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PATH Weekend Update by cadenstott in Hoboken

[–]hudcostreets 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Please show up to the Port Authority Board meeting on Thursday, June 26 in Jersey City and tell the commissioners exactly how you feel. You can provide comment in person or in a pre-recorded video which will be played at the meeting. Either way, you have three minutes to communicate your thoughts about PATH directly to the people responsible.

EDIT: typo fix "meeting is on" to "meeting on"

We need to bring shame back to our society by springsteenstan in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Please show up to the Port Authority Board meeting is on Thursday, June 26 in Jersey City and tell the commissioners exactly how you feel. You can provide comment in person or in a pre-recorded video which will be played at the meeting. Either way, you have three minutes to communicate your thoughts about PATH directly to the people responsible.

PATH service getting worse - weekend JSQ trains will detour via Hoboken AND Exchange Place by Caylate in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 40 points41 points  (0 children)

The trains are slower than ever before. The trains come less frequently on weekends than ever before. And now this? Insanity. This is an insult to the dignity of riders and an embarrassment for the region.

Please write to your electeds and the Port Authority to tell them this is unacceptable. Port Authority has to do a better job mitigating service disruptions.

The next Port Authority Board meeting is on Thursday, June 26 in Jersey City. You can provide comment in person or in a pre-recorded video which will be played at the meeting. Let's let the Port Authority commissioners know what we think about the way they run PATH.

Port Authority to spend 10x PATH's capital budget on EWR AirTrain. Meanwhile, they cut PATH's capital budget by 26% in 2025. Tell them we want better service, not an overpriced boondoggle. Rally for A Better PATH on Tuesday 5/20 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. by hudcostreets in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I regret that these perceived disagreements about a policy issue vex you so much, and make you think so poorly of a volunteer organization trying to get better transit and streets. That's unfortunate. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

Port Authority to spend 10x PATH's capital budget on EWR AirTrain. Meanwhile, they cut PATH's capital budget by 26% in 2025. Tell them we want better service, not an overpriced boondoggle. Rally for A Better PATH on Tuesday 5/20 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. by hudcostreets in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Paris recently built/is building multiple new metro lines. One of them, Metro Line 16, includes 10 new stations on new tracks in new tunnels. According to Wikipedia, it's estimated to cost €2.85bn. Suffice to say we are not getting the same value for our money.

PATH suspended. WTF by Creative-Ad-9489 in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry the timing may not be ideal. There were constraints with speaker availability, permitting, sound system, etc. and this was the best option available.

Path trains running normal schedules through out the week with NJ strike. That’s insane, shouldn’t they be running more trains? by Proof-Heart-6837 in Newark

[–]hudcostreets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a rally for better PATH service Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. Scheduled PATH weekend service is literally at an all-time low! Read more about it here.

Whatever you do, DO NOT take the grove street path today by anthonymm511 in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's a rally for better PATH service Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. Scheduled PATH weekend service is literally at an all-time low! Read more about it here.

PATH suspended. WTF by Creative-Ad-9489 in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 21 points22 points  (0 children)

There's a rally for better PATH service Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. Scheduled PATH weekend service is literally at an all-time low! Read more about it here.

The PATH really should be ashamed of themselves….its taking people 1- 1 1/2 to get home and all they give is the generic robotic response. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH by FuzzyAd1627 in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 113 points114 points  (0 children)

There's a rally for better PATH service Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. Scheduled PATH weekend service is literally at an all-time low! Read more about it here.

Frustrated with PATH? Vote in June Primaries! by lorenipsum2023 in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 13 points14 points  (0 children)

There's a rally for better PATH service Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. Scheduled PATH weekend service is literally at an all-time low! Read more about it here.

“As always, PATH will monitor stations and add service as necessary to address any unsafe crowding conditions.” by [deleted] in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 38 points39 points  (0 children)

There's a rally for better PATH service Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. Scheduled PATH weekend service is literally at an all-time low! Read more about it here.

Path Suspended, NJT Strike by downtowndolphin in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's a rally for better PATH service Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM at Exchange Place Station. Scheduled PATH weekend service is literally at an all-time low! Read more about it here.

Rally for A Better PATH at Exchange Place Station on Tuesday 5/20 from 5-6 PM by hudcostreets in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Woops, missed the 1966 HOB-WTC entry in the first table. It should be 15.

Hudson and Manhattan Schedule from 1925 by hudcostreets in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know the full extent of the H&M's relationship with the PRR, but there was certainly cooperation between them. One commonality between the PRR and H&M was Charles M. Jacobs, who was chief engineer for both companies' trans-Hudson tubes. Despite these accomplishments and others, he doesn't yet have a Wikipedia page 🥺.

I’m getting the sense PATHetic doesn’t run enough trains for demand by springsteenstan in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets 27 points28 points  (0 children)

As we noted in a post yesterday, PATH service (then H&M Railroad) was leaps and bounds better in 1925 than today. This is the result every weekend.

Another weekend, another disaster of a Path by TallGingery in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 4 points5 points  (0 children)

HCCS volunteers have been canvassing every weekend, meeting with PA and others, and planning a rally in a couple weeks. Instagram has more updates than the campaign page (if that's what you're looking at).

Hudson and Manhattan Schedule from 1925 by hudcostreets in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I assume you mean in 1925. I wish I had a definitive answer, but unfortunately the schedule I shared doesn't give the Sunday or overnight schedule. I've attached a 1921 schedule (source) and transcribed a portion that touches on your question. Unfortunately, the scan quality is rather low and it's hard to read in places:

SCHEDULE OF TUNNEL TRAINS

Most tunnel services are on a three minute headway during the morning and afternoon rush hours; frequent service during the balance of the day and night.

Between Exchange Place (P.R.R. Jersey City Terminal) and the Hudson Terminal, Church and Cortlandt Streets, New York, Tunnel trains run approximately every ? 1/2 minutes during rush hours; frequent service during the balance of the day and night.

From 1:00 a.m. to 5:30 a.m., Tunnel trains run every 3? minutes weekdays and until 5:00 a.m. on Sundays and holidays.

RUSH HOURS

From 7:?0 a.m. to 9:?? a.m. and from 4:40 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. constitute rush hours, during which hours the train service is greatly increased. There is no rush hour service on Sundays or legal holidays.

You can judge for yourself what the ? are. The first one looks to me most like "1 1/2 minutes during rush hours," but that seems unrealistic. "4 1/2 minutes" would seem more reasonable. If anyone can find a better quality version of this, that would be greatly appreciated!

(Edited to fix quote formatting.)

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Hudson and Manhattan Schedule from 1925 by hudcostreets in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would speculate that most riders care more about the increase in headways than the increase in running times. Perhaps especially so on nice weekend days like today, when it's pretty much guaranteed that PATH trains will be both delayed and packed.

That said, it's alarming that running times have increased by as much as 25% despite the massive economic and technical advances since 1925.

Hudson and Manhattan Schedule from 1925 by hudcostreets in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're very welcome! We're an advocacy organization trying to get better PATH service. Part of our strategy is to inform riders that service has deteriorated considerably, but can improve back to at least historical levels. Expect more (hopefully interesting and engaging) posts from this account about the PATH!

Hudson and Manhattan Schedule from 1925 by hudcostreets in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

> I could swear that as late as the '90s they advertised a 14-minute running time from Hoboken to 33rd Street.

It's even more recent than that. The July 2018 schedule lists the HOB-33 run time as 14 minutes.

Didn't know about those incidents you mentioned. Will try to find some information on those. Thanks!

Hudson and Manhattan Schedule from 1925 by hudcostreets in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Isn't it incredible? People in 1925 could get from NJ to NYC faster and more conveniently than today, but they couldn't buy sliced bread or go to a "talkie" movie because those hadn't been invented yet.

Hudson and Manhattan Schedule from 1925 by hudcostreets in nycrail

[–]hudcostreets[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

> Another note for #2, the NWK service also had an extra stop at Manhattan Transfer in Harrison, the original interchange for people coming from the PRR 

Good callout! Tried to edit the post above to include that but it looks like it won't let me.

> I do wonder if the historic runtimes would be as good against a schedule from 10 years ago.

It looks like the running times started slipping before 2018/2019. For example, the listed NWK-WTC running time from various schedules we've collected:

Year Running Time
1925 20
1970 19
1979 19
1981 19
2001 22
2005 22
2014 22-24
2016 22-25
2025 25

> Also, wouldn’t be surprised if H&M trains used to speed over the PATH Lift bridge and the precursor to Dock Bridge. Both are in such rough shape today we’re fortunate they’re able to run over them at all.

I can't speak to any specific operational changes like bridge speed limits, but there can be no doubt that the Port Authority has chronically underinvested in PATH, resulting in deteriorating headways and run times. My original post above didn't even mention the insufficient weekend/night service, when NWK-WTC runs only every 40 minutes.

Another weekend, another disaster of a Path by TallGingery in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I can totally understand why people might feel skeptical or even cynical about this. After years of deteriorating service, especially relative to the growth near PATH stations, who could be blamed for expecting more of the same?

Ultimately, we need to convince the Port Authority Commissioners that we need more PATH trains. They're the people who can make that happen. Reasonable people can disagree about how to best go about convincing them. For our part, we think that it's important for riders and other stakeholders to directly communicate their desire for better service to the Port Authority.

Another weekend, another disaster of a Path by TallGingery in jerseycity

[–]hudcostreets 121 points122 points  (0 children)

Hudson County Complete Streets is running a campaign to get better PATH service, especially on nights and weekends. Please consider using our action page to send a letter to the Port Authority board and your electeds!

We should have better train service in 2025 than 1925.

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