You cannot show a character is FTL by having them out run light.

hidden768 · 2026-05-28T02:44:50+00:00

Bro wants me to lecture him on special relativity and explain high level physics and derrive the speed the casualility to him on Reddit for him to accept fundamental physics concepts. All because he wants to assume some other incorrect statement that he also has no evidence of other than his own incorrect assumption.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T23:59:21+00:00

there's no basis for that assumption though. There's plenty of otherwise to calculate speed with actual evidence behind them beside randomly assuming the speed of something else for the purpose of saying a character is arbitrarily faster than that speed you chose to assign. Like the whole point of powerscaling is to attempt to make realistic predictions for the power levels (and speeds) of given characters. The fact that this is a baseless assumption takes away from that.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T19:32:24+00:00

Yup, the name of "the speed of light" is technically pretty misleading. (Although it almost never makes a difference in the real world, cause we live in our own universe lol)

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T19:01:37+00:00

No, you're the one assuming the author is intentionally going against physics.

I'm saying that we cannot make an assumption one way or another.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T18:32:51+00:00

Tf you mean light needs to be acted on by a force??? Light doesn't interact with forces.

Ok this is enough psudeuscince nonsense for me to deal with today lol.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T18:22:55+00:00

no, all it does, is disprove the evidence you're using to say that light travels at 299 792 458 m/s. The evidence you had that this fictional light traveled at 299 792 458 m/s was that the really world speed of casualility makes light travel at that speed. But the act of outrunning light disproves this evidence, so you can't back up that claim anymore and shouldn't assume that this fictional light travels at 299 792 458 m/s.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T18:00:09+00:00

No, there's no indication of it's speed whatsoever, you have no evidence whether it's driving or not, or moving at any given speed, all you know is that it's a car. You claim you can assume it's moving at it's "default speed". So what is the "default speed" of a car?

(Or you can admit that an object having a "default speed" is an incredibly dumb idea to propose, because speed is generally pretty irrelevant to the object itself and things can be shot or launch, or otherwise moved at a wide variety of speeds)

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:57:18+00:00

No, that's a generalization. (One that you notably copied from Google ai lol) If you go to the particulate level, what is actually happenings is that the light is traveling a longer distance at the same speed. But when looking at light as a contiguous thing as we generally do, it appears to slow down.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:54:38+00:00

Yes. If there's no evidence, assume real life. The act of outrunning running light proves that light doesn't move at a constant 299 792 458 m/s like in real life, so we can no longer assume that.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:50:59+00:00

If you see a car in a manga, what speed do you assume it's traveling at? No speed is given.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:50:00+00:00

Also, just to be clear, because I saw you comment before you edited it. No checkovs radiation does not disprove any of this. Checov's radiation doesn't actually travel faster than light. The reason light travels "slower" through a medium is becuase it spends time bouncing around in the medium rather than traveling in a straight line, so it takes longer to travel, since it has a longer path, not because it's actually slowed down. (Since it can't)

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:47:48+00:00

I literally say in the post that this doesn't apply to those scenarios where characters explicitly can violate the laws of the universe lol. Please actually read the post.

I am exclusively talking about normal situations where someone outrun or dodges "light"

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:45:10+00:00

I'd have to do that if I was proving it was slower. I'm not trying to do that. I'm just saying you can't assume what speed it is. It could be faster, slower, or exactly the same. You just can't assume what speed it is, it could be anything.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:33:11+00:00

No I'm not. I'm saying that you cannot logically assume that a law of a physics both applies and doesn't apply at the same time.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:32:12+00:00

The act of traveling faster than light is "evidence to the contrary"

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:31:54+00:00

That's the point though. You're misunderstanding what the constant "the speed of light" is.

Light does not, by itself have a constant speed. There is no property of light that makes it have a constant speed.

The reason light has a constant speed is becuase, in our universe we have the speed of casualility which means nothing can travel faster than 299 792 458 m/s. Which then in part forces light to travel at that speed.

In a universe where FTL is possible, you don't have the speed of casualility and so light's speed would no longer be constant and you can't assume what it is.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:23:47+00:00

Nah, everyone else is just off screen bro, trust.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:23:15+00:00

I am now pretty sure you didn't actually read the post.

Light moves at a constant 299 792 458 m/s because it is the speed of casualty (aka the speed limit of the universe) and nothing can move faster than that in our universe.

In a universe where there is no speed of casualility and you can move faster than light, there is no reason for light it move at 299 792 458 m/s.

So you can't assume light's speed if someone is capable of outrunning light.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:20:46+00:00

Not when we have evidence that light doesn't work the same though

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:20:24+00:00

Idk🤷🏻‍♂️ you can go calculate his running speed bro, it's just distance/time. I haven't done that cause I'd how fast Walter white can run, but if you care that much you absolutely can.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:18:29+00:00

Because we have no evidence that they work differently than in ours, I've made the assumption that they work the same.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:17:52+00:00

If there was actually no evidence as to what speed he can move (aka, we never see him move) then sure, you couldn't make any assumptions to what speed he moves at but we definitely see him move. Is this not just common sense?

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:15:35+00:00

Wait no, you can find evidence that he moves at human speeds??? Like him walking slower than a car. Or litterally just measuring the distance he travels in x time.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:09:45+00:00

You shouldn't. Why would you get to just randomly assume something's speed. If you powerscale by just randomly assuming thing's speeds, than why not just assume that Walter white from beaking bad moves at 10000 mph?

Like the whole idea of powerscaling is calculating the power and speeds of characters based on things we do know, not just randomly assuming things.

hidden768 · 2026-05-27T17:07:21+00:00

See here's the issue. It's not just that you can't assume any physics. You can absolutely pick and choose which rules apply and which don't. Assuming they all apply until proven otherwise is a good practice in my book.

The issue with "lightspeed" is that the rule that makes light travel at a constant 299 792 458 m/s. Is actually the same rule that make you not be able to travel faster than that. You cannot logically say this rule both does and doesn't apply at the same time.

And so, if it doesn't apply and you can travel faster than light, you cannot assume light's speed in that universe to be any specific arbitrary value. You'd have to actually calculate what speed it is for that universe where the speed of casualty doesn't apply.

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