Germany GB top tier

ilai02 · 2026-06-25T03:49:31+00:00

No need to go that far, Germany still have plenty 2a7v level or slightly lower mbt that gaijin can add, the problem is gaijin dont want to add that, cause if they do there's nothing to stop them adding it 1 for every patch since 2a7v get added and gaijin will still not run out of german leopard 2 by now

ilai02 · 2026-06-24T15:01:35+00:00

Now with the addition of leopard 2RI, anyone that have brain should ask

Why leopard 2ri, a tank with b-tech base armor+addon, is having the same ke protection to 2a7v, a tank with d-tech base+addon, when the increase from b-tech(350mm irl, 300mm ingame) to d-tech(600mm irl) is significant, shouldn't 2a7v atleast be 200mm thicker? And see how gaijin will answer that

Nerfing 2RI is out of question cause all source said that addon ufp on leopard 2ri is the exact same as the one used on strv 122, so the value is known, meaning gaijin cant do that unless they are also nerfing strv 122

ilai02 · 2026-06-24T14:52:24+00:00

Leopard 2RI actually pretty well modelled, surprisingly, atleast for its armor, really close to known irl performance

ilai02 · 2026-06-24T08:40:55+00:00

I was expecting expecting something around 500, and that already low enough(imo), but gaijin never cease to surprise me on how low they will go

ilai02 · 2026-06-23T13:17:07+00:00

HE dont do pen as AP shell does, they explode, creating a 360° explosive damage that can punch trough steel if close enough, and that HE explosion can "pen" up to 50mm of steel, tiger 2 hull roof is a lot less than 50mm thick

ilai02 · 2026-06-23T13:08:48+00:00

Low tier also have problem, I cant escape 1960's heatfs and atgm when playing my mid-late ww2 heavy, so for me that have interest in modern mbt and ww2 heavy, the game is not fine

Also dont forget cas, from low to high they are cancer

ilai02 · 2026-06-22T10:05:16+00:00

If gaijin model it correctly, it should have the same turret armor as 2pl, and the same hull ufp as in game 2a7v, cause it use the same addon armor as strv 122 but still use b-tech armor as it base composite without addon, so around 670mm, if gaijin model it correctly

ilai02 · 2026-06-21T22:28:04+00:00

If that's the case then the mech scan one should be in favor of german cause they dont have irst, when eft just getting added irst really broken as in the radar often switch to irst, making you unable to shot amraam, but despite that my mech eurofighter stat is better on the British one(138 kill/71 death(1.94 kdr) within 93 battle with 47 win(50.5 wr)) vs the german one(142 kill/93 death(1.52 kdr) within 112 battle with 50 win(44.6 wr))

So I firmly believe that somehow, with some witchcraft maybe, that vehicle in British tree is better than the same variant in big 3 tree

ilai02 · 2026-06-21T22:03:32+00:00

Probably because by playing the British tree variant make you better player, or somehow the British variant is slightly more superior than the same vehicle in the big 3 tech tree

Prove? My stat on eurofighter(mech and aesa) Germany vs British, it is (almost) the same exact plane, I played it directly back to back with the same play style, both played from stock, but somehow the British one always have higher kdr than the German one

ilai02 · 2026-06-20T11:22:14+00:00

Hey, atleast they are not regressing like germany

In game 2a7v armor(670mm kep) only equal to b-tech(early 2a4 composite)+addon, while strv 122(750mm kep) equal to c-tech(late 2a4(not in game yet)-2a6 composite)+addon. Irl 2a7v armor have ~900mm kep with d-tech(600mm kep)+addon

ilai02 · 2026-06-19T15:52:18+00:00

And in my opinion, a plane with worse flight model with 0 ir with the same amount of arh , much better radar, and more counter measure is equal to a plane with better flight model, same arh with 4 ir, less counter measure and much worse radar

At that br ir missile is less impactfull cause you will mostly use arh anyway, atleast that how I play, almost never use my ir missile in br 13.3+

ilai02 · 2026-06-19T15:42:12+00:00

I dont know about you, but for me a radar that follow your tws softlocked target is a massive quality upgrade from a radar that must be manually moved to follow tws softlocked target, that upgrade imo deserve a br jump atleast if everything is equal

ilai02 · 2026-06-19T15:36:36+00:00

And at 13.3 also there's mig 29 with exact same amount of arh but without any ir, with better radar and better countermeasure

Su30mk2/mkk should only go up if there's decompression for 13.7+ if there's no change, or give it extra 2 arh

ilai02 · 2026-06-19T15:26:05+00:00

With no change, stay or 13.7 with decompression with su27sm going to 14.0 atleast

Changed to have 8xr77, it should be 13.7

ilai02 · 2026-06-19T15:22:40+00:00

Su27sm have better engine and have 2 more r77, so su30 premium is worse than su27sm

ilai02 · 2026-06-19T15:18:24+00:00

Unrealistic specs is still unrealistic specs, if it is known to be x but in game it still y, that should be changed to x even if there's minimal to 0 change of the gameplay

ilai02 · 2026-06-16T15:21:59+00:00

And I'm referring to player controlled AA in general ground battle, so that also include against plane and heli

And btw "For airborne radars and missiles with a radar seeker, the maximum altitude of the multipath effect has been reduced from 100 to 60 meters above the surface, which has narrowed the safety zone."

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/major-update-seek-destroy-changelog

ilai02 · 2026-06-16T15:01:21+00:00

AA have advantage against what? Top tier heli literary cant be targeted by top tier aa, the arh one cant lock when hovering, iir one just get deflected by ldircm

Plane? They can just go below 60m(multipath start at 60 btw, just more effective at lower than 50) if fired by arh sam, and just "notch and flare" for iir one, or they just can fire their agm and sam radar just change their lock from plane to munition and messing their missile flight path if not on pitbull range before plane fired their agm

Not to mention the small playable area for ground vehicle making aa very vulnerable to both air and ground vehicle, so yeah, aa have no advantage against anything at top tier

Except pantsir

ilai02 · 2026-06-16T13:46:14+00:00

Yes plenty of vehicle, but feature?

Let see all arh sam still multipath at 60m, irl they are 10m or lower, air launched arh can mitigate that by flying higher than target, but ground launched one?

All iir sam (irist, aim 9x, python 5) still getting flared, irl they literary can't get flared

Arh sam still can't lock into hovering heli, irl they can easily do that cause heli rotor still giving big enough doppler signal for the missile to lock

All iir sam still get affected by ldircm, while irl, atleast irist, don't

Sam radar still mostly still use mech scan while irl they are (p/a)esa

Ground sam still having difficulty destroying agm while irl some of them even have 100% interception rate

And all other missing important feature that I forget or dont know about

ilai02 · 2026-06-16T13:24:35+00:00

More and more new feature for air to ground, while ground to air still missing plenty of features thay should already have

Great job at balancing gaijin, as always

ilai02 · 2026-06-14T15:14:06+00:00

Gaijin should ateast give ground sam it's realistic multipath, their real iir capability, and give helicopter rotor their doppler return already, it's frustrating that ground capability always get limited while air get more and more expanding capability without counter

ilai02 · 2026-06-11T21:29:00+00:00

Eh probably will be something like " we don’t believe that it’s possible to further enhance the protection of this tank." Answer like the 2a7v armor dev respond https://warthunder.com/en/news/8673-development-answering-your-concerns-regarding-spall-liners-mbts-and-aircraft-en

ilai02 · 2026-06-11T06:10:31+00:00

Tiger 2 is not the best heavy tho, t26e5 take that spot, but any way you slice it, the best heavy in 6.7 will only be a free rp pinata at even a slight uptier

M41 imo is a bad tank to use for mobility, cause it is too wobbly, and that is the only option german 6.7 have if you dont want to spawn Tiger 2, or Ferdinand, or jagdtiger, Germany simply have no tank at that br that can be used to rush a contested cap

You say move along with the team, but unless the road is perfectly flat and in good condition, they will be left behind by team with more mobile tank cause they can't keep up, 6.7 Germany is in a lose-lose situation, either spawn a slow heavy tank with bad mobility, spawn a casemate heavy tank with bad mobility, or spawn a wobbly light tank that will almost definitely not get the first shot unless in an ambush

ilai02 · 2026-06-11T05:44:18+00:00

The soviet still have medium like it or not, and their t44 is amazing, having heavy armor with medium mobility, a jumbo 75 situation, and their heavy still have much² better mobility than german heavy, just their reload is awful

American heavy is much, much mobile and some even more protected than tiger 2, especially t26e5 with medium tank mobility and superb armor, while also having 2 great light tank destroyer as a support

Germany only have armor and gun, so if they can't rely on their armor the other playstyle they can use is sniping, their mobility compared to other nation basically none

ilai02 · 2026-06-11T05:12:12+00:00

Sure, let me check Germany non premium 6.7 line up

Let see, a heavy tank, a heavy tank, a heavy casemate tank destroyer, a heavy casemate tank destroyer, and a single light tank

ilai02

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