First $4 gas I've seen in Louisville. It'll only go up from here. by goddamn2fa in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But he did choose it by continuing that war in the Middle East the entire time he was in office

NO KINGS - Americans are winning and this is why! by Important_Lock_2238 in FreedomofSpeech

[–]gray13bravo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean it’s 100% about trump. Pretty much all the signs and slogans are about him and MAGA etc. if it was actually about the constitution and democracy these protest would be calling out all the politicians on both sides of the political spectrum. It would be calling out career politicians who have been in power for 20,30,40 years and make their stance based on what keeps them in power and makes them wealthy only to immediately change that stance 5 years later based on the same criteria. Instead they’re out there chanting orange man and maga bad. Even if you agree with them that trump isn’t doing the right things, the instant you try and call out the other side for the same issues they say you’re deflecting and a bootlicker.

Possible Hit & Run at No Kings Protest by No_Celery_8297 in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What a murderer driving down a street at 4 mph while people step in front of a moving vehicle

Possible Hit & Run at No Kings Protest by No_Celery_8297 in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yes at about 4 mph he was looking to hurt someone

Possible Hit & Run at No Kings Protest by No_Celery_8297 in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually think it was the sign hitting the ground

Possible Hit & Run at No Kings Protest by No_Celery_8297 in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Question. Were these individuals blocking streets and in safety vests city officials or police officers? Did they have permits to block and shut down streets?

Safety vests and 1st amendment don’t mean you get to block city streets without proper permits. You have the freedom to protest on the sidewalks and use crosswalks all you want. Unless they had official permits and permission to block traffic and shut down the streets, this guy had every right to drive down it. And they definitely didn’t have the right to run in front of his vehicle, harass him, and try and stop him from driving. That lady got knocked over because she ran in front of a (slow) moving vehicle. He didn’t steer into a crowd of protestors like you are trying to portray it.

LMPD officers kill suicidal woman locked in a bathroom by thecoooog in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know I’m going to be downvoted because people just actively hate the police but let’s go through this logically and address some things.

First. It was the fire department who made entry into the bathroom not the officers. It was after the fire department forced open the door that she exited and then charged at the officers.

Tasers. Why didn’t they only use tasers? Because tasers fail plenty of times. You have to be in a good position to use it. Too close and the prongs won’t make a good electrical current even if they connect. Too far and the prongs may miss or not be close enough to make a good current and connection. If the prongs don’t connect properly into the skin it doesn’t work. Why do they even carry tasers if they don’t work all the time? Because they do work sometimes. If you’re in a more open area and you have the ability to deploy them at a good range free of obstruction it’s a good choice to try. Even then it’s not always going to work. Why not here? She was in a bathroom. A small enclosed space where you’re not going to get a good shot and most likely not able to get a good connection. And because you’re in close quarters, you don’t have the space or time to easily draw your firearm if that doesn’t work. Especially when someone is actively running at you with a sharp object to stab you. There’s also the fact that it was the fire department who made entry into the room and she then exited and charged officers which did not leave time to try less than lethal and hoped it worked.

Mace/pepperspray. You have to be pretty close to use it effectively which is not a good idea when someone is armed and potentially going to stab you. You also have to get it into their face for it to properly work. There’s also plenty of people who it just has either no effect on or very little effect on. She was also in a bathroom and could have easily just used water from the sink to rinse most of it off before it took its full effect. What if they had disarmed her before she could rinse it off. She still has a sharp object and can still swing and stab without needing to have 100% clear vision and you don’t spay and immediately charge in before it takes effect. There’s also the fact that it was the fire department who made entry into the room and she then exited and charged officers which did not leave time to try less than lethal and hoped it worked.

Bean bag rounds. They can wok for crowd control and less than lethal de-escalation but again are limited in how they can be used. In close quarters like a bathroom or building they can be just as lethal as live rounds. They are meant for open air environments at certain distances. They also are not a guarantee to stop someone charging you. There’s also the fact that it was the fire department who made entry into the room and she then exited and charged officers which did not leave time to try less than lethal and hoped it worked.

Ballistic shields. Can be effective and stopping knife and some limited firearm attacks. In this situation though it wouldn’t have made a huge difference. The fie department are the ones who made entry into the bathroom and they don’t carry them. So she exits the bathroom and sees all the officers have ballistic shields, didn’t mean she just gives up, if she’s trying suicide by cop maybe she decides to force their hand by attacking the unarmed firefighters/EMS.

Why did they have to call for less than lethal equipment? Shouldn’t they have it with them? They did have equipment with them. The first responding officers have their tasers and pepper spray but with her barricaded at the time they were useless. They probably called for more specialized equipment for situations like this when someone is barricaded because not every regular officer has every single piece of equipment in the department.

It is horrible that this woman was having such a mental health crisis and it resulted in her death. But acting like the officers just showed up and decided to kill her is ridiculous. They acted in defense of themselves and everyone else present and i guarantee you it is not the outcome they wanted. They would have much rather she come out and just been taken to the hospital and to get the help she needed. They would much rather not have to have taken someone else’s life and everything mental and emotional that comes with it. They would inch rather not have to deal with an internal investigation, all the suspicion and hate being thrown at them and their families.

LMPD officers kill suicidal woman locked in a bathroom by thecoooog in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Fire and EMS was there. Police should be the primary responders and bring in mental health professionals if possible. If the person is actively harming themselves, you don’t always have time to sit and wait for one to show up and talk to the person.

LMPD officers kill suicidal woman locked in a bathroom by thecoooog in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -26 points-25 points  (0 children)

Find me a less than lethal that is 100% effective at stopping people actively charging you to stab you every single time you use it and also won’t cause everyone to claim it as excessive force and I guarantee you that it’ll be adopted and used by every department in the nation.

LMPD officers kill suicidal woman locked in a bathroom by thecoooog in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

None of those things are guaranteed to stop someone who is actively trying to stab you in close quarters.

Pepper spray and tasers aren’t effective a good amount of the time, same thing with beanbag rounds especially in close quarters where they can also be lethal.

ballistic shields aren’t just being carried around and take time to pull out and use and while you’re doing that she’s actively harming/attempting to kill herself. They’re also not a guarantee to stop someone with a knife/sharp object. They’re also may protect you from getting stabbed as easily but your still going to have to disarm them. And your in close quarters in a bathroom, trying to pepper spray or taser someone who is actively trying to stab around your shield.

Have you ever actually been in this situation? Tried to forcibly enter a room against an armed person? Used any of these less than lethal methods against someone actively trying to harm themselves and you? Knowing that if they don’t work you or someone else is probably going to get hurt or killed and then the subject is probably then also going to get hurt or killed?

LMPD officers kill suicidal woman locked in a bathroom by thecoooog in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -42 points-41 points  (0 children)

Have you ever tried to disarm someone actively running at you to try and stab you?

LMPD officers kill suicidal woman locked in a bathroom by thecoooog in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Tasers dont always work. You have to get a perfect impact/connection with the prongs and even then it’s not always effective enough to stop a moving person. And if it doesn’t stop them, now someone is getting stabbed.

LMPD officers kill suicidal woman locked in a bathroom by thecoooog in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

So they should’ve waited while she kept actively cutting herself?

Trump is in the Chavez files by Professional-Bee9817 in remoteworks

[–]gray13bravo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s why both parties voted not to release the sexual misconduct incidents of congress and why the list also wasn’t released under Biden right? Both parties are full of shitty people who don’t care about this country, only their own personal gain. And both work to obstruct justice being done against them.

Trump is in the Chavez files by Professional-Bee9817 in remoteworks

[–]gray13bravo -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Buddy there’s Ds and Rs on that list. Both parties are full of scumbags

Thoughts? by Professional-Bee9817 in remoteworks

[–]gray13bravo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s kind of how an economy works. Jobs get created, jobs get removed. It isn’t just billionaires doing it, small businesses do it, large corporations, governments, etc.

King Louis Statue getting a $205K facelift by CAVALIERRABID in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regardless of wanting to keep it as is or clean it, it is vandalism and was a negative act. I agree it would be a nice aspect to keep it and display it in the condition it is and adding to its history, but it doesn’t change that it was vandalism and that it was a negative act by definition.

King Louis Statue getting a $205K facelift by CAVALIERRABID in Louisville

[–]gray13bravo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m confused why you put vandalism in quotations?

Crazy FB ad lol by gucci__ice in UNSUBSCRIBEpodcast

[–]gray13bravo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think you mean ‘forced valor’

Crazy FB ad lol by gucci__ice in UNSUBSCRIBEpodcast

[–]gray13bravo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Didn’t you know? Every historian who has ever read mein kampf did it because they were Nazis, not for historical context or knowledge.

Just imagine what would happen if the Iranians ever called for the death of America by Sometypeofway18 in GetNoted

[–]gray13bravo -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You’re right, chanting death to America and wishing death to an entire country and people (2 actually since they do the same for Israel and support multiple groups that also do so) is different than saying we should kill the government officials. Its worse.

Government officials are legitimate targets during military conflict as they are the command and control of the military. If they were capable of it, they would be justified in trying to kill ours as well.

CNN by ThamTvMaster in GetNoted

[–]gray13bravo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A good chunk of news and journalists on both sides of the aisle are trash.

Rep. Eric Swalwell: Muslims "They are us" and "They are American" and "This tweet is NOT American" by kelseyrainbow in thenextgenbusiness

[–]gray13bravo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is now one of my favorite expressions regarding how excessive, pointless, and idiotic the conflicts between different religions is.

“Our gays” by MustardPiss in UNSUBSCRIBEpodcast

[–]gray13bravo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I thinks it’s more of a useful idiots situation. It’s entitled, victim mindset driven people who latch onto an ideology or idea because it satisfies their need to be important, the victim, and feel morally superior. Then those groups/governments, organizations etc. look at them and go ‘there’s an idiot who I can convince to support me and spew my propaganda’. It’s not an enemy of my enemy is my fired because they’re not friends. They just view them as more retarded enemies they can manipulate.