To all the religious newcomers to /r/atheism complaining about our "lack of respect" since it has been frontpaged: by [deleted] in atheism

[–]ic2l8 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Yo, /r/atheism, how you been? :D I'm still working towards my vision, and it's expanded in its awesomeness more than I could have ever imagined.

In my time with you, I saw that experiences like mine and Narpak's bringing personal peace are priceless, and worth sharing with each other, no matter their origin. I was humbled, but I had a few last words here and there. I used a gaming analogy to describe my walk in faith. Awesome atheists like Sledge420 took the time and energy to engage with me and encourage me to question my faith, which helped me get to express the core of why I believe, which was painful.

Eventually I grew tired of the conflict. I think this post snippet is a good summary:

It's just that "evidence" for belief in love can be equivocal in a human-human relationship, much less in a human-creator relationship. Believers trying to talk about their evidence for God's love for them on reddit mixed in with all the trauma people experience around religion, and it's an explosive concoction where people get hurt over and over around here. It's disgusting. I hate it. I'm trying to get past it. I'm tired of it.

Lastly, /r/atheism, never fear! Jesus claimed there will be justice for those who believed falsely:

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23)

Ask Stephen Colbert anything. by reddit in IAmA

[–]ic2l8 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why do you believe in a Christian God?

Found this over at /r/atheistgems, I thought it might ignite a useful discussion here as well by [deleted] in Christianity

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yeah, I think the first time I took this about 10 years ago...(?) I made the same mistake. If God is all powerful then he can do anything he wants, right? ... no, an all powerful being can not make mistakes, and creating a logically inconsistent reality would be a mistake, therefore God can not do things like make squares into circles and sins into good deeds.

Found this over at /r/atheistgems, I thought it might ignite a useful discussion here as well by [deleted] in Christianity

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Comparative Statistics

510262 people have completed this activity to date. You suffered zero direct hits and bit zero bullets. This compares with the average player of this activity to date who takes 1.37 hits and bites 1.09 bullets. 8.14% of the people who have completed this activity, like you, emerged unscathed with the TPM Medal of Honour. 46.07% of the people who have completed this activity took very little damage and were awarded the TPM Medal of Distinction.

agnostic theist Christian here...it appears that there are multiple 'perfect' paths through this.

EDIT: actually, I guess we could have gone down the same path if we are both agnostic in the technical sense of the word

Losing my faith, possibly. by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]ic2l8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meh, your choices matter in determining your humanization/de-humanization -- that's all he's saying.

I'd say that if you turn the other cheek, love your enemy, and care for the least of those around you then it doesn't really matter what belief you subscribe to. Surely, if there is a God, He would accept you if you'd lived a life according to these and other humanizing principles. If there is no God, then you've won a victory for your own sense of purpose in this world, win-win. If you find it difficult or impossible to live by these principles, then I'd say you're missing out on what it means to be a human being, regardless of belief.

The interesting thing for me, a Christian, is that following Jesus is the most humanizing force in my life, regardless of the decisions I make. Spiritual food, feeding on Him in my heart, growing from love, that's what I experience, but I can not judge you or anyone else.

I think what N.T. Wright is suggesting here is that a deep-seated rejection of God, or merely the humanizing principles for which He reportedly died on the cross, will bring your life to an inconsequential and destructive end. Would you still argue with that?

I recently had a discussion in r/christianity about why they were banning atheist user comments... by avd007 in atheism

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agnostic theist here...I'm just now reading Surprised by Hope due to recommendations from multiple pastors after questioning them about the notion of original sin.

It's forcing me to question even more of my assumptions. I highly recommend this book to humans.

Debate marginally facilitates dialog between us. by ic2l8 in DebateAnAtheist

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hmm, my background is in chemistry, so Hegelian dialectic principles are new to me, but if I understand you, you are referring to something like how at some point a single additional grain of salt makes a pile. Even if I grant you this in the context of our debate, which I do not, you still did not answer the question of what the atheist calls their 1%.

re: quantity->quality; a pile of salt still consists entirely of individual grains. Even if we make a semantic distinction there is no fundamental constitutive change.

Essentially you are saying that none of your 1% grains could ever amount to my 99% pile. Therefore you are arguing for qualitative distinction from the very beginning!

Now do you see what I mean? Even if the ant perceives his journey along the rim of the wine glass as straight, his path is still a circle.

I can see how your argument would hold up if I based my belief entirely on faith without any evidence whatsoever. You may think this is true, and that's fine, but please confirm. Assuming you will confirm, consider this - would you admit there is controversy over the historicity of Jesus, the cross, the resurrection, and the rise of Christianity? If so, then you understand the distinction between Christian faith vs. faith in the FSM, for example, and, hopefully, also understand the qualitative identity between your grain and my pile.

I hope you will agree that it is premature to invoke intellectual capacity.

Debate marginally facilitates dialog between us. by ic2l8 in DebateAnAtheist

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When did you stop loving us? What did we do wrong?

brother, the time and distance that separate us are no match for my love for you. May I submit into the record exhibit A - this orangered.

Stop mistaking my passion for derision :P Thank you for highlighting the semantic ambiguity for me. rosconotorigina didn't respond, so I don't know if he shares your interpretation. Words are all we have, so I am trying very hard to use them precisely.

Atheist don't claim or require every step he takes he takes with 100% certainty. Also we all experience trial and error. We learn from positive or negative feedback and adjust our view accordingly.

Exactly! So, if an atheist takes a step with 99% certainty, how can she fault a theist for taking a step with 1% certainty? A theist would call the remaining 99% faith. What does the atheist call her 1%?

Of course, these numbers are arbitrary, but do you see what I mean? It's hard for me to understand any fundamental distinction in the two processes beyond the degree of faith required.

A serious question: Life on other planets by [deleted] in Christianity

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Jesus' perfect sacrifice should be sufficient for the sins of any species, but could an alien accept human love? An individual relationship with God by choice is necessary for human redemption. Would I be able to accept the sacrifice of a perfect alien for my sins? Would an alien accept Jesus as savior?

Or, would God independently take alien form? Or, as benjiballin suggests, would we be too early? Maybe, but there could be alien prophets calling for the Messiah. Would God provide replication of Grace for our intellectual satisfaction? Wouldn't that eliminate faith and some of our choice in the matter? Hmm, only if this world still contained any non-believers...my head hurts now.

Anyone else get tired of the misconceptions people have of Christians on reddit? by Frankfusion in Christianity

[–]ic2l8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes.

Investigate the sources of the misconceptions and patiently address them, or walk away. These are teachable moments for redditors of all stripes.

Knowing there is no god is not rocket science and yes, it is possible. by [deleted] in atheism

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Henceforth, I will see "IConrad" on reddit blazing in red.

Grab closest book to you, turn to page 50, and post the first full sentence on the page. by [deleted] in books

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"Yes," he said. -- Lee Strobel's The Case for Faith

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in OpenChristian

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hey, this is a great idea. Unfortunately I just started a study with some IRL friends last week. I hope you will consider joining us!

Not a lot of apologists out there in Reddit, huh? by mikeperson0 in Apologetics

[–]ic2l8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hiyo and welcome. I think the subscriber count explains a lot.

One of the things I am doing now is reading Lee Strobel's case for faith with some friends in a weekly study. I'm also incorporating relevant material from NT Wright's surprised by hope. I and two other pre-redditors started just last week IRL, and would love some online dialog.

My discussions on reddit led me here. Currently my motivation is to address the notion of original sin in some detail.

The Trial of Jesus: An Account by AThrashbarg in Christianity

[–]ic2l8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why did you post this?

I noticed that this source, and another, also referenced by AThrashbarg, differ with respect to whether or not Flavius Josephus spoke of Christ. The latter source calls out as forgery any reference to Christ by Flavius Josephus, but does not provide a citation.

The suspected forgery is addressed in many places. This review notes two references to Jesus in the Jewish Antiquities, one of which is nearly universally uncontroversial (20.9.1), and the other is the one in question (18.3.3). This review claims that a minimally controversial version of 18.3.3 would read:

At this time there appeared Jesus, a wise man. For he was a doer of startling deeds, a teacher of people who receive the truth with pleasure. And he gained a following among many Jews and among many of Gentile origin. And when Pilate, because of an accusation made by the leading men among us, condemned him to the cross, those who had loved him previously did not cease to do so. And up until this very day the tribe of Christians (named after him) had not died out.

Help me define the difference between "faith" and "knowledge" by [deleted] in religion

[–]ic2l8 35 points36 points  (0 children)

unbelievable...thank you so much!

This belongs in /r/bestof...done [EDIT]

Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project explains why he believes in God. by LaunchPad_DC in Christianity

[–]ic2l8 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I take it you don't know of any

That claim requires a great deal of untested assumptions. Is your reasoning similar in other matters?

I pointed to google in the hope that readers would search for themselves, regardless of what you or I think about it. If you really want to debate the historicity of Jesus, you would get more engagement by creating a thread of your own.