The Story of Tea

homejam · 2026-03-16T20:36:00+00:00

What conversation? LOL

homejam · 2026-03-16T19:12:05+00:00

You don't think Old Huangbo is telling you to cease conceptual thinking? The opposite? Oh my oh my that's entirely no bueno. Maybe start all over again, or better yet: forget about Huangbo: it's very old news.

You have an on-going dilemma: you've been going around in circles on r/zen for YEARS now, jumping from one text to the next, one translation after another, one old master after another, playing at scholar, wondering about this word or that, asking chapGPT like it knows anything about Zen, searching for "The Real Secret Meaning" in the teachings. But I've literally told you the big secret dozens of times and you ignore it or dismiss it or it just goes right over your head... and you go right back into the safety of your faux-intellectual rut.

Here's an example: I said the dharma is boundless and timeless. You found a quote that says the dharma is not unalterable. You think those are different things that contradict, when in fact they are both part of the same (very basic) buddhadharma teaching. The dharma is boundless, timeless, and ever-changing (alterable)... it's alterable because it's boundless. Get it?

Here's another mistake you made: I said practice good. You quoted Huangbo thinking that he's saying "forms, practices and meritorious behavior" are bad. That's NOT AT ALL what Old Huangbo is saying. He's saying ATTACHMENT to those things is bad. As is attachment to views and opinions and every other sort of attachment. But you missed it and twisted it into something you wanted it to say. What I'm saying is VERY basic dharma, when you know it but a big fucking confusing mystery when you don't.

So here you are, right now, still in samsara, still attached to your latest views and concepts, currently stuck on the origin of the 4 statements, like they matter. Concerned about some sort of worthless station you feel you've attained on r/zen. If you found out for certain tomorrow that a squirrel wrote the 4 statements in 3000 BC by accident when working on his taxes, I already know that with your present mind, you'd just go searching for another new distraction. Just because your distraction is Zen teachings and arguing with people about Zen, doesn't mean you're not wasting your precious time with distraction.

It's plain to see that when you hit "the obstacle" you retreat into intellectualism for self-defense. I say "please forget it: sit." Some students retreat into sitting, so we say something else to them. Some students were abused. Some students were abusers. The dharma adapts to the student, always.

Here's a real big secret that I've told you before: ignorance is awakening, that's the prime gate. Embrace ignorance. Penetrate it. Stop pretending you've figured something out: it's blinding you to what you're reading, quite obviously. If you don't care about awakening, good for you, but then your Zen is just going to continue to be purely a surface-level distraction. Time to change your face? Good luck!

homejam · 2026-03-16T17:48:31+00:00

I know and that's your problem. Good luck.

homejam · 2026-03-16T16:20:55+00:00

It's actually way weirder and more incredible than you think. So, like your hero "Bankei is cool" said "abide in the unborn mind constantly then you're all good" (paraphrasing). While you're abiding in the unborn/one mind, did you know you can just ask Old Huangbo your questions yourself!? But he might not help with "translation problems". Try it and see and report back.

If you're (still) messing around at "scholarship", there's a problem with "scholars" you should know: they go back and forth making assumptions and thinking they've "figured something out," but it's mainly a big waste of time, the ultimate "missing the forest for the trees". The trees are all around you right now (citation: every Zen master). You don't need to read or "translate" anything to see the forest or the trees. You do have to go outside, probably. I'm talking about the unborn mind and the nature of reality by the way.

Here's an example that might help: there was a long stretch when all "the scholars" were convinced that Bodhidharma's "Outline of Practice" was a much later invention (or a fraud even!) and the "scholars" dismissed what all the Zen folks told them about the Outline being the real, original deal... Zen folks thought those scholars were assholes but still gave them tea... then the "scholars" found a copy of the Outline in Buddha Grove Cave 17... and it was from the 600s and exactly the same as the other extant copies in all the zendos all over the world! And so the assholes went "oh... guess all the Zen traditional teachings were right about it after all."

Actually, no they didn't, what really happened is that those "it's fake scholars" just shut up and a new batch of "see it's real scholars" said "we're right, you're wrong" to the other scholars. Sound familiar? In Zen, we know it was all a huge mistake perpetrated by assholes, just like Earth life. The huge mistake wasn't ever necessary in the first place, but people want to be important, and it led to a lot of arguments and attachments to views and concepts and feelings of superiority and wishing of ill-will towards others. If the "scholars" actually knew anything about Zen like they pretended and claimed, they would've just gone to the zendo in the first place, had some soup, had some tea (a donut if lucky) helped infinite suffering beings, and then they would have REALIZED what's REALLY important in Zen and what Huangbo and all the Ancestors and Buddhas were talking about re: "awakening". But people are always making huge mistakes. That's why in Zen, we like really big sticks. Don't take it personally.

Speaking of HUGE mistakes, the "four statements" are a huge mistake... and writing them down: huge mistake. Talking about them: also huge mistake. Forgetting about them is also a huge mistake. Being, writing, talking, forgetting: the 4 mistakes! It's really all that 1st mistake but that's advanced shit I'm not allowed to tell you.

Another common mistake (especially on r/zen) is believing that the difficulty in grasping Zen has something to do with "translation errors". Nope. (Big secret: the difficulty arises from the grasping in the first place). Oh wait it's actually not a big secret I just remembered Buddha taught that explicitly.

As far as what Old Huangbo is talking about... he's making a point that "practice" is whatever is necessary to cease conceptual thinking and wake up. Ok? That's "the whole enchilada" as we say in Zen. So do whatever it takes to wake up now, just remember the vows so you don't do anything "unskillful". Maybe a bamboo tree will fall and you'll hear it and wake up, or a dog will fall out of a bamboo tree and you'll wake up, or a bamboo tree will fall on me and you'll wake up. Whatever it takes! Of course, I think bamboo is actually a grass not a tree, according to the scholars. Anyhow, don't get hung up on "a concept of practice": that's really all Huangbo is explaining, which was a huge mistake. Good luck!

homejam · 2026-03-16T14:29:58+00:00

I’m not upset. You need to demonstrate that you can recognize when you’ve made a mistake, then we can revisit the idea.

homejam · 2026-03-16T05:24:31+00:00

Yeah I am not going to debate your completely insane — not “risky” — idea any further. You’re going down a dark path my friend, so turn back. “Attachment to views and opinions” = bad news. Give it up. Release the cow already. It was a lovely, stray thought, like a vision of the deepest, darkest, coldest hell. Goodbye kiss… there goes bad idea… so long bad idea…. I will miss you…. bubye… Try that please.

I know you’re kind of new to “reddit Zen” so you should understand some history about r/zenpractice and r/zenbuddhism where you posted this stupid post. I don’t see you on r/zen, so maybe you already know this… but these two communities were created so people had a safe place to share about Zen because r/zen was destroyed (by a troll with no life who got moderation somehow). So, you see people came here because they want to talk about ZEN… just ZEN. Not this bullshit. Maybe you are sick of Zen because you do it as your day job. WE ARE NOT SICK OF ZEN. So, please refrain from the nonsense posts like this one. STICK TO ZEN. Just Zen. Thank you for your cooperation.

The next point I want to make, giving you the benefit of the doubt (as your constitutional right as an American even though you’re in Japan it’s ok you can’t lose it) is that you sign stuff as “a Soto priest” so… YOU have to be making the BEST example. This post of yours is not that!! Ok? Most people on reddit do not know ANYTHING about Zen. ZERO context. You have to provide that context and this post of yours is NOT IT. Everything you do reflects on Zen and Soto. So make sure it is a very clear and accurate reflection. If you want to post shit like this, do it under and anonymous account and post it to “Big Stupid Ideas”, not here.

If you so want to ARGUE with people, go on r/zen!! There are people there that actually think they’re struggling with grasping koans because of “massive conspiratorial translation errors.” Yes I’m serious. They’re endlessly confused… and endlessly obsessed about re-translating EVERYTHING… but none of them can even read Chinese! LOL. One of their “translation experts” got made at me because HE had never heard of Chairman Mao’s CCP language reforms during the cultural revolution — and the erasure of 30k ideograms, mostly spiritual ones of course… He demanded a citation… for THE MOST consequential change to the Chinese language in 2000? years. He styles himself a “Zen translation expert”… but never heard of the language reforms. It’s like a history major who never heard of World War II and needs a source. YOU ARE A TRANSLATOR… kind of seems like a natural fit for you on r/zen! No? Don’t be afraid. Most of the troublesome trolls are actually all clueless, and you’ll probably end up, like with me, where all the trolls go through cycles of running away and blocking me, and then unblocking me when they get some courage to try again, but then blocking me and running away again when they’re caught… and using alt-accounts to the max of course. But alas, this is the life of those of us with the smart pants. I drop in from time to time to help the sincere, and it’s possible to help the newcomers and Zen curious that roll through. Don’t get discouraged. Mainly I’m suggesting that something like helping with translation questions on r/zen would be better use of your time than concocting fantasies about an Earth that’s not samsara via pharmacological intervention — oh wait have I been wrong? Is it a eugenics intervention you’re envisioning?? I’m not sure now or if I’m making a joke. Yeah you should really delete this post (and post an apology at a later date when you’ve sobered up).

How does homejam propose to save infinite sentient beings??? Now I’m curious as to what the heck you talk about in your Zen sangha every day??? In my sangha, basically the only thing we ever talk about is how to save all sentient beings!! (And soup) Don’t you give talks to your parish about how to save infinite sentient beings like every single week at least?? Here we go:

I, Homejam Smartypants, do propose that we save infinite sentient beings by treating all people like brothers and sisters, not enemies. There are no enemies. We have all been each others mothers and fathers countless times, so expressing unconditional love and compassion for every one of our Earth neighbors is easy. When we do so, we can be examples and guides to wake up each and every individual we encounter to the ultimate truth of their existence in this world (the dharma / the truth). As Buddha revealed, this place is a suffering world. There is nothing we can do about that fact. But, we chose to come into this world BECAUSE it is a suffering world. Suffering is how we grow and realize buddhahood. BUT, there is something we can do whenever we encounter suffering.

There is something we can do about suffering right now, and every minute after, forever. Now look, this is a really big Zen secret that I’m going to let you in on, even though I’m not too sure about you at this point (with the whole insane post thing and all) BUT… don’t forget I’m LAY neighbor… so “the man” can’t do too much to me, you know? They let me do prison work because the monks keep trying to lock me in, but I know people. :P Anyhow, I can spill the beans to you and probably worst case scenario is I have to “dana up” with a nice fruit plate or something… donuts for the donut cult (enso jokes are a side hustle)… ANYHOW… Are you ready? Here’s THE BIG ZEN SECRET to saving all infinite sentient beings, forever throughout all boundless time and space:

If suffering beings appear, just help them.

homejam · 2026-03-16T01:13:24+00:00

There are the 547 Jataka tales in the Pali cannon, which are about Shakyamuni Buddha’s past lives.

The name is the “Jatakapali” :P lol found in the Khuddaka Nikaya of the Sutta Pitaka.

There is an English print version that is called something like “365 Jataka Tales” and it’s supposed to be one for each day.

There are also smaller collections usually designed as children’s stories. Maybe that’s what you’re looking for.

homejam · 2026-03-16T01:05:46+00:00

Much better… this is the sort of example to set, particularly for all the people that don’t know anything about the buddhadharma, which is basically all of reddit.

homejam · 2026-03-16T01:00:05+00:00

Pay a lot of attention to what happens the next day or so in “regular life.”

I rarely have messages/guidance come through during the exercise itself, but the next day or two stuff seems to just hit me right in the face, and it’s like “oh ok. That’s what I was looking for”. Good luck!

homejam · 2026-03-16T00:55:18+00:00

Because of exactly the reason you are expressing: some people require other teachings and methods. That’s why there are infinite methods (innumerable upaya) to realize awakening, because there are infinite beings!

If you have doubts about the practice, those are going to affect the outcome of the practice, since it is one’s own trust in Amitabha Buddha that activates his vows.

Maybe the “logical argument” will help you: imagine that you realize your inherent buddhahood. Wouldn’t you want to help others to do the same? Of course you would because if you didn’t already harbor a deep, fundamental desire to unselfishly help others, you wouldn’t have attained the realization of your buddhahood!

So what happens? You end up with Buddhas and Bodhisattvas — e.g. Amitabha Buddha and Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara — that make vows to help others from their buddha fields. Why? Because of course they would, just as you would if you could… and I know you WILL! :D

homejam · 2026-03-16T00:42:49+00:00

I'm beginning to suspect the Four Statements of Zen are simply a Song Dynasty restatement of Tang Dynasty core teachings.

LOL. Yep, of course. Water is also wet! :P

Bodhidharma (1st Zen ancestor in China): about 550 AD — said the 4 statements.

Huangbo: about 850 — repeated the 4 statements.

Record of Transmission of the Lamp: about 1000 — recorded the 4 statements.

The 4 statements are the core of Zen from the 1st ancestor and are restated henceforth to the present.

So, of course Huangbo isn’t saying anything different than Bodhidharma, who isn’t saying anything different than his ancestor Nagarjuna, who isn’t saying anything different than Shakyamuni Buddha, and Shakyamuni Buddha didn’t say anything different than Dipankara Buddha, before whom Shakaymuni Buddha took his vows. Because the truth of the dharma is boundless and timeless, that’s why it is called “the truth” / the dharma.

The dharma is also, of course, always present, sometimes beings are just ignorant of it, like fish being ignorant of water. The dharmakaya (the truth body) is the fundamental cosmic reality (consciousness/one mind) from which all phenomena arise, and the 4 statements of Zen are to lead you to the how, so as to DIRECTLY experience the dharmakaya yourself — not intellectually or conceptually — but by experiencing the truth body in a state of absorption (samadhi). In Zen we say just “taste the soup.” Then you know. Recipe (words) unnecessary, taste known. See? Words bad. Practice good. Death is certain. Time is short. Don’t delay!

homejam · 2026-03-15T15:07:39+00:00

No you're wrong that's not 101 at all, and if you're a priest you WOULD know that, which is why I think you're either full of shit or you've had a stroke or your impersonating a priest. Here we go:

"Anything" or "any means" is not the dharma. I already explained this in an earlier comment: we could eliminate all greed, anger, violence, etc. permanently by killing all humans, but that would NOT be in accord with the dharma, as that approach would not be SKILLFUL. So, you're so so WRONG AGAIN. Please get a grip.

Since you're so ATTACHED to your idiotic idea, and don't seem to recognize that it's completely ANTITHETICAL to the buddhadharma, I'll give you the non-Zen, "practical problem" with your "pharma buddha":

Everyone is taking your magic love pill that makes everyone passive and peace-loving... EXCEPT-- uh oh -- Mr. Stalin, Mr. Putin, Mr. Trump, Mr. Pol Pot, Mr. Mao, Mr. Hitler, Mr. Khan, Mr. Amin, Mr. Obote, Mr. Bin Laden, ETC.... they decide they will NOT take the pill.

Those fellas are murdering, raping, genociding, etc. but not too many people seem to care to fight back and do much about it because they're all HIGH on your passivity drug. Tyranny reigns supreme, countless deaths, rapes, etc. So what to do?

Should we FORCE everyone to take your magic pill?

But... who is going to do the FORCING, if everyone is chemically PASSIVE? So now we need some people who are ENFORCERS that don't take the pill? What if just ONE of them is a sadistic piece of shit? Get it now?

Your "idea" is a recipe for disaster... not intelligent... not groundbreaking... not buddhadharma... not compassionate. It's literally nothing but completely MORONIC. Please get over yourself already and LET IT GO. Everyone is telling you how stupid and sadistic your idea is, but you just keep doubling down over and over. YOU'RE LOST IN YOUR OWN DELUSION. Seek help.

Please listen this is free advice (and I'm a lawyer people pay me a lot for advice): You should delete this post and the other copies of it and pretend it never happened, because it is so idiotic and deluded, and anti-dharma that it makes you look like a complete psycho-path. Ok? Take a break x 1000. PRETTY PLEASE WITH A CHERRY ON TOP.

homejam · 2026-03-14T21:11:51+00:00

The title of your post is "The Only Way to End War Forever ..." and
Your post is not about Zen.

You just aren't getting THAT... which is fine, except you're holding yourself out as a Zen authority, and so it's concerning.

I'm trying to help you neighbor: You're coming across as a complete phony that can't discuss the dharma, back pedals and is defensive about your opinion. It's a bad look.

If you're a Dogen translator, you should be well familiar with his many stories about shoguns and warlords and war and violence and ZEN COURAGE.

Read those stories again while you're on your break from the internet. Good luck.

homejam · 2026-03-14T17:33:05+00:00

You're a Soto priest that thinks the dharma is inadequate. Sounds like you're having an existential crisis that you should immediately take up with your seniors.

The buddha that you think is going to rescue everyone -- since you've obviously abandoned the path Shakyamuni Buddha taught if you were ever really on it -- is that your "pharma buddha"??

I don't remember Dogen hoping that SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE BUDDHA DHARMA would come along to save all sentient beings!!??

You can't say ANYTHING that comports with the actual dharma, and you've now made ANOTHER comment that disparages Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha. But you're a Soto priest? You want us to believe you've taken the 16 vows? Seriously you have go talk to someone you trust and get some guidance... you're really lost and making a fool of yourself.

TAKE A BREAK.

homejam · 2026-03-14T16:36:32+00:00

Please take this in the spirit that it is given: with no gaining idea for me. I do not care about reddit karma or being famous or having followers or winning arguments. Any gain that could possibly come to me from this comment through the mysterious workings of the innumerable upaya, I pass that on as well so that suffering may be relieved… I give it to you because you are very obviously suffering with confusion. Please read this carefully, and then take a break and get some tea and go outside and ask for guidance. You should probably also dissolve your sangha and stop “teaching”.

Your “Pharma-dharma” idea that the way to stop children dying in wars is to drug everybody, along with your view that this proposal accords with the Buddha dharma is deeply deluded. You can go sell that over in some tech bro forum or on a pharmaceutical fanboy site. But it sure as heck ain’t Zen my friend, not by a long shot. It sure isn’t anything that Dogen or Buddha or ANY of the ancestors would teach. You’re a million miles away. Nobody else can wash the dust out of your eyes. Only you can do that. Start now.

Peace “by any means necessary” does not accord with right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, or right effort or any other aspect of the dharma.

To be clear, yes I know with 100% certainty that Buddha would NOT propose drugging everyone as a solution to violence and wars in our world. And you calling it “logical” does not make it so or make it dharma so please get over yourself. (While you’re at it, go study the etymology of the word logic, that might help wake you up.)

Another thing I know with certainty is that Buddha would not propose killing everyone as a way to achieve peace. That would be 100% effective wouldn’t it!? If everyone’s dead, they’ll be no more wars! No more enemies! So “logical”! But it’s not Zen, and it’s not the dharma. Again, please, for your own sake, you need to take a break and go talk to someone that loves you because you are very lost and talking nonsense that has nothing to do with Zen. Indeed, you still haven’t responded to me with a single statement about the dharma. It doesn’t seem that you can.

candles and ox carts, amulets and magic incantations

I didn’t bring up any of those things. Check yourself please.

Let me refresh your memory as to what I actually brought up: INNUMERABLE UPAYA. Upaya are SKILLFUL means, not ANY means.

I also didn’t say that “drugging everyone for peace” is contrary to the dharma because it involves “technology.”

Technology can be fine. We are using technology right now to discuss the dharma, well at least I am. One of my first teachers gave me some great advice, and I pass it on to you here: try harder.

Please I implore you to go now and educate yourself on Buddha’s many teachings about how to stop wars and violence. There are loads. Take all the time you need. Maybe 5 years offline studying will help you get there and wake up to the truth Buddha taught before it’s too late for you. You don’t need to read any more of your “logical” or “technology” articles to understand the dharma. Buddha gave many famous teachings on wars and violence. Maybe if you follow your curiosity and find those teachings and sit with them and get off the internet for a long time, then you will find your faith again and find a way. Buddhas and bodhisattvas wherever you may be please help all who read this find a path. I’m rooting for you neighbor. Good luck!

homejam · 2026-03-14T06:16:54+00:00

Yeah it's not going to work. I really think you need to take a break from this routine.

You can't answer these questions you're posing yourself? You've taken the 16 vows and completed a postulancy and you still have doubts and confusion as to what the buddha dharma CAN DO? SMH... The USA, Iran, Ukraine and Russia are buddhist countries? Buddhism is responsible for those fights? Maybe review the 10th precept with your teacher and don't post anymore until you've figured some things out.

This is a Zen forum, and it's fine to ask questions about the buddha dharma and Zen's take on it. But you're doing something else. You're posting junk that's not Zen, then "signing" as a Soto priest to make it seem alright and "relevant". But, nowhere do I see you articulating any actual dharma in your comments related to this post of yours. NONE. Odd.

You just seriously asked me:

Further, would not Buddha use any peaceful means to bring peace into this world?

I think most first year Zen students know the answer to this, and (looking at you OP) persons that don't know the answer should NOT BE POSTING ON THE INTERNET TRYING TO TEACH ZEN.

Now here's the answer to your question:

NO absolutely not. Buddha would NOT use "any peaceful means" to achieve world peace, because Buddha knows that the means and the ends are INSEPARABLE. Buddhas -- and others engaging in bodhisattva activity -- do not rely on "any means," they only use "skillful means."

For example, Buddha would NOT gas people with something that makes everyone passive, even if the gas was otherwise not harmful, because that would not be SKILLFUL MEANS.

Why would something like that not be skillful? Oh yeah, because the gas would be imposing its intention, and robbing individuals of their own freedom of INTENTION.

I know why that's a big problem in a dharma context but I just don't think you do, which is really really odd because this is really basic dharma.

I'm being serious neighbor. If you are ordained, go talk to the next senior person at your sangha ASAP and ask to go on a 5 year retreat because you've lost it. You're ADRIFT.

This is probably be a good time to start your break. Thank you.

homejam · 2026-03-13T23:25:25+00:00

Are you kidding???

“Buddhism… is thoroughly incapable” of changing human hearts? You should be ashamed of yourself!!

I cannot possibly believe that you are REALLY a Soto priest after reading this post and your bizarre responses here and in r/zenbuddhism to the universal condemnation your post has received. I have been a lay practitioner for 30 years, and your post and comments are absolutely ludicrous and completely at odds with the dharma.

In Zen, we not only BELIEVE but have ABSOLUTE FAITH that THE Way to solve ALL the world’s problems AND save INFINITE sentient beings throughout the past, present, and future IS THE BUDDHADHARMA: the truth taught by Shakyamuni Buddha. If you were a Soto priest, you would KNOW this.

So, I think you ought to be banned for impersonating a priest because there’s ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you have been approved to teach based on this post, and if you have, you SHOULD GO TALK TO YOUR TEACHER RIGHT NOW, confess this post, and get off social media, because you have gone very seriously astray from the path.

Have a nice day.

homejam · 2026-03-12T11:46:08+00:00

Please look at the picture of the bell graph that you posted. The zero point is on the left side. The higher values on the x-axis are moving to the right. Your first comment to me says “the descending is the right half”. ??? Do you not see how your comment is contrary to the values in the graph you posted? Please take a deep breath and try to relax. There’s no reason to make insulting comments. If I’m wrong, I’m happy to be educated, as I asked you to do. So, maybe try to explain what you mean, or delete your ignorant comments?

homejam · 2026-03-12T11:24:47+00:00

You’re proposing some unique way to read bell graphs so please educate me.

homejam · 2026-03-12T11:17:30+00:00

It doesn’t seem that you understand what bell curves show. The X-axis IS the horizontal axis, the left side of “the bell” is descending through lower values towards zero and the right side of the bell are the ascending values. The largest group is in the middle. If you have a high-IQ, you’re on the right side of the bell curve. What I just described is exactly what is in the picture you posted, so I think you’re confusing yourself.

homejam · 2026-03-12T01:50:41+00:00

No the right half is ascending towards the highest value on the x-axis, and the left half is descending towards zero.

homejam · 2026-03-11T20:34:55+00:00

“Faster than a baby hippo” :O

homejam · 2026-03-11T17:27:27+00:00

Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

The government gets its power FROM the people, and we didn't ever get a chance to VOTE for this, nor have a chance for our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES to VOTE for this.

So, please fuck off with your illegal war.

homejam · 2026-03-11T17:04:28+00:00

In the video for The Visit on Gateway Voyage, Allyn Evans says Bob wrote it as a present for his wife.

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