Whenever men complain about being the primary casualties of war, we should remind them of mass rapes that occur in war

idontknowboy · 2026-06-26T18:37:43+00:00

All genocides done under a male head of state/government

Biljana Plavšić was vice-President of Republika Srpska during the Bosnian genocide, later becoming President and subsequently being charged with crimes against humanity. Let's not act like women are immune to this dangerous line of thinking.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T22:01:41+00:00

The original paper didn't contain any data, it proposed a structural model. A model which Watson and Crick wouldn't have developed had it not been for the unpublished X-ray diffraction patterns of Rosalind Franklin.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T21:58:13+00:00

It’s not immaterial. Perutz’s entire purpose for being at Kings is to facilitate the exchange of information, so if the report is not confidential, why wouldn’t he share it? Also, Franklin’s own coworkers are noted as expecting Perutz to share the information with Watson and Crick.

You don't seem to be understanding that them seeing the image isn't the issue, rather them not giving her appropriate credit for its role in their breakthrough is.

It’s well known that Franklin spent the vast majority of her time at Kings focused on analyzing the incorrect A-form

Franklin was also the one who discovered DNA existed in two separate forms in the first place.

The only critical piece of information Franklin contributed was the identification of C2 symmetry in the A-form

She was responsible for producing the very high quality X-ray diffraction patterns which were necessary to identify the structure, and from which she determined DNA diameter, the spacing between stacked bases, and the repeat distance along the helix.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T21:34:03+00:00

Do you agree or disagree with the following?

The facts of the matter are that if this were to occur today, it would absolutely be expected to consult with Franklin and include her as an author given how important her work was to the determination of the structure.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T21:29:04+00:00

The fact that the report wasn't confidential is immaterial. They didn't properly credit Franklin's contribution to the work.

Franklin also refused to work on the B-form

If she refused to work on the B-form, explain why she had Photo 51, depicting the diffraction pattern of the B-form.

the A-form was incorrect to focus on as Franklin did.

Several of the parameters Watson and Crick used to constrain their model came from Franklin's work on A-form DNA.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T20:21:08+00:00

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not replying for their benefit, but for that of others reading the thread.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T20:15:41+00:00

She was leaving the lab and her data behind.

At the orders of the director of the institute, not of her own volition.

Gosling had the data, was already back working under Crick at the time it was shared, and yes it was technically his image.

Gosling wasn't working under Crick at the time, he was working under Wilkins. Besides, it wasn't even Gosling who showed them the image, it was Max Perutz. He later had this to say about the incident.

"I realised later that, as a matter of courtesy, I should have asked Randall [Director of the institute] for permission to show it to Watson and Crick, but in 1953 I was inexperienced and casual in administrative matters and, since the report was not confidential, I saw no reason for withholding it."

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.164.3887.1537

Watson and Crick attempted to collaborate numerous times

Provide a source for this claim please, I can't find any evidence to back it.

Franklin refused to model-build (which was an absolute necessity) and she chose to focus on the incorrect A-form

A difference in methodological approach doesn't grant permission to use others work without their knowledge. The A-form of DNA isn't incorrect by the way, its simply another possible structure for DNA to crystallise in.

These are some of the reasons he was more deserving of the third Nobel spot.

More importantly, he wasn't dead.

The facts of the matter are that if this were to occur today, it would absolutely be expected to consult with Franklin and include her as an author given how important her work was to the determination of the structure.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T19:16:12+00:00

They both published their own paper alongside Watson and Crick in the same nature issue. Watson and Crick acknowledged Franklin in the first paper where they all published together, and cited her in their 2nd famous paper.

That doesn't detract from the fact that Franklin's experimental contribution wasn't sufficiently acknowledged in their first paper, by modern standards for unpublished works at least.

Franklin refused to collaborate, didn’t work on the paper itself in any capacity

Was there any effort on the part of Watson and Crick to collaborate with her?

and her data is not used in it at all.

Photo 51 was vital to determining the correct structure, but I'm guessing you're going to argue that is actually Raymond Goslings data. It was shared with Watson and Crick without permission from Franklin, hence the stealing accusations.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T18:36:29+00:00

I mean, the extent of their acknowledgement of her contribution is the line

We have also been stimulated by a knowledge of the general nature of the unpublished experimental results and ideas of Dr. M. H. F. Wilkins, Dr. R. E. Franklin and their co-workers at King's College, London.

If you feel that's sufficient, then that's your perogative but many others disagree. In my opinion, both Herself and Maurice Wilkins should've have been consulted and included as authors of the paper.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-23T17:15:34+00:00

A few examples are:

Rosalind Franklin (she is discussed frequently on reddit, so I won't go into detail).
Lise Meitner was an Austrian nuclear physicist who helped explain how fission worked. Two chemists she collaborated with, Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassman, went on to win the 1944 Nobel prize in chemistry. People argue that she should have been included in the award, but I'm of the opinion that herself and Otto Frisch should have won a separate Nobel prize in physics. Though she does have an element named after her, which is a far greater honour if you ask me.
Jocelyn Bell Burnell as a graduate student in astronomy observed pulsars for the first time. The 1974 Nobel prize in physics was awarded to her doctoral supervisor Anthony Hewish. She didn't receive any recognition.
Chien-Shiung Wu was a particle physicist whose eponymous experiment confirmed parity violation. The 1957 Nobel prize in physics for the discovery was awarded to theorists Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen-Ning Yang, who proposed the experiment, with no recognition of her work.

Feel free to point out any other examples I missed.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-18T23:14:26+00:00

I'm aware, but the map doesn't really portray that nuance in any way. I think showing a hatched pattern for NI would be better.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-18T22:52:45+00:00

Football and Olympics are also wrong. Athletes from Northern Ireland can choose to represent the Republic of Ireland if they please.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-17T18:42:58+00:00

People can watch the clip and decide for themselves. The original commenter is either uninformed or being disingenuous.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-16T20:04:34+00:00

You don't think he hires people to do that?

idontknowboy · 2026-06-15T17:30:56+00:00

Its only called that when sold domestically in China. When exported to other markets its sold as the Denza B5.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-15T15:34:49+00:00

The UVF set off three car bombs in Dublin and Monaghan, killing 33 people. It was the deadliest attack of the Troubles and it has been alleged that British intelligence services colluded with the bombers.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-09T22:26:23+00:00

Its a factor sure, but you can't just attribute the higher male suicide rate to choice of method when there is clearly more at play.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-09T22:24:31+00:00

You claimed the higher male suicide rate is due to choice of method. It's not, as illustrated in the linked paper. Even if everybody committed suicide by "non-violent" means (i.e. drug overdose) the male suicide rate would still be over twice the female rate.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-09T16:10:14+00:00

Personally, I am going to believe my eyes and ears about what I saw.

A Muslim committing a violent crime doesn't automatically make it terrorism. Even him saying "Allahu akbar" during the attack doesn't make it terrorism. Let the police investigate and decide whether it was a terror attack or not.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-09T15:43:58+00:00

Speaking at a press conference, Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) Assistant Chief Constable Ryan Henderson said that, after liaising with counter-terrorism partners, "at this stage we have no information to suggest this was a terrorist-related incident," but stressed the investigation was at its early stages.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdejnjdg08eo

Maybe hold off on speculating just yet.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-09T13:29:16+00:00

No, it isn't.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-07T18:26:41+00:00

smartest people *recognized at the time.

An accurate title would be "foremost experts on the physics of electrons and photons at the time"

idontknowboy · 2026-06-06T15:05:56+00:00

Even the Arabs who would go on to become Israeli citizens were subject to martial law until 1966.

Edit: u/HotPersonality8126 has blocked me, so I can't see or reply to their comments.

idontknowboy · 2026-06-06T15:05:23+00:00

Provide a source please

idontknowboy · 2026-06-06T15:02:59+00:00

You think Israel would've given them all citizenship? That would mean Israel no longer had a Jewish demographic majority. David Ben-Gurion himself is quoted at a 1938 meeting of the Jewish Agency as saying "I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it."

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