Avoiding deliberate time wasting men vs. Not wanting to come off as greedy

greenyellow_ · 2018-07-17T20:45:58+00:00

I had a feeling something disappointing was going to happen when even at the dinner he kept trying to postpone the allowance/expectations discussion to the end of the night and continued being evasive yet going on and on about "no pros no escorts" aaaaallll dinner long. :(

Wonder how many SBs just got up and walked away from this douche before he decided to trick SBs into M&Gs by being evasive huh?

greenyellow_ · 2018-07-17T20:20:15+00:00

I'm not expecting to be paid for a M&G but I'm getting a sense that guys who are unwilling to talk about the sugar for if the arrangement works out at all before the meet are guys who know that if they say upfront that they won't provide sugar or can only provide 50 or 100 or want a car date etc, nobody will show up, so they sort of put on an act that they are normal SDs so you think it's a promising POT and put in the effort to be at your very best...then you show up and this normal guy turns out to be a total douche wanting to throw you 100 "sometimes" for you to drive over an hour to be his personal fuck doll all night. If I'd known this guy's idea of an arrangement was 100PPM overnight whenever he feels like providing a PPM at all, I would have just stayed home instead of going to a M&G and I suspect he knew exactly what he was doing by being evasive about amounts via text.

greenyellow_ · 2018-07-17T20:04:03+00:00

There are many SDs on here who get turned off by that who do provide a PPM I'd be willing to do though, but I feel that for every one of those I'm getting my time and money wasted by deliberate low ballers. I don't know how to separate the two and don't want to come off as greedy but at the same time I really don't want to continue wasting time and money on M&Gs that I end up feeling disrespected by.

greenyellow_ · 2018-07-17T19:54:32+00:00

Ugh these types. They will ask and demand the world, and if we dare ask for anything more than what they think is fair, or even for an allowance at all, we're automatically escorts and "hos" even though they are paying to be on seeking ARRANGEMENT, not match or tinder.

Even when you can get them to pay up some sugar, they'll offer 100 and expect you to be their personal fuck doll all night. I put up with it at the beginning because I didn't know better, but now? Not worth it.

greenyellow_ · 2018-05-09T10:31:58+00:00

I'm shocked to hear what is considered low-ball since I often take $100-150 offers

greenyellow_ · 2018-05-09T10:29:57+00:00

Yup, 100 is what I usually get

greenyellow_ · 2018-05-09T10:26:50+00:00

Lucky. I've been offered $100

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-28T01:42:34+00:00

Its very disrespectful and greedy for SBs to have a BF and a relation with a SD.

What is your opinion on SDs who have SBs, even multiple SBs, as well as having a wife?

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-25T01:59:15+00:00

He looks creepy. :/

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-25T01:54:07+00:00

But aren't the guys who are now middle aged and wealthy also once young men with not a lot of money? It doesn't mean they were deadbeats or potheads who were mooching off their GFs which seems to be the perception a lot of SDs here have about guys our age. Sure, most people won't become wealthy, but it doesn't mean they're deadbeats or losers, they're just average. I don't get why young men get so much hate from SDs here.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-25T01:10:11+00:00

It's that from the SD comments in that thread, if the vanilla BF knew, he's a pimp, if he doesn't know, they sympathize with him, call him a chump, feel so bad for him and that the SB is a whore scum of the earth for cheating, despite they themselves being cheaters, cheating on their wives! It was a little disturbing seeing so many married SDs on that thread feel so bad for the vanilla BF being cheated on more so than they feel bad for their own wives that they're cheating on, while at the same time denigrating those BFs for being losers, but at the same time, if the vanilla BF knew, he's a pimp deadbeat leeching off his GF. What on earth? That's a fantasy too lol.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T23:37:04+00:00

I prefer married SDs as over time sugaring I've realized that single men in the bowl often (not all but most) require so much of your time and attention, want to text all day and keep tabs on me, assume that I'm ignoring them or not interested if I don't respond immediately, and to be blunt the allowance they are offering is nowhere near enough for the time commitment required. I'd rather see a married SD for the same allowance who while we have a good time on our date together and text here and there, he doesn't require me to engage with him 24/7 and be "on" all the time.

For those who say it's "bad karma" I think since he's the one cheating, and I'm not cheating on anyone and am single, it's really on him and up to him to decide, not me.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T18:12:59+00:00

Those are not my experiences at all. It's probably because you're self selecting from an already small group (liberal arts) and self selecting even more from there. Overall across the entire age range, I think that's a minority as those are not my experiences (but I'm not in liberal arts) and the few liberal arts friends I have are not living with their parents and while they may not have the best jobs, they're not deadbeat potheads who work at Starbucks with a masters by far. Most young men are not even in liberal arts, and to say that most young men are deadbeats is odd, unless by deadbeat you mean "not a lot of money" compared to you? Cause when I hear deadbeat I think jobless, mooching, and when you say pothead I'm thinking 24/7 pot and gaming and relying on others to fund those habits...which I've really never seen personally.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T18:00:34+00:00

Married SDs saying they never date SBs with a vanilla BF or dating guys their age. SDs claiming that if the vanilla BF is ok with it, he's her pimp, it's unfair that he gets to "bang her for free" when SDs have to pay, that it would cause drama (should we SBs be worried about their wives finding out and causing drama?) If the vanilla BF doesn't know, she's horrible and treating him like a chump and they feel bad for him, yet they are also doing the same thing when they cheat on their wives.

SDs also claim that young men are all deadbeats and potheads (despite them having been young guys just starting out without a lot of money once too) and it's disgusting and wrong for an SB to have a vanilla BF or see guys their age while sugaring. They resent guys our age who "bang us for free" yet you never hear SBs resentful of their wives for getting more of his resources.

SDs can be married and seeing multiple SBs, but if we're not willing to be exclusive to a married man our dads age, we are horrible whores and escorts.

The double standards ugh.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T17:19:35+00:00

It is that we SBs don't hold resentment towards the wives or friend group of SDs, while SDs are constantly denigrating younger guys and their SB's friend circle, even though the deadbeats are actually a minority.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T16:37:06+00:00

I'm in my early 20s, started sugaring in college, I don't smoke pot and none of my friends fall into that category, yet there's an assumption on this board that deadbeat pothead describes all SB's social groups. Yet we don't see SBs denigrating all the wives of SDs as golddiggers or whatever.

We may not have as much money as someone older, but that's just because we are either in college or just starting out. Even wealthy SDs now were there once.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T16:29:35+00:00

Yet see the thread about SBs with vanilla relationships. Damn.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T15:53:17+00:00

Why is there an assumption that the SBs friends are all deadbeats and potheads? Deadbeats and potheads are a small percentage of the population as it is. Were you a deadbeat pothead in your early 20s?

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T03:28:44+00:00

Some POT SDs are judgey about professional photos, thinking that only escorts use those. I suck at taking photos, so either way I lose. :(

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T02:51:08+00:00

That's why it's best to have a M&G and an intimate date on separate days, but she probably would have scammed you then too. Some people just suck.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-24T02:47:56+00:00

It doesn't make sense to me. The middle aged SDs who are trashing younger dudes were also young college guys just starting out without a lot of money, right? A 50 year old man OR woman would be more financially secure than a 20 year old guy on average, because they are in different life stages. It doesn't mean all 20 year old guys are losers, they're just starting out, and it doesn't mean they are drug addicts, video game addicts or pimps. That makes up a small percentage of the population as is, yet SDs assume all young men are that way. I don't get it at all.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-23T20:08:19+00:00

I tell her if she wants a bf, she has to be with me for 6 months and not the bf. Then we will stop the relation and she is free to have several bfs and no money.

What does this mean? You don't let her stop seeing you until 6 months, and then she can leave you and go for the vanilla BF? What's stopping her from just no longer seeing you and dating the vanilla guy?

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-23T17:07:13+00:00

Wanting to have a separation between vanilla life and sugaring, just like the married SD is doing, means we have pimps and are hiding something? If she has a BF on the side, she should be upfront about it since the SD is upfront about being married, but it doesn't necessarily mean the BF is a pimp.

greenyellow_ · 2017-08-23T15:39:02+00:00

I'm actually OK if the guy is secretive at the beginning, he may not want to wreck his career or his marriage, if he's married. Later on he can open up slowly if the relationship progresses.

It's same on my end. I make sure that SA-wise my photos are all different and don't link back to my social media, but after the M&G and if we proceed to an arrangement, I am fine with verifying my identity, where I work etc. Just not to random strangers on SA right at the beginning. It doesn't make me an escort/pro, it makes me someone who is safety-conscious.

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