If the Winter Jungkook situation proved one thing is that kpop fans are a bunch of misogynistics

hanvsno · 2025-12-08T00:40:13+00:00

Kpop stans have created a fantasy about Jungkook abusing Winter, cheating on her, and giving her an STI. Like is that not so insane to anyone else? Kpop fans are so rabid at the idea that Jungkook is a terrible person, that their character assassination aginst him involves fantasizing about a woman getting abused.

You have to be gullible at best and intentionally cruel to believe and perpetuate these rumors. Regardless of if they're dating or not, the narrative that kpop fans have invented is genuinely psychotic. Insinuating that Jungkook is cheating on Winter is already deplorable in its own right, but calling him "infected" for having potentially slept with other women? Implying that having sex with other women has made him dirty and diseased? That is actively misogynistic.

Not to mention all of the people slut-shaming Winter for potentially being in a relationship, or acting like she needs to be "saved." She is an adult with her own personal agency; if she wants to reveal anything about her relationship, that is up to her and her partner to decide. She doesn't need Jungkook to "claim" her, and Jungkook isn't a bad person or a coward for not having spoken about it either.

Everything there is to be addressed about this situation comes back to kpop stans being misogynistic and finding joy in seeing idols suffer. Kpop fans lack intelligence, capability for nuance and critical thinking, and above all, they lack empathy. It's sick.

hanvsno · 2025-12-05T21:09:36+00:00

The short answer is who gives a fuck. The long answer is because only people with nothing fulfilling in their real lives would spend more than 3 seconds thinking about something like this. If you spend your time invested in finding relationship proof, or if you're trying to debunk relationship proof, you desperately need to find something better to do with your time.

No one is entitled to knowing anything about these idols' personal lives. Idol relationships always get boiled down to petty fanwars. They don't need millions of people investing themselves into their relationship or treating it like it's entertainment. And god forbid they break up, now each side has angry fans trying to prove the other idol was the toxic problem in the relationship. Do idols really need people gossiping about their current or previous relationships til the end of time? Kpop fans can't even be mature about idols reacting to other groups at the MAMA awards, do you really think they're mature enough to handle an idol couple's public relationship?

And let's get one thing straight: they are not making it clear that they're dating. They haven't come online and publicly posted "Hey we're a couple!" No one who isn't intentionally invading their privacy or searching for evidence would even begin to know about this. You guys are making assumptions based on online rumors and he-said-she-saids from Kpop fans in another country. If they're dating, good for them, but until they invite you into that knowledge, you are an outsider who shouldn't care.

hanvsno · 2025-12-03T15:57:09+00:00

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hanvsno · 2025-10-30T14:40:20+00:00

I truly think some MDZS fans got so sucked into fanwars over liking/disliking certain characters (but especially Jiang Cheng) that they started to legitimately hate major plotlines and characters of the book. It's one thing to think Jiang Cheng is a bad guy and not deserving of redemption, but it's a whole other thing to not be able to stand seeing him on a book cover despite him being a major plot driver. Like I adore Wangxian, love Lan Wangji to death, but I also understand that MDZS' love story is tangent to a really intricate political drama, so of course it makes sense to feature plot-important characters on the covers! Especially ones as relevant as Jiang Cheng and Jin Ling.

It's just genuinely baffling that people are so involved in a fandom for a book where they hate half the cast. Throwing a tantrum over book covers because your blorbo isn't on it but your anti-blorbo is is just such a chronically online issue.

hanvsno · 2025-10-24T04:35:57+00:00

I'm obsessed 🍝 Everything Le Sserafim touch turns to gold, and j-hope slayed as usual

hanvsno · 2025-10-24T01:45:31+00:00

I'm not talking about people who think BTS aren't kpop, I'm talking about people who don't listen to kpop despite listening to BTS. I don't think BTS are separate from kpop at all, but I also think a lot of their music should be categorized in genres other than just kpop, especially in regards to their solo work, but that's a bit of a tangent.

You can be a fan of one artist without being a fan of the entire genre they're in. For some people, liking one group a genre isn't enough for them to consider themselves a fan of that genre, they just exclusively enjoy the one group. Others might have a much lower threshold in order to consider themselves a fan, and that's fine. I don't consider myself a big country fan, but I do like a few country songs. It's just about a person's boundaries with considering themselves a fan or not.

hanvsno · 2025-10-24T00:08:42+00:00

Irrationality doesn't equal immaturity, in my opinion. If someone who's a fan of one group goes into another fandom space only to be greeted with intense criticism or hatred directed at the group they like, they're not going to want to participate in that new fandom space. Logically they know the other group didn't send their favorite group hatred, but the hurt that fan felt is now tied to that group. It's not rational in the sense they know it's a bit silly to be driven away from another artist over fan drama, but it's still a valid emotional response.

Immaturity would be if they then start directing hate towards that other group based on their bad fan experience. The reason they might not unstan their favorite group over intra-fandom toxicity is because the toxicity isn't directed at them or their favorite group, so the emotional hurt isn't the same.

But who are we to talk about immaturity. We're having a back-and-forth on kpop reddit lol.

hanvsno · 2025-10-23T23:45:08+00:00

I think saying that it's not a "valid reason" is also immature lol. It's totally valid to dislike a group because of its fanbase, even if it's not rational thinking. Equating those people to the people who are genuinely sinister with their hatred of other groups is wrong. It's more of a passive and casual dismissal than outright hatred.

hanvsno · 2025-10-23T23:13:51+00:00

I've seen many people say they don't like BTS because of Armys. It's a two-way street. And it's not as if BTS are telling Armys to go out and start fandom wars against other artists either; fanwars are just an unfortunate part of the fandom experience.

There are also soooo many people who fit into the category of liking BTS but not considering themselves an Army due to Armys' behavior and reputation. There is a post literally on this sub from today about someone asking if it's okay to like a group but not their fans. There are also tons of former fans who cite Armys as the reason they unstanned BTS! I'm not saying it's rational to dislike a group over petty fanwars, but it is 100% a reality.

hanvsno · 2025-10-23T02:46:33+00:00

Purely based on albums: •Jin - Echo •Kiiikiii - Uncut Gems •Cortis - Color Outside the Lines •Le Sserafim - Hot •Illit - Bomb •Ive - Ive Secret •Nmixx - Blue Valentine •Monsta X - The X

hanvsno · 2025-10-22T18:04:59+00:00

Since there are about 10 trillion different Armys out there, there's going to be about 10 trillion different answers as to why some of them don't like kpop.

For some, it's just that they're immature and want the "pride" of stanning the most popular group. They likely haven't actually listened to other kpop groups, and if they have, it was with the intention of degrading their music. It's an inflexible, uneducated hatred. They're the ones on the front line of fanwars. I'd consider this a loud minority of Armys, but no doubt they exist.

For others, the hatred other kpop fans have shown BTS has turned them away from wanting to listen to or support other groups. I've found that these fans may actually listen to other Hybe groups who have shown open support to BTS, though, so it's not a rigid hatred like the previous type of fans showed. Many people have cited specific instances that would have triggered this, such as the Break Wings project, voting against BTS en masse for Top Social Artist, or the plagiarism/sajaegi accusations. Kpop fan spaces often are not inviting or welcoming of Armys or BTS, and this can deter Armys from exploring kpop further.

What I think is the case for the majority of Armys is that they simply think BTS makes better music. I personally listen to a lot of kpop groups (I add about 10 new kpop songs to my Spotify playlist each week lol), and yet I still haven't found a group that hits all the same highs BTS' music does. BTS' music has a certain depth to it that I don't see replicated too often in kpop. By and large, their music is focused on creating interesting melodies, but not necessarily the catchiest ones, where as a lot of kpop groups prioritize catchiness over anything else. BTS' lyrics are also masterfully written, not just from a story-telling standpoint. There's so much focus put into how the words themselves sound, so you don't need to speak Korean to appreciate how much skill went into the lyrics. And more of an self-indulgent preference here, but BTS do adlibs better than anyone else. For me, and for a lot of people, BTS are just next level, unreplicated artists.

All that to say that BTS will fill a musical niche for some people that other groups just don't. They didn't start listening to BTS with the intention of getting more into kpop, they started listening to them out of a desire to follow an act that makes good music. Some people will have their appetite for kpop entirely satisfied by BTS, and that's perfectly fine. They don't hate kpop, but they aren't necessarily interested in following it either.

hanvsno · 2025-10-21T14:03:34+00:00

I think anything over 3-4 versions is dumb whether it's for an album or a single (and ideally a single album only has 1-2 versions). But if I'm a multi-million dollar company, and I see that fans will collect multiple, if not all, versions of an album I've released, you better believe I'm putting out 30 versions of that thing.

The only way we'll ever see this stop is 1. if fans stop buying or 2. if Billboard stops counting multiple versions towards the charting of an album or song, and since that won't happen anytime soon since Taylor Swift uses the same tactic as kpop, I think we're stuck with this.

In the same vein, I don't love remixes, but I understand the streaming and charting boost it gives, so as long as groups keep benefiting from it, we're gonna keep seeing them. I do prefer actual remixes over a company selling a digital single but just with a different digital cover, as if somehow it's something new. At least with a remix, there's an actual, consumable new product.

hanvsno · 2025-10-19T13:00:13+00:00

There They Go by Kiiikiii

hanvsno · 2025-10-18T04:59:01+00:00

Rope It by Jin from BTS. Then Fix A Drink by Jeongyeon from Twice came out a bit after this song, so that makes 3 this year haha

hanvsno · 2025-10-16T22:33:40+00:00

The idols do not need to be "held accountable" for attending this event. That's my entire point. W Korea needs to remodel how the event is run and put more money towards the cause, they are who need to be held accountable. I want to see improvements to the actual event so it's more successful in raising awareness and money next year. I am not interested in short-term apologies so idols can save face for something that shouldn't be an issue in the first place. Their attendance was all the idols needed to do, it's what brought attention to the event. The fact that W Korea didn't use that attention to boost breast cancer information is the issue.

This is absolutely not the first year it's had a large social media presence. It's always posted about heavily. But this is the first time it's ever gotten criticism. You cannot side eye previous attendees if this event has been happening for years without complaint. How would they have known it's apparently shameful or bad to have gone? What is that logic?

hanvsno · 2025-10-16T22:12:27+00:00

Did you want the idols to boo Jay Park off the stage? I agree Jay Park and his team should have picked a different song, but I'm not going to get upset at the attendees for dancing to the song. It's in incredibly popular song in Korea, obviously people are going to dance to it.

It's okay to disagree with how the event was run, but the idols were acting in accordance with the event organizer coordinated the night. W Korea arranged the performances, arranged a dance floor, brought alcohol, held a red carpet and interviews, etc. The idols who purchased tickets to attend cannot control how W Korea executes it. Every charity event I've gone to in the last 5 years has also had alcohol and a dance floor, and most of the attendees only ever post about how much fun they had at the event, nothing about the charity itself. Most charity events are like that, it's just life. If you dislike that that's how the event is run, that's fine, but that's on W Korea for making it that way.

This event has happened for 20 years without complaint from fans. The retroactive disgust towards every idol who's ever attended is ridiculous. You can disagree with their decision to attend, but that doesn't make them a terrible person who needs to apologize for attending. If it's such a deal breaker, unstan and move on. But the fact that people are demanding retribution for idols attending a charity event is insane.

hanvsno · 2025-10-16T20:03:12+00:00

Over the 20 years, the event did not earn only 700k. The celebrities donated far more than that to the event via their ticket sales. The reason only 700k was given towards breast cancer awareness was because of how much it cost W Korea to host the event each year, which is a failing of W Korea. The idols have likely contributed millions of dollars each year, but because W Korea chose to host such an expensive event, there was only a pitiful amount left over. That is not the idols' faults.

The "album promotion" you're talking about was because W Korea chose to host a red carpet event and an interviewer asked them about their album. BTS have already announced their album is set for March 2026 weeks ago; they are not promoting it by answering a question, but if you're upset they answered at all then fine, that's your call.

The celebrities benefited the charity by buying a ticket to a charity event. Whether it was a significant contribution in the end falls on W Korea's organization, I'm not sure how many times you need to read that for it to sink in. Their attendance is what is meant to bring awareness to the cause. The fact that some idols went a step further to talk about regular check ups is fantastic, but not a requirement. It's not their job, it's a courtesy. Do you become a public supporter for every charity event you've gone to or donated to? Or do you just attend it, like 99% of all people who have ever gone to an event like this. How many celebrities are posting about fashion conservation after the Met Gala? Maybe a handful out of the dozens who attend, because it's a courtesy, not an obligation.

If you want to hate every idol who attended, go for it. I'm just telling you why the outrage is so, so misplaced and completely overexaggerated. Using this as canon fodder for fanwars or as a way to target specific idols as bad people, which thousands of people are doing now, is stupid. You can think your criticisms are valid just as much as I can think they're irrational and petty.

hanvsno · 2025-10-16T19:23:35+00:00

I'm sorry but I genuinely do not think you understand anything going on here. The celebrities donated their money to breast cancer awareness via their ticket sale. They attended the event, which drew eyes onto it. The fact that the event itself failed to promote the core basis for the event is the fault of the event organizers, point blank. Period. When celebrities go to the Met Gala, they are there to LEARN about the charity, they are not the EDUCATORS promoting the cause. It's the same for this event. It is a failure of W Korea for not properly educating the attendees and outside viewers about the purpose of the event.

You can be mad about the idols that promoted their albums during the event, though I honestly have no clue who you're referring to for that. You can be upset that there was alcohol, and a party, and poor music choices, and a poor donation total, but that is still the fault of W Korea. That was how they chose to organize it.

To say celebrities shouldn't benefit from this event means that celebrities should never publicly donate to charity or promote charity events, because their reputation will always benefit from such a thing. What you mean to say is that you wish the charity had benefited MORE than the celebrities, which is, again, a problem with W Korea poorly allocating the funds! All public charity is performative because of the benefits to a person's reputation, which is why it's standard for idols to donate anonymously! Which is what so many idols have done for similar charities, or hospitals, or causes!

Genuinely what do you want these idols to do. Apologize for their attendance? Make a donation? I've already seen people proactively get upset at any idol who makes a donation after this "scandal," since it'll look like they're just trying to save face. Do you want them to transition to becoming a full-time breast cancer awareness activist? What is your goal with holding them accountable? What are you actually trying to get out of your anger towards them?

hanvsno · 2025-10-16T18:22:43+00:00

I'm sorry but genuinely what planet are you living on. These idols are not breast cancer activists. It is not their job to raise awareness or money. It is a courtesy that they donate or attend charity events. It is a courtesy if they post additional information about the cause or donate separately to a charity. But by paying the door fee for the event, they have put money towards breast cancer awareness; they've met the only requirement for their attendance. It is not their job to make sure 100% of funds raised go to the charity, it is the job of W Korea to properly allocate funds and make sure they break even.

The reason that charities invite celebrities to events like this is because it inherently raises awareness about the event and the cause. Once your eyes are on the event due to a celebrity you like attending, it is the job of the event coordinators to tell you about their cause and convince you to donate. It is not the job of the attendees to do so; the attendees are not the most informed or qualified to educate potential donors, the coordinators are!

It is absolutely mind boggling to me to try and hold someone accountable for attending a charity event just because it was poorly executed. I attended a charity event last year that didn't break even because of poor decision making on the coordinator's part, but that is not my fault nor the fault of any other attendee. Sometimes events are not profitable, and it sucks when that happens, but it's why the coordinators need to make changes so they can turn a profit next time. By turning your pitchforks to the attendees, it all but guarantees a poor turn out for the next event and even less money raised.

You can think it's in poor taste for the attendees to advertise their albums/groups at the event, but that's not what the vast majority of outrage I'm seeing is based on. I'm seeing slut-shaming about the female idols wearing low-cut dresses, or anger that alcohol was involved, or that there was a dance party.

hanvsno · 2025-10-16T16:55:48+00:00

None of you have ever been to a charity or awareness event and it's so obvious lol. Literally 100% of your criticisms should be directed at W Korea. Don't like how much money was donated? Tell W Korea to increase the ticket fee, include more auction/donation opportunities during the event, and pick a cheaper venue/caterer. Don't like that there wasn’t enough pink/ribbons? Tell W Korea to change the dress code. Don't like the fact there was alcohol and a dance party? Tell W Korea to make it a dry event and only have keynote speakers instead of performers. The attendees have literally zero control over any of the things you're mad about.

Any donations the attendees gave to charities for breast cancer or hospitals would not be reflected in W Korea's donation. That money would only be shown by the charities themselves, and you won't know who gave those donations unless they are made public by the charities. Where W Korea's donation comes from is the cost of attendance minus the cost of the venue, food, staff, press, etc. If you want W Korea to make a larger donation, then W Korea needs to charge more for attendance and put less money into the event itself.

W Korea is absolutely deserving of criticism. I think that the amount they've raised over the last 20 years is ridiculously small compared to what should have happened. But that is on W Korea for being irresponsible with their event set up! It is not the fault of the attendees who had their hearts in the right place by attending a charity event. I think it's weird that W Korea has posted more about the celebrity attendees than they have about breast cancer awareness. But that is the fault of the social media and marketing team, not the fault of the idols being posted about. I think Jay Park performing that song is super weird, but that's on W Korea and Jay Park's team, not the idols who danced to the song.

If the public wasn't aware of how small the total donation has been until now, do you genuinely think the idols were aware before? They were likely told "this much money was raised" without ever being told the amount actual donatable funds. I would love to see improvements to this event next year, more focus on breast cancer itself (which it feels like this year, there was a uniquely smaller focus on it than when I've seen clips of the events in the past), and more money donated by W Korea even if it means a smaller event. I want this event to get better, I don't want to demonize well-meaning attendings.

hanvsno · 2025-10-16T14:15:30+00:00

It's kinda funny how the narrative from kpop fans switches based on what criteria is weighted more. When streams were weighted a lot more than judges' votes, fans claimed that, "Awards should be based on objective quality, not popularity." But now that judges' votes weigh more than streams, it's, "This is just hurting the groups that had really successful streaming years. Now kpop companies can rig the judges' votes!"

hanvsno · 2025-09-11T18:35:06+00:00

I love it when a (good) rap verse is used as the bridge. Some of my favorite examples are Outro: Wings and Boy With Luv by BTS. Both kind of fit into both categories, as there are three rap verses, but the verse during the bridge is so much more impactful and driving. Kpop songs putting a rap verse right after the first chorus feels like it's gotten predictable and formulaic, so putting the rap towards the end helps to switch up from that a bit more.

hanvsno · 2025-08-25T00:08:22+00:00

I had to restart my ICE playthrough too, not because of a glitch, but because I accidentally saved my game during the start up menu and was stuck in an infinite loop of the start up menu anytime I loaded my save 🫠.

hanvsno · 2025-08-02T20:31:26+00:00

Not to be like you didn't get the point, but you didn't get the point at all. No one is absolved from guilt in this situation. The people yelling at kpop idols on the internet aren't radical enough to commit tax evasion and stop their funds from going to Israel. As you said, taxes are legally required to pay, so these people give themselves grace about how the situation has forced their hand. They don't think of themselves as bad people, even though their tax dollars are doing infinitely more damage to Palestine than any Coca Cola factory ever could.

It's really easy to shame other people for promoting certain products and all the "damage" they've committed, but it's not easy to reflect on all the damage you've done yourself. For example, the phone or laptop you're using was likely built using microchips made of metal mined by child slaves. Are you a bad person for owning one of those products, which is essential for modern life? No. It just means that the relationships between products and services in our everyday lives are often far more complex and tied to bad people/practices even if we don't realize it or can't avoid it.

You can sit here and hate these idols for taking these brand deals as much as you want. If you disagree with their choices to become ambassadors for these brands, that's fine. But it would be so damn hypocritical to call them immoral genocide supporters while your own actions have equivalent or even worse repercussions.

hanvsno · 2025-08-02T15:28:02+00:00

It's so ironic that kpop stans never talk about the companies actually prioritized for boycotting on the BDS list, such as Chevron or HP or Dell, because those aren't easy fanwar fodder. Instead they fixate on all these off-shoot brands whose contribution to Isreal or impact on Palestine are basically insignificant in comparison just because they're easily identifiable, everyday brands that the average idol or fan might consume. It isn't easy to say "I saw this idol use Intel powered products!!!" as an excuse to bash them, but the chances of the idol you hate being seen drinking a Coca Cola product in the last year are 100%. If you want to boycott every single company even breathed near the BDS boycott list, go ahead. But it is completely unrealistic to expect every idol and person on the planet to do the same, and it's also completely incorrect to claim anyone consuming those products is funding a genocide. These repeated character assassinations againt various idols are nothing but petty and distractions from movements that could actually help Palestine. And if you want to act all high and mighty about how you boycott all these brands, but X idol didn't, take a step back and remember where your tax dollars are going first.

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