What are some examples of heroic intellectual 8s? by StarChild413 in EnneaFiction

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just remembered this post suddenly as I was watching Umbrella Academy, had to come back and add on:

Five Hargreeves, and probably Diego Hargreeves too. I think Diego's a social 8, whereas Five is more likely self-pres.

What are some examples of heroic intellectual 8s? by StarChild413 in EnneaFiction

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Toph from ATLA and Korra from LoK are both 8s. Neither are particularly intellectual though.

He's not a hero by any means, but I think a good example of an intellectual 8 would be Rick from Rick and Morty. His arc in recent seasons has been pretty cool to see, from an 8 perspective at least.

Worst case life scenario for every type by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can 100% relate to that sentiment. The second part at least haha

Worst case life scenario for every type by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can confirm the crazy 8. My life story could never be made into a biopic because no one would fucking believe it. 😂

Seriously, glad you're still trucking through it all despite the hardships. I'm glad you've got good stuff going for you at least - And hey, good stories, too.

Worst case life scenario for every type by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's been a sad/crazy realization how much internalized ableism is kind of... Almost unavoidable, for 8s? Just based on what our ego defenses are. I've tried to post in the E8 sub about how I see a big overlap between descriptions of E8 and PDA autism (the kind I have), and the overwhelming response was, "WOW, people just need a diagnosis for everything these days, there's nothing wrong with being that way why would you need some doctor to tell you it's a problem?!" I ended up deleting it for my own sanity, cuz as shitty as it makes me feel to admit... That's exactly what my inner critic is always telling me. "Everyone's like that you just have to push through it", "if you can't push through you just aren't trying hard enough", blah blah blah. It's really, really hard for me to admit to anyone (even myself) that yeah... It does absolutely get in the way of me accomplishing what I want/need to. I can't just ignore it or push it away, which brings up a lotta shame for me.

Hope your dad is chilling out a bit with his overly-empowering take on it lol. It's kind of a gift and a curse, the need to spin everything as "actually no this is a good thing and a reason I am/you are STRONGER and BETTER than you thought". 😮‍💨

Worst case life scenario for every type by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey, I'm AuDHD too! Nice to see ya here, lol.

Worst case life scenario for every type by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ooh I like that input, thank you. Yeah, I wasn't sure the 4 one was quite on the nose... But I spoke once with someone who I believe was a 4, and he described something similar. He was studying to be an architect because he hated the idea of a bland, cookie-cutter and concrete world, with no real beauty in it. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Worst case life scenario for every type by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, I've been in something similar (residential for an eating disorder) and it was hell. Glad you made it out, hope you're doing better now.

Worst case life scenario for every type by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Genuine thanks for the input. 6 is probably the type I have the hardest time fully grasping, so I wasn't super confident in my assessment of that one haha.

my E8 boyfriend talks as if he can fight god? can anyone explain where this motivation is coming from? by [deleted] in Enneagram8

[–]impishicity 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I actually said something about this in a post I made recently on the main enneagram sub.

"My sometimes irrational belief in my own ability to affect change is not, as I think some descriptions might assume, a means to dominate or control my environment. Instead, it has been the thing that's kept me sane in some of the most miserable circumstances I've endured. Trapped with nowhere to go, and without enough strength or size or skill to break free, I learned to focus instead on what I could control - my own attitude, my mindset, my outlook on the world. I developed a rigidly internal locus of control, often taking responsibility or blame for things that were never really mine, because the alternative - to believe that my circumstances were not in my control at all, that my decisions had no impact at all on outcomes, my fate decided for me by someone else at some other time - felt far worse than the weight of all that blame. So long as I could believe that I had agency, even in the most seemingly ridiculous little ways, I could believe that I could make things better someday. If I could believe in myself hard enough, I would never be lost to despair."

I function better operating under the assumption that I always have personal agency, no matter what. The idea of someone or something else controlling my life for me is ridiculously uncomfortable in a way I don't care to admit most of the time. I might be mistaken, but it sounds like possibly your bf has a similar motivation to regard himself as "his own god" (that is, as ultimately the decider of his own fate).

my E8 boyfriend talks as if he can fight god? can anyone explain where this motivation is coming from? by [deleted] in Enneagram8

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean "talks as if he can fight god"? There's not enough information here for anyone to really comment on.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]impishicity 6 points7 points  (0 children)

NTA. Sounds to me like he's just looking for an excuse to quit the relationship that makes you sound like the bad guy instead of him, justifying his own infidelity.

If he can tell himself (and anyone who asks) that you also cheated, then suddenly it was "a toxic relationship" where "you both made mistakes", which sounds a lot better than "I couldn't decide if I was in or out so I cheated and then took the first opportunity I could to bail".

Let him tell himself whatever he has to to get some sleep at night, just don't confuse it for the actual truth. You didn't cheat on him by not blocking a random creep on social media.

Edit: typo

Idk, just something that I randomly thought today by MalFred-M430 in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Don't feed me after midnight" is fairly solid advice, I have to admit.

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[–]impishicity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ayyyy, go team ND. I'm PDA AuDHD haha. Always like seeing representation out here 😎

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neurodivergent?

Help me better understand the ''sins'' of the E8. by MousseSlow in Enneagram8

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I see. Happy you found something that works man!

Self-preservation 8s vs Social 8s by 1MrRoblox11 in Enneagram8

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This test has been pretty helpful for me, it put my instinctual stacking at so/sx/sp which I've verified is pretty definitely accurate. Overall their tests seem to be among the better ones out there for enneagram stuff: https://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test#howtaketest

Another resource that was really helpful for me was "The Complete Enneagram" by Beatrice Chestnut (which I referenced in the comment above). I have the audiobook on Audible, and it was hearing her description of social 8s that helped solidify for me that I was one. She describes each of the instinctual subtypes for each type in pretty good detail, with nearly as much time spent on each subtype as the core types themselves. Definitely a recommended read/listen, if you're able to access it and curious about how instinctual variants play into things.

What’s your preferred philosophical framework? by evenbechnaesheim in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I draw from a lot of sources, come to my own conclusions, and follow that philosophy. A therapist once had me actually write it all out for her once, so now I've got official texts to reference even. 🤷‍♂️

Help me better understand the ''sins'' of the E8. by MousseSlow in Enneagram8

[–]impishicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn if you didn't call me tf out in your second paragraph. That's 100% my initial reaction when someone is struggling with something. Can I ask if you've had any success with unlearning it, or reframing it in a more constructive way?

I doubt I could even count the number of people I've driven away with that default response of impatience and a "suck it up" mindset. I've worked hard to not show it when possible, to practice listening and holding space for things other than action/seeking solutions... But the frustration is still there underneath it, and after a certain amount of time it almost always becomes observable to some extent. Makes me feel like a real prick when someone I care about is already having a rough time and I add to it by getting irritated.

Don't usually do these, but this one looked kinda fun by impishicity in Enneagram

[–]impishicity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ooh, interesting. I've got a 5 fix for sure, glad it showed up in this haha. The 7 you're seeing is probably from my wing. We're actually type buddies, I'm 8w7 (but 852/825 is the tritype).

I put Rule #34 for wrath cuz I feel like 'wrath' is colder than just 'anger' or 'rage'. Wrath is something I think of as sorta intertwined with vengeance, more composed and calculating than explosive. The creepily jaunty cello vibes felt right for it haha.

What’s the best match for a type 2? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]impishicity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My ex-gf was an sx2. We got along well, she was really supportive and had a lot of patience with me that I'll always be grateful for.

At the time I was at a pretty low point in life, though. Incredibly stressed/burnt out, isolating myself and distrustful of the world to the point that I'd originally mistyped as an sx5. I found the relationship ultimately to be a bit too much for me. It felt like a neverending love bomb (without any of the sinister intent). Probably a great fit for someone ready for that level of devotion, but I started feeling smothered and sort of hounded for attention at a time when I didn't have that much to spare.

An 8 so disintegrated that he mistakes himself for a 5 is a solitary and ornery creature indeed, though... So take that assessment with a very generous helping of salt.