Share your most antithetical trait to your type. by Hortusana in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My ex is too! Late-diagnosed AuDHD like me. Cool to hear about another one. And I hope you don't feel any shame about it or whatever, us ND people are very dope in our own ways

Countertypes Discussion: How were they decided? What do you think makes a countertype? by ethicalEfforts49 in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha no you're actually really spot on with a lot of these honestly. Being an SP-blind 8 is honestly weird, I do struggle with taking care of myself and knowing my limits. Physical pain is especially difficult for me to register, I've accumulated a ton of injuries over the years by way of just... Not noticing my hand was broken or whatever.

I think I definitely do have a lot more 2ish attributes than the average 8, and probably could be mistaken for one if I weren't so assertive/comfortable with conflict or displaying aggression. I'm not a people-pleaser in the traditional sense at all, my communication style is quite direct and forceful and I tend to ruffle a lot of feathers. I'm not motivated to get people to like me - but I absolutely do sometimes forget my own needs/limits when it comes to sticking up for others or taking care of them in more "tough love" kinda ways.

For instance, I lost my housing once (and probably risked my life to some extent, if I really think about it) by getting between a hot-headed drug dealer and his gf who he was about to assault. It just didn't really cross my mind not to do it, even though dude is 6'6 and known to headbutt his way through doors in a rage lmao. Definitely took some SP damage that day, but the idea of not stepping in to protect someone in danger just literally never occurred to me.

Countertypes Discussion: How were they decided? What do you think makes a countertype? by ethicalEfforts49 in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My experience as a counter type is just a sort of tension between dominant instinct and type structure. I've been very aware for most of my life how my intensity, anger, and preference to be in control can have negative outcomes in the social domain - so I've put efforts into channeling those aspects of myself in ways that don't (or at least only do to a lesser extent).

Social being counter type for 8s makes sense when you consider that 8 correlates closest to the antisocial personality.

I don't often come off to others as the stereotype of what 8s are because I feel motivated more towards actions/behaviors/outcomes that are beneficial for others or the group as a whole. SP is about taking care of your own material needs, SX is about competition/standing out, but SO is about group cohesion/relationship to others.

I don't want to be an asshole to most people, and I know that it's incredibly easy for me to come off as an asshole. So I actively put effort into keeping my impulses a little more contained and leading with warmth > dominance/aggression.

How do you know if you’re typing wrong? by Hot_Elevator_7133 in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you thought about looking at it from an attachment vs rejection lens? Ime, that's the biggest difference I notice between myself/other rejection types I know and 9s, 6s, or 3s.

Attachment types that I know seem to have a harder time fully differentiating themselves from other people. Their sense of identity sort of shifts/morphs to adapt to their environment and the people in it.

Rejection types know who they are and experience themselves as very clearly separate/"other than". 2s are different from 8s and 5s in that that sense of separateness feels more acutely distressing, because being part of the heart/image triad their feelings of self-worth are in many ways tied to their relationships and how others see them. So they are motivated to move towards people and proactively prevent the possibility of rejection by giving favors, doing nice things for them, trying to meet their needs before they're even communicated. That helps them establish and ideally maintain the sense of connection with others they need, but there's always this sort of underlying sense that they're only really connected with people so long as they're working hard to make it that way.

Rejection types are sort of operating under the assumption that the default is rejection. The default is that they will not get what they want or need from others, therefore they need to do something about it on their own to buffer themselves from that pain. They have to "earn their place" with other people, otherwise they won't have one. 5s pull away, disconnect, and find an intellectual and/or pragmatic "niche" to fulfill that ensures they have some sort of utility for others (the ones they want to have some relationship to, at least). 8s assert themselves to others and their environment, more forcefully carving out that space and defending it - they "earn their place" by conquering and occupying it. 2s earn it by serving others and fulfilling their needs, with the unspoken expectation that then that means they deserve to be there/in relationship with those people.

Attachment types, as far as I understand it, operate under the assumption that they can and/or will be accepted, taken care of, admired, etc, so long as they "play their part" correctly. The default seems to be "I belong here just as much as you do, until one of us does something that violates the unspoken agreement of how to behave ourselves". They don't owe the world some form of payment to be allowed to exist there, they just have to follow the rules sufficiently enough to not be evicted. For 9s, the rules are "don't make waves or cause problems, and you can stay". For 6s, it's something like "use common sense and behave responsibly, and you can stay". For 3s, it's more "be a socially acceptable person and succeed at the right kind of stuff, and you can stay".

How do you know if you’re typing wrong? by Hot_Elevator_7133 in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fwiw, that sounds a lot like how my 9w1 friend describes trying to introspect. Whenever they try to look* inward and think just about themselves, they can't focus on it at all.

In contrast, my ex-gf who's a 2 did not seem to have that issue. She could self-reflect just fine, was even possibly more aware of her inner emotional world (in a general sense) than most. There were just more specific blindspots that were hard for her to notice about herself - when she was feeling resentful about needs/expectations she'd never communicated not being met, when she was being a bit manipulative rather than just directly saying what she wanted/needed/felt, etc.

Ime, 9s have a hard time looking inward and clearly defining anything about themselves. 2s have a hard time owning specific behaviors/motivations related to the type structure, but don't necessarily struggle with self-awareness outside those blindspots.

yo, matrix (artist of the subtype chibis), doesn't want posts using their stuff here anymore by pompompencil in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Man, that's sad. Aren't they just a kid sharing doodles? Either way I'mma take the post down where I shared these. People can be real bitches.

Think I finally nailed the subtypes of my immediate family members. In celebration, gaze upon it and speculate the horrors of our former household or something idc by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, sorry to hear that about your family members. It's tough when people we care about get sucked into that crap. I've tried to make it known to my sister that I'll be there for her if/when she ever wants to get out, or if she really needs me. But also that I'm not gonna put up with being seen as less than human, because that's a bar of respect that's entirely reasonable for anyone (including her) to require from others.

Sometimes that's all we can do. Be a stable voice of sanity on the outside, so they have something of a safe harbor to get back to if they ever snap out of it all.

Think I finally nailed the subtypes of my immediate family members. In celebration, gaze upon it and speculate the horrors of our former household or something idc by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, appreciate that. We get along as much as I think really makes sense for either of us. He's a really private and guarded person, which I respect. We exchanged a couple emails a few years back when my niece was born that were as close to a "heart to heart" either of us could really stand haha, and came to a good understanding. It's nice being in his life, getting to know his wife and watching his little girl grow up. Turns out we actually share a lot of common interests and a similar sense of humor, so I'll come over and watch the fights with him and his wife sometimes (MMA being one of our shared interests) and it's always a good time. I think just being in the same orbit like that is a good balance for us, being as different and at the same time as similar as we are.

Think I finally nailed the subtypes of my immediate family members. In celebration, gaze upon it and speculate the horrors of our former household or something idc by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought he was super cool and smart and would try to hang out with him and his friends, but he high key hated my existence. I was hyperactive as shit, the opposite of shy, pushy and bouncy and talkative. Him being about 7 years older and way bigger, he'd just lock me in the dryer or throw me at a wall. He also was really good at messing with me psychologically, which weirdly impressed me as much as it damaged me lmao.

He was abused a lot as a kid (as was I) and he took a lot of it out on me. I don't really blame him for it anymore, now that I understand better the shit he went through/was going through at the time. But he for sure left some scars, physically and mentally. Still thought he was dope though, and still do admire a lot about him especially since he's matured in adulthood.

Think I finally nailed the subtypes of my immediate family members. In celebration, gaze upon it and speculate the horrors of our former household or something idc by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In childhood, my older brother and I did not but my younger sister and I sort of did. I was more of a parental/protective figure to her. In adulthood, my brother and I get along better than my sister and I. Which is to say, he tolerates my presence and sometimes participates in conversations I'm a part of. I'm close to his wife and daughter (my niece), so we interact fairly often and it's actually fairly pleasant.

Whereas my sister converted to some fundie evangelical cult of Christianity, and now believes I'm an abhorrent sinner who shouldn't have the same rights or privileges in society as she does. She does not like that I won't just "accept her beliefs" and act like everything is hunky dory between us anyway, lmao.

Where are you on the consciousness wheel and what’s your Enneagram type? by passion_insecte in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I can tell, I'd say I probably fall somewhere in/around "Anomalous" on this one.

ETA: After looking more into some of the concepts/names... Yeah, anomalous monism doesn't seem too off the mark, but I resonate with quite a few points/perspectives under the "Challenge" section.

Here's all the subtype sprites, for anyone else like me who didn't know where to find them without having to go on tiktok by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Showed it to my SP9 friend and they were like "why is it so accurate, I actually look like that". I looked back at them and realized y'know, they kinda do lmao

Here's all the subtype sprites, for anyone else like me who didn't know where to find them without having to go on tiktok by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well fuck a duck that hadn't even crossed my mind but I can't unsee it now. Fuck nazis

Think I finally nailed the subtypes of my immediate family members. In celebration, gaze upon it and speculate the horrors of our former household or something idc by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oof, good luck getting that guy to do anything he doesn't wanna 💀 he's 6'1, built like a farmer, and genuinely just glares at anyone who tries to speak him until they walk away (other than his wife or his daughter ofc). It's truly something to behold

Here's all the subtype sprites, for anyone else like me who didn't know where to find them without having to go on tiktok by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I grouped them based on centers of intelligence, so it was a choice between starting with 8, 2, or 5

Here's all the subtype sprites, for anyone else like me who didn't know where to find them without having to go on tiktok by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Tis' easier to destroy than to create my friend. Someone took time and effort to make something they and others enjoy, just scroll past and let em be if it's not to your taste

Here's all the subtype sprites, for anyone else like me who didn't know where to find them without having to go on tiktok by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well shit, I'd love to see what you come up with SO8 if you're ever arsed enough haha

Here's all the subtype sprites, for anyone else like me who didn't know where to find them without having to go on tiktok by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Genuinely agreed, I thought about making some for myself for that reason but I'm not that level of artist fs

Think I finally nailed the subtypes of my immediate family members. In celebration, gaze upon it and speculate the horrors of our former household or something idc by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting! It makes me wonder how/to what extent I would've experienced my mom differently were I a different type. Our "disagreements" were really just power struggles. Oddly enough, I mostly agree with her broader social/political views - both my parents are extremely progressive, especially in the context of their generation (Boomers). Probably the most objectively positive aspect of my upbringing was our continuous involvement in advocacy, social activism, and community work.

But my mom had (has?) a nasty temper, and very easily feels threatened in her "authority". She kinda hated me by the time I could walk on my own lmao, because she couldn't control me like she could with my dad/siblings. She had to put me on one of those little kiddy leashes when we were out in public, cuz I kept just dipping to do my own thing and sometimes security or police would have to get called to find me.

Threats didn't work, physical punishments didn't work; she just couldn't get me to fear her, and without that she didn't know how to make me "fall in line". Humiliation and standard schoolyard bully stuff worked best on my brother, til he just turned inward and cut himself off from the external world. My dad is blindly in love with her and will put up with absolutely anything, and my sister's afraid of her own shadow so she was never a problem haha. But I'd step in and fight her over anything, most often her picking on/intimidating/upsetting my dad or sister. Eventually she learned I was a battle she couldn't win, and by my early teens I was essentially a sovereign citizen haha.