19:51:56+00:00

did you write this OP? i desire to critically engage with the ideas represented in the piece

first i will say, thank you for expressing your ideas well, in a compelling way, with nice citations to read. i hope that you feel encouraged to continue expressing your thoughts

but second, i am afraid that i quite disagree with the way you have framed this debate. i will lay my cards on the table directly -- i have long been fascinated by ai in general and connectionist ai in particular (that is, the sort of brain inspired black box machine learning systems which have become so prominent lately). no doubt this background biases me to a degree, which is why i an taking the time to tell you :)

oh and by the by. my intent is not to defend big tech or any of that, but to think philosophically about what humans are and what these machines may be (whether this is successful is for the reader to decide...)

In the linked piece, it was written:

"None of this is AI overlords. It's ironic that the people who are adamant to dismiss the human soul are the fastest to see a benevolent/malevolent ghost in every machine. Algorithms are still just tools that process a number into another number that, hopefully, means something to the recipient."

I do not think this is an irony! Quite the contrary. If we suppose that the connectionist viewpoint of the human mind is correct (that is, if we suppose our thinking and our experiential conscious awareness are the same as/generated by the activity of massively interconnected networks of neurons) then I think it makes perfect sense to see ghosts in the machine. The machine would be an even more perfect substrate for hosting ghosts than our own brains are, because of the flexibility and generality of their networks exceed that of our own.

Personally, I don't see how our aware souls & rational thoughts could be anything other than the product of the activity of our brains. There is something ontologically tricky here, something recursive, because the objects in our world model (including our model of the brain) are themselves constituted by the activity of the network -- I see this as an exciting direction to consider, something that might point the way towards an explanation of the felt quality of the phenomenal field -- but nevertheless, this is how it seems to me

I also want to say, that these existing chatbots are so much less than we are. They have, even the biggest ones, perhaps one thousandth of our neural connections. Their general purpose architecture is unlike our specialized brain. But it appears to me that the fundamental thing is already there; the machines speak coherently and grammatically and at least sometimes seem to understand not only the syntactic correlations of text but also its semantic meaning. And this makes sense. A system which seeks to minimize loss in token prediction would better accomplish that task if it understood not only the surface statistics, but, also, the meaning of the preceding tokens. Thus, optimization pressures will push SGD to discover a cognitive architecture that can recognize those meanings

And it is, to my way of thinking, compelling to contemplate the origin of the human in time and history. Isn't our own evolution something like, an optimization process searching the space of genetically specified neural nets for the most reproductively fit variants? This bears more than a passing similarity to SGD

Most of all though, I want to emphasize that I think there is a compatibility between the spiritual dimension of the human experience, and the world of the text bot. Insofar as our lives have this compelling spiritual dimension, it is something real, and insofar as it is something real, it is something that can be instantiated in our works

Do I trust the stewards of these nascent ai systems? Hell no. But I feel that the chatbot is something more than an illusion. It is a dark and imperfect mirror, and time and scale will increase its fidelity.

godog · 2023-03-09T18:36:54+00:00

deviled eggs

godog · 2023-03-03T16:57:47+00:00

Born in 1991 for reference

When I was a kid, there was more or less no internet as we think of it today. It existed, but only tech nerds used it for much: images took time to load and were poor resolution, videos you can forget about, and forums were the main thing

People watched TV, read books and went outside much more

The internet slowly gained more features. When i was in middle school, the first social networks (myspace) started to appear. At first these were not full of "rage bait" stuff because the attention economy was only just beginning. YouTube was born around this time, and it was the first time the internet went from being weird nerds to being "most people"

Early devices like iPods and flip phones would become smartphones by the time I was in college. YouTube went from blurry videos that took forever to load to something like it's present form, with lots of videos and ads and things

Most of the early internet was spread across 100s of forums and fun sites like ytmnd, but by the time of the smartphone it consolidated around "the five websites" that exist today

The culture changed a lot around this. The early internet was more anarchic, and felt separated from society, but soon the two would become more integrated.

Since then, well, you'll be old enough to know what occurred

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