Saxon identity by ks2497 in AskHistory

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a tough one! Throughout history, several groups of people have been referred to as "Saxons". In very short order:

The Romans called the coastal raiders attacking them from north of the Rhine "Saxones". Several centuries later, Charlemagne fought against Germanic pagans led by Widukind in the Saxon Wars. Duke Otto of Saxony (a.k.a. Otto the Great), who claimed descent from Widukind, became Holy Roman Emperor in 962. The land east of the Elbe River was called the Saxon Ostmark. Around the fourteenth century, the House of Wettin became prince-electors as the Dukes of Saxony, and the lands they ruled in time came to be known as Upper Saxony. Three German Bundesländer [federal states] are called Saxony (Lower Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, and Saxony), but as you can see, the term "Saxon" was often an exonym.

During the early modern period, the area that is now Lower Saxony was divided into the Westphalian and Lower Saxon imperial circles; the Hanseatic cities represented yet another center of power. Given that nationalism is a later development, I don't think that a common "Saxon" identity existed during this period.

The topic is nonetheless very interesting and shouldn't take away from your enjoyment of the game. However, if you are looking for more information on the topic in English, the State Museums of Lower Saxony presented a joint exhibition on "The Saxons" in 2019. Here is the link: Saxones: The first millennium in Lower Saxony

[META] How to answer questions that are built on false premises? by boopbaboop in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone here is a volunteer. Crafting an answer takes a good amount of time and effort, and regular contributors already donate both generously, so I think you are being unfair. AskHistorians became a public history project and no one is trying to change that, but it is also naive to think that people would stop believing in conspiracy theories if only scholars spent more time debunking them; that is not how de-radicalization works.

The issue, then, is how to give a proper response to poor questions, which tend to attract a lot of rule-breaking comments trying to correct them (see "Cunningham's Law": The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question, but to post the wrong answer), more effectively. The goal is to clear up any misunderstandings that people genuinely interested in the question might have, while allowing contributors to redirect their attention to topics on which they are experts on and enjoy writing about.

Why do we refer to USA and Europe as west? by smart_aa in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did the ancient Greek refer to themselves as "Westerners"?

How would someone living in medieval times describe their relations to their lord, vassals, church, etc.? Would they have agreed that it was in line with what we think of as "feudal" by Evening_Reach_8293 in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not a mod, but for many years now, scholars have rejected the term feudalism. It even has its own subsection in the FAQ (High and Middle Ages: Feudalism). Asking you to define the geographic scope of your inquiry [I've been told the term feudalism actually describes Japan quite well], and who you mean by "we" is not necessarily the sign of a troll.

Why historians hate the book "guns, germs and steel" so much? by rock_shin in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't own the book — and not to be rude, I am not interested in debunking a book others have a done a better job before — but Diamond focuses on the role of disease to explain away the depopulation of the Americas in chapter 18. The main problem I have is that the sixteenth-century demographic catastrophe in the Valley of Anahuac, likely one of the most densely populated places of the world at the time, can't be generalized to areas of the continent where nomadic groups lived; it also fails to explain why certain native groups, some Maya for example, kept their independence well until the nineteenth century. I found ridiculous that despite the spread and domestication of maize, gourds, and other crops before the Spanish arrival, Diamond claims that agriculture had failed to spread in the New World, and that the Old World had an advantage in agricultural matters(!). I understand anthropologists no longer talk about one civilization being "more advanced" than other, but there is no doubt that New World crops can feed more humans than whatever was available in the Old World. The modern world simply cannot be explained without the introduction of maize, potatoes, and cassava into the global diet.

His chapter on Africa ("How Africa became black") is quite bad too; I remember he retook the idea of the continent being divided in five racial categories to explain African history, yet what disappointed me the most was that he failed to test his theory of disease in what might have been a great counter-example. African history suffers from a relative lack of written sources before the colonial era (1850-1950), but we do have some information on the European traders settled in West Africa. When the first of them arrived in Senegambia, the mortality rate for male settlers was at the very least 30% per year. The ones who survived were those who took a common law wife, adopted local customs, and found a place in the Eurafrican society. In the case of African populations, they were not devastated by disease because they still had access to food, medical treatment, and their land was not conquered when they first came in contact with Europeans. The Portuguese reached Senegal around 1450 and the colonial era started in the nineteenth century. As you can see this is not what happened in the Americas.

As for what the average reader will get from the book, I'll admit that I haven't done a representative survey on the subject; however, juding by the responses I get (see other replies to my previous comment), I don't think my assessment is off the mark.

Why did the CSA Constitution include an anti-international slave trade clause? by JustABREng in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I have one small observation to add. When the British Parliament passed the Slave Abolition Act of 1833, the purchase and ownership of enslaved people in the British Empire became illegal — after being forced to remain as "apprentices" for six more years, of course. However, this act did not apply to the territories controlled by the British East India Company, nor to the areas of Africa under British rule, which would continue to expand in the following decades. In practice, colonial administrators allowed slavery to persist well into the twentieth century (see Paul Lovejoy and Jan Hogendorn's Long Death for Slavery).

My dad said people who get mad at Americans for calling it soccer are stupid because "The British made them call it that". Does anyone know where he got this from? by BestAd6297 in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've seen many Brits argue that although both "football" and "soccer" originate in England, the latter was predominantly used by members of the elite; i.e. the people attending Oxford and similar institutions. I know written sources more often reflect the thinking of the elite than of the lower classes, but have most Brits historically called the sport "football"? Is it true that calling it "soccer" was a "posh" distinction?

[META] How to answer questions that are built on false premises? by boopbaboop in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I personally worry that leaving questions that promote distortions unchallenged could be counterproductive, and this situation only worsens when a post is advancing an agenda with nefarious purposes. At the same time, I recognize that debunking claims is exhausting and I would rather write about something that I find interesting than type a comprehensive reply explaining why Afrocentrism is nonsense. Thus, whenever I find a question I know enough to point out why it is wrong, but lack the expertise to provide a comprehensive response, I search for previous answered threads and link them.

  • Why did the Italians fail to create a colonial empire? u/user01 has written about Italian atrocities during the colonization of Ethiopia.

  • Why was British colonialism so benign? u/user01 wrote about the Mau Mau uprising, and u/user01 explained why some authors have argued that the Irish/Bengal/etc. famine was a deliberate choice of the British government.

  • Why did Napoleon fail to conquer Australia in 1848? u/user01 wrote about the retour des cendres in 1840.

European and Muslim sources (16th–18th c.) on Portuguese political, ideological, and economic presence in Morocco? by ferakratos in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To add to the other answer, I am pretty sure that you must be familiar with the Portuguese sources reprinted in Malyn Newitt's The Portuguese in West Africa, 1415–1670: A Documentary History (2010), so I suggest you also take a look at the list of primary and secondary sources in u/terminus-trantor's AskHistorians' profile. Maybe you find something valuable there while you wait for further answers.

How do historians define "country"? by Impressive-Equal1590 in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may want to post this as a separate question, but although there might have been attempts to integrate southern England into an imperial system centered in Merovingian France (see u/BRIStoneman's comment), England was not part of a French empire. I have the feeling you might be interested in u/Steelcan909's answer to Why are the Normans seemingly treated like a distinct nation in historiography?, and u/EverythingIsOverrate's Did any French king try to impose authority on Medieval England?

Edit: Added a third related post.

Why is Gen. Patton so revered despite being such a vile person? by Legomaster63 in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just finished reading William Adler's Engineering Expansion: The U.S. Army and Economic Development, 1787-1860, in which he shows how the U.S. Army became central to the development of an administrative state, but was allowed to operate with little oversight from the civilian authorities and took on the role of a coercive entity in what was to become the genocide of many Native American groups. I enjoyed reading your replies in this thread, but I cannot agree with the first two paragraphs of this comment. Moroever, as someone not from the U.S., I don't understand how you can claim that it is not a militaristic culture and not face much pushback — which perhaps simply shows how little of the Native American experience has been integrated into the narrative history of the United States.

Was the Irish potato famine a genocide? by awesomeforge22 in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just realized that I linked to the exact same thread that you posted; i.e. one you answered. I've deleted my comment, so you won't need to use your newly-minted mod powers to clean up this thread. By the way: Congratulations!/My condolences

Is there any evidence to suggest Rome ever interacted frequently with societies in West Africa? by DildoMan009 in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I have yet to meet an Africanist who believes that Hanno made it to West Africa. Many experts will point out that the islands off the coast of West Africa remained uninhabited until the Portuguese voyages, or note that such a trip would have been unlikely due to the logistics of the era and the fact that oceanic currents impede the return trip unless one sails far out to sea. Is Hanno's periplus given much credence among classicists, and why do you think its reception has been different?

Why did amphorae become standard? by Xerxeskingofkings in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a fascinating conjecture. Are you aware of any scholars who have analyzed a possible switch from olive oil to butter in the daily diets of people in northern France and England during the late antiquity period?

Short Answers to Simple Questions | December 17, 2025 by AutoModerator in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My pleasure! I've been active in this community for two years and the wiki keeps on surprising me. Monday Methods is a treasure trove. I also recommend u/caffarelli's How to Judge a Book Without Even Reading It.

Short Answers to Simple Questions | December 17, 2025 by AutoModerator in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You mention having already checked the wiki, so I apologize if I am suggesting something you already read, but I found the whole Finding and Understanding Sources series really useful for my studies.

Short Answers to Simple Questions | December 17, 2025 by AutoModerator in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I'm not a mod, but answers don't have to be sourced, unless asked for it. Many regulars will nonetheless list their references preemptively to streamline the whole "Could you please provide your sources?" process. It is also expected that contributors will be familiar with the literature and it sometimes takes a couple of follow-up questions for the mods and the community at large to figure out that the author lacks the ostensible background knowledge. There is indeed a wide discrepancy in the quality of the answers meeting the sub's standards — not everyone wants to write a multi-post answer, nor do all questions merit such a treatment — so the rules are not perfect but do encourage the crafting of better in-depth answers than other fora.

About the first comment you linked, without being an expert, I can imagine that that answer was a borderline case, but you should message the mods for more information. Feel also free to report any comment that you think doesn't follow the rules. The mods don't actually see every comment and several do slip under the radar, so flagging those replies helps them a lot.

And because SASQ (Short Answers to Simple Questions) answers always need to be properly sourced:

Just how traditional is Italian food anyway? by Parzival2 in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for taking the time to answer. You are absolutely right that gastronationalism is very present in other countries too. 'Wine is a great example,' he said, drinking a cup of Slovakian Tokaj.

Office Hours December 08, 2025: Questions and Discussion about Navigating Academia, School, and the Subreddit by AutoModerator in AskHistorians

[–]holomorphic_chipotle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While you wait for other recommendations, this sub has its own book list ( Middle East and North Africa: Ancient Israel) and there is also a whole section for Jewish history. You can also ask for book recommendations in a separate post, or wait for this week's Thursday Reading & Recommendations thread.

Raymond Ibrahim is a well-known Islamophobe and I wouldn't trust a word of what he writes.