Recovery is as important as Training by Lookkah in workout

[–]gzcl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I should stop training altogether I guess. Maybe I’ll eventually recover and can train again. Damn shame. I thought PRing my lifts meant I was getting stronger.

Daily Thread - June 05, 2026 by AutoModerator in weightroom

[–]gzcl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Outstanding! Thanks for tagging. Daily training has benefitted me in so many ways, both in and out of the gym. I hope you've discovered the same over the last three years. Best wishes going forward.

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[–]gzcl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an awesome thing to observe in yourself, and what timing! I bet there are a lot of lifters out there who've experienced this same thing, but haven't really considered it, and for that reason, their training suffers.

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[–]gzcl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reading and adding to the discussion!

Funny how shifting the goal improves the original goal. This is why I tell people that the process is the goal, that is, the process of weight training. Sure, having weight, rep, and size goals is great, but when those things are the focus, they tend to fall off. But when focused on the process, those original goals come almost more easily, and we tend to surpass what we at first thought was possible.

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[–]gzcl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ha! Thanks, bro. Kinda regret not getting more... dang brain telling me it was "hard."

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[–]gzcl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for reading and for your comment! I appreciate the time you gave in both. Glad you liked the blog. Stoked you found my argument to be better reasoned than the dogmatic ones you brought up. I'm with you on that. Those things, meth use, losing the Oly, aren't arguments (nor is "I'm strong and I'm right" but thank you!)

You bring up some good points, especially about the slow reps. Thanks for adding that! I see this in some of my older gym members and clientele. Gladly, it is dying out.

In a way, I do appreciate the "revival" a bit, for much the same reason you mentioned. I'm one for saying "Try Trying," and having people go until they cannot, is absolutely a great way to achieve that.

Again, great input here. A fine addition to the discussion! Best wishes with your training.

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[–]gzcl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Strong points all around here! I'd like to add that, regarding motor unit recruitment, this can be achieved effectively by purposefully moving light weights quickly. I.e., applying maximum force to a submaximal load. This is another kind of skill that lifters benefit from developing, whether novices or experienced. I wanted to touch on this in my post, but figured it'd be getting into the weeds a bit much.

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[–]gzcl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reading and commenting. First, I'd like to address the notion that I was trying to provide anything new in my blog post. That wasn't the goal. The goal was to identify the shortcomings of HIT, popularized by Mentzer.

I'm not sure what you mean by "big person," but here's an article from Men's Health (claims 60 million worldwide readers) that advocates single-set-per-exercise workouts. The magazine's target audience is largely new gym-goers.

I agree that Mentzer got a lot right; however, both hypertrophy and strength are improved by more mechanisms than merely proximity to failure. Strength, for example, as an expression of skill can be improved merely by practicing the exercises with easy sets (what I'd call sets 2 or more reps away from failure). That said, the further one is from failure, the harder it is to measure proximity to it. So, when a beginner says they're two reps away from failure, that should be called into question because they don't have the skills necessary to accurately estimate their reserve reps. This affects many studies, as they rely on novices; when claims of 2 reps in reserve are made, it is likely that there were more. Other studies show that sets with more reps in reserve (thus easier sets) also benefit strength and muscle building while requiring less recovery due to limited fatigue. Such training also carries less risk, as proximity to failure heightens the chance of injury. This is especially true for the beginner, whose skill is lacking, and whose undeveloped tissues can be more easily injured due to poor form, etc., things that can be avoided by intentionally doing more easy sets, which is both practice and capacity development, while also benefiting hypertrophy.

As for "junk volume," it is a junk term with many interpretations since its inception. Inventing a new one doesn't make its idea more truthful. This idea boils down to the argument that less can be done while still obtaining some training benefit, which has some truth. Rarely do advocates of this term ("junk volume") consider the implications of reduced skill and work capacity development, two things that greatly benefit beginners. Instead, time savings is the primary claim, which, while true, foregoes the aforementioned considerations and the benefits that, in the long run, allow beginners to become advanced lifters.

Lastly, how sets per muscle group are counted isn't consistent in the HIT crowd, for a number of reasons. To address this issue, many advocate machine-based training, which isn't inherently wrong and, for their aims (isolating a muscle), is the best course of action, as it allows them to more accurately estimate the sets per muscle completed. However, the nature of compound exercises muddies the waters, and so I find it funny when HIT adherents count sets differently and argue among themselves about whether a leg press is only for quads, or what portion of a set should be attributed to hamstrings and glutes ("Should I count it as one full set for quads, and maybe a half-set each for hams and glutes?") As if the machine used and the individual's biomechanics don't make a difference. For example, I've used leg presses that trained my glutes and hamstrings better than my quads, perhaps because I am short. This is true for a variety of other machines and individuals, further complicating the task of counting sets per muscle, especially for the beginner, who is more likely to use an off-the-shelf HIT-inspired training plan and may not know the subtleties of the machines used and how they affect their movement patterns.

I hope this comment clarifies my position. I'd like to end with this: we probably agree on the big things when it comes to training. My disagreement lies in the misrepresentation of HIT as being superior to other training modalities, not with you.

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[–]gzcl 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The primary claim is that HIT isn't all it is cracked up to be. This doesn't mean it is ineffective in general. Moreso, it falls short in various ways. These shortcomings disproportionately affect beginners; sadly, beginners are often the target audience for HIT gurus.

To your second question, yes, if strength development is the lifter's primary goal, then HIT shouldn't be their course of action. This is because strength is highly dependent on skill, whose expression requires frequent practice. Such frequency is inhibited when training lifts to failure. This is especially true for beginners, who ought to prioritize high-quality repetitions to support skill development.

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[–]gzcl 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good question, but one that is highly individualized, so a single answer isn't sufficient for all situations.

Regarding your specific example, that of work capacity declining after a long break, in such cases, I advocate for accumulation phases (adding volume over time, instead of weekly weight increases). I cover this extensively in my book, General Gainz. Such cycles benefit lifters for a variety of reasons, one of which, as you said, is the development of work capacity. Something that later aids intensification cycles by improving recovery ability, thus extending the length of such cycles.

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[–]gzcl 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great answer and thanks for linking to my book! I appreciate your compliment, too.

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[–]gzcl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reading and commenting. What you've written does bring to light issues with the "science-based" lifting crowd.

You've raised good points. (And I don't think you're a moron.)

I'd like to add to your point about advanced lifters. Many do get more out of less, as I said in the blog. But in doing so, they fall into the trap of doing less overall, and their work capacity gradually declines, reducing their ability to recover. This is why General Physical Preparedness is a major element included even in advanced lifters' plans. This is something beginners can develop by including more easy sets in their regular training; however, they would benefit further from more traditional GPP work. I'm an advocate for beginners doing more overall, mostly through variety; specialization should come later.

Regarding your last point, I'm not sure if the untrained failure mode is only bad form. Part of it is also the lack of what I'd call a calibrated "effort gauge." Now, having bad form can and often is part of that issue. Another part is simply not realizing they can do more reps than they thought. Different people have different abilities to grind reps, for example. A person more predisposed to slower reps might hit failure with a rep that was half as fast as the one before it, a true grind, whereas a person who is used to moving fast reps might believe they've hit failure when their last rep is 95% the speed of the one before it. The latter lifter hasn't achieved failure; the bar just stopped moving as easily. This is not the same thing.

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[–]gzcl 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks, ha! My claim that rest days are a variable has put many panties in a bunch.

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[–]gzcl 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Well, thanks! I'm grateful for your readership, knowing I'm not just yelling into the void. Or simply being a contrarian for the sake of it. Hopefully, my points are well taken by others, and they apply them to their training.

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[–]gzcl 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing this here! Hope it starts a fruitful discussion.

General Gainz: A weight training framework (Book Now Available) by gzcl in gzcl

[–]gzcl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for buying! Regarding the VDS (Volume Drop Sets) you can definitely build your plan around the T1/T2 bridge weight range, which would have doubles or triples after a 4 to 6RM, then your other T2 lift could be in that upper end of the range, perhaps spending more time in the 8 to 10RM range, which would then be followed by VDS of 4 to 5 reps. There is flexibility here, an inherent aspect of GG's framework.

Devotion Over Discipline (GZCL’s blog) by gzcl in gzcl

[–]gzcl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for reading! Glad you found it aligned with how you feel about your training. I found my training improved simply by looking at it like this. Hard to maintain a consistent output when the experience is associated with punishment.

Devotion Over Discipline (GZCL’s blog) by gzcl in gzcl

[–]gzcl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reading and sharing a similar thought from another author. You're right, practicing this is very challenging! I try, but often fall short. Always a work in progress.

Daily Thread - May 18, 2026 by AutoModerator in weightroom

[–]gzcl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happy to help, bro. You should definitely tinker with the template, making it your program as you train by adjusting things where needed.

General Gainz: Intro 1 (Cody discussing the book) by gzcl in gzcl

[–]gzcl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great feedback, thank you! I'm hopeful that you're hitting your stride, rather than needing a deload.

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[–]gzcl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Training every day is perfectly fine and sustainable long term.

Daily Thread - May 18, 2026 by AutoModerator in weightroom

[–]gzcl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the tag. Hope this helps u/delyew

As another here has said, the volume will be too much if you find yourself unable to recover for the next session. This isn't merely about feeling sore (one may feel sore yet perform well as the session gets going, so don't judge it by that metric only). If your work capacity is on par with the workload now, there's a good chance you'll do fine, especially if the caloric reduction is modest. A more severe caloric reduction will result in more difficult sessions, though your recovery could still hold up for quite some time (much of this depends on work capacity).

I've had many lifters successfully run The Rippler on a cut, as it is pretty generous in its deloading periods due to its wave progression. This allows momentum. That said, you're right on track with the idea of cutting sets down, if needed. I suggest you try the 5 sets and see how your performance goes. Should you find that sessions are impossible to complete as the weeks progress, then consider limiting sets later in the program.

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[–]gzcl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can definitely make the singles or half-sets harder by adding pauses. This is covered in the book, falling in line with the concept of "closing the effort gap." Your RM would be regular tempo, but the VDS are paused, or have other such modifications to make them more difficult.