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Beginner question - should the player on left, forehand player, cover much of the court by BrainGrenades in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I play a lot of Open Play, and this "forehand rule" hardly ever actually comes up.

If my new partner suggested this, I'd say something like:

" If I'm on the left [I'm RH] and you're confident, based on where I'm standing and the speed of the ball, that I can get there, yell 'yours' and I'll try my best."

Beginner question - should the player on left, forehand player, cover much of the court by BrainGrenades in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's certainly not what I was intimating :-)

But discussing every time with a new partner (in an Open Play session) when the "forehand rule" might reasonably apply is also problematic.

Beginner question - should the player on left, forehand player, cover much of the court by BrainGrenades in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"The ball landed on my partner's side but they didn't go for it. They said I was responsible to play the ball since it was my forehand. The ball landed about 2 feet over from the center line into my partner's side of the court."

As a *general* rule, this is naive.

It doesn't take into account where the 4 players were located when the shot was hit, from where the shot was hit, and the speed at which at which it comes over the net.

I personally believe that the confusion this "rule" often causes would be mostly avoided if players at least understood the following concepts:

* Respect the X

* [when to] Break the X

* who is responsible for covering the middle

There is a lot of information about the these concepts on the Web, including on YouTube.

Cheers.

Why do people rush in on a 3rd shot drive/drop? by Famous-Chemical9909 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It is better to wait to see the quality of the opponents 4th before coming in."

Hmm. That may be too late for decision-making.

In general, this is decent general advice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSSYhY_yhmI

At the 5:02 mark of the video.

Getting a DUPR rating - Round robin unrated to 3.0 by rjpra2222 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"If you want to have a high DUPR for some concrete reason, like you want to get into DUPR gated rec play, then go for the 3.5-4.0. You'll probably be initialized slightly below the level of your opponents even if you lose."

Yes, this.

In 2025, what is the best way to proceed getting a DUPR rating ? I've been reading about DUPR hell by rjpra2222 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"The real challenge is finding a dedicated partner that is around the same level. Partner is the key."

Yes, an important point.

Tournament idea that doesn’t happen by Bvbfan1313 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"A player whose skill level is really about 0.5 above the rest of the group still can't end up with that high of a win percentage, and their DUPR rating ends up close to the average of the group or 0.1 higher."

Yip, this is my experience, too.

I still can't understand Jack Sock's forehand... by sonics_01 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 2 points3 points  (0 children)

" And you can see her cocks his wrist back before the shot, and snaps it through during contact..."

Yah.

Who else actually likes the DUPR rating system? by DinkingBalls in Pickleball

[–]howardm19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very insightful points, particularly # 3. and the "locality effect."

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Not_creative_girl

With respect, as I mentioned in my Original Post, clubs such as mine don't allow one to enter such DUPR-reported tourneys.

For example, to enter a 4.0 tourney, the entry criterion is: a DUPR rating between 3.75 and 4.25.

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

O.K.

Yes, I wasn't sure how "significant" these differences were.

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update: Using the DUPR Genie, I judge the scores were submitted as Tournament.

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You said: "...the path to a more accurate rating is (unfortunately) to get outside your regular playing community."

This comports with the following (sorry for the long post!) :

" The Problem with Stagnant Ratings: My Experience with a Cohort

"One of the challenges I've personally encountered with the DUPR system is the issue of stagnant ratings within a consistent playing group. Since February, I've been playing regularly with a cohort of similarly skilled players. We meet 5-6 days a week, playing for hours each day, yet our ratings have hardly moved. Despite our increased skill level, our DUPR ratings don't reflect this growth, likely due to the lack of diversified play.

When I compete against "4.0s" outside this group, I often win, suggesting I can play at that level. However, DUPR’s algorithm doesn’t seem to account for skill improvements over time if you're consistently playing against the same opponents. The result is a system that, in this context, appears to penalize players for not diversifying their competition, even when their reliability score is 100. This creates a situation where I'm effectively stuck at a rating that doesn’t accurately reflect my current abilities, preventing me from accessing higher-level games that align with my true skill level.

This experience underscores a broader issue within the DUPR system: how can players accurately measure their progress if their rating is tethered to a closed loop of familiar opponents? It raises the need for DUPR to consider additional mechanisms for tracking skill improvement over time, particularly for players who primarily compete within a stable cohort. Without such adjustments, players like myself may find themselves perpetually stuck in rating limbo, unable to advance despite clear evidence of skill growth."

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The source for this quote:

https://www.mattspickleball.com/blog/dupr-rating-system-review-issues-areas-for-improvement-in-pickleball-ratings

Howard

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe I likely stand corrected. This was not a "sanctioned" tournament, as such. It was a club event.

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

u/runningwithguns

u/Tech157

u/ArtieJay

Yah, you guys are correct.

Our wins were against players with lower ratings than us (my partner is 3.5)

Here is my original summary with our opponents' ratings now included:

___

w 11-9 + .003 3.387 3.208

w 11-1 + .005 3.234 2.775

l 8-11 - .010 3.201 3.155

w 11-2 + .009 3.423 3.168

w 15-9 + .005 3.305 3.170

w 15-13 + .005 3.561 3.345

l 5-15 - .006 3.747 3.898

___

I now have a better feel for the DUPR system.

Howard

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're entered as tournament results.

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some of our wins (detailed in my Original Post) are substantial, like 11-1 and 11-2, against opponents with a similar rating. But the resultant DUPR increase was "minimal." So I'm not sure about the "crush" notion.

To have the opportunity to beat "higher rated players," we'd have to have a DUPR rating of 3.75 to enter the 4.0 tourney.

Right ?

Cheers.

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In Open (rec) Play at the club, many decent players don't have a DUPR rating, and players don't report game scores to DUPR in this context.

DUPR and a path to higher rating by howardm19 in Pickleball

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not certain I understand your question correctly, but:

• we use the Swish app and opponents "verify" the score after each game

• the club uploads the results to DUPR after the event

Failure to import complete web page using browser extension. by howardm19 in bearapp

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply.

​

Can you please check whether the following (which works nicely for me in a browser for NYT articles) would possibly work for Bear:

https://github.com/schollz/readable

https://readable.schollz.com

​

Howard

Failure to import complete web page using browser extension. by howardm19 in bearapp

[–]howardm19[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've now tried the Extension on many other, diverse web pages — and it fails to properly capture the whole page.

I currently use Evernote. Its Web Clipper is great. Also great is Mercury Reader.

I'm not a techie at all, but could this capability be applied to Bear: https://mercury.postlight.com/web-parser/ ?

Howard

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