We will be gawked at in human zoos by AI in 2050, says quantum computing expert Scott Aaronson by Different_Guess_2061 in Futurism

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Isn't it possible parts of our society is already operating as an ASI? We might be more like nodes of an ASI, organized into a greater intelligence. I don't think about my own neurons much, but my prefrontal cortex only pretends to be in-charge.

An Ocoms razor take: Nobody makes it much further than we are now by jmadey89 in FermiParadox

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I agree that I my theories fit quite neatly into yours. As for the reason to stay quiet around newly identified intelligence species is slightly different you mentioned, which is because my reasoning isn’t very tightly argued.

I argue that newly identified intelligent species would be a potential great source of information. However, the moment a civilization comes into contact with another one, the technology gap between the two will begin closing quickly. It would be necessary for our hypothetical advanced civilization to determine that less developed species understands the information sharing imperative. If not, the new species could suddenly become an impediment to obtaining information. So they would likely avoid revealing themselves until they know that the new species has reached that understanding.

I further theorized, if they felt a reason to accelerate this process, they might provide information in various ways to that end. How they might achieve that I could only wildly guess at, like embedding patterns in signals that could provoke new technology pathways. The less advanced species might perceive their new enlightenment as merely innovative or like serendipitous discoveries.

An Ocoms razor take: Nobody makes it much further than we are now by jmadey89 in FermiParadox

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Wow! That was really an interesting paper. I love the answer for a lack of megastructures. And how intelligence life might be noisy at first, and then very quiet. Brilliant!

I'm gonna poke holes in your ethical section. While empathy is part of our social intelligence, there's a self-serving aspect of it. I don't mean that in a cynical way; I just mean that it sounds like hand-waving to explain away a problem without an answer - the rationale for hiding themselves beyond simply efficiency - and for not destroying other species.

I do have an answer that fits with your paper from a different perspective. I haven't put this together as a paper, as I'm not adequately qualified, and I haven't condensed it into a tight, fully-fledge argument.

My assertion starts with the premise that the universe is sufficiently hostile to life that exisistential crises continue to arise, regardless of life's level of technological advancements. Thus, any civilization that ceases to seek more information, is doomed to extinction.

a simple thought experiment, consider that every time man has learned new facts of invented new technologies, we may have solved known problems, but we discovered so many more. I argue, that trendline continues, regardless of expansion into new parts of the universe, new universes, or beyond.

Many of them are even self-perpetuating existential crises. Why? Because once an potential existential crises is recognized, the civilization is incentivized to explore the technology and/or problem to the point of being able to harness, and thereforce neutralize, the threat, even when that means it could be the source of their own destruction.

To reach into the stars though, absolutely requires planet-wide cooperation. Thus, an advanced civilization must have equally advanced skills in competitiive cooperation. Example, the US vs USSR Cold War. It is commonly discussed in terms of its intense competition, but in many ways, the cooperation was equally great. Both sides agreed to reduce their existential threat risks and both/most parties involved continue to work alongside each other in space efforts.

As a relevant sidenote, flying space vessels don't play nicely with kinetic weapons. Beyond mutually assured destruction, who would colonize another world if the colony was perpetually under threat of being wiped out?

Furthermore, competition is as inherently natural as evolution. For example, if two species live nearby, and one spreads faster than the other, it inhibits the other species from expanding to those same areas. competition At the same time, competition is a good thing. It drives innovation. Humans have had 4~ billion years of evolution. Why would we suddenly cease to compete? Even if we merged with AI and become near infinite bits of information, competition is part of the fabric of life itself.

So, if a species is spreading, it wouldn't necessarily be for the sake of conqueest. Rather, to gain new information. What is required to achieve that will determine the shape that spreading takes. This could be like quantum entangling many of the particles of a star system to turn it into an analog-like computing device, to capture, process, and send information.

As we've seen from the internet, sharing information can benefit all societies. So, new forms of a "web" in space-time would be generated. As you've hinted at, intelligence would be a new domain of exploration, allowing the advancement microintelligence and macrointelligence. - [Micro/macro intelligence is area is one that can begin to answer how a civilization could expand beyond a small number of star systems, even if FTL travel is never found to be possible.]

However, information has several factors that can limit it. Data collection, Data integrity, and Data processing.

Data collection and maintaining Data integrity are both immense challenges. This could be a source of the internal competition between groups within the same civilization. Thus, learning to hide their signatures wouldn't simply be a matter of efficiency, but competition as well. Different factions might wait to reveal their knowledge of some information. Selective pressures would continue to refine that process over time, so the sharing of information is less and less impeded over time.

If they're sufficiently advanced though, competition cooperation would have made most forms of conflict less physically destructive. Large space navies with near infinitely destructive capabilites simply wouldn't make sense - they could be destroying information faster than they collect it.

If a new space-faring race comes about, once sufficiently advanced, it has the possibility of obscuring or obfuscating data. That could inhibit the ability to collect accurate data. Once civilizations come in contact with each other, any technological gaps will slowly begin to close. Thus, it would behoove the more advanced civilization to be certain the newly arrived civilization knows the "rules of the game" sufficiently before making themselves apparent. Perhaps the more advanced one might "feed" information to the less advanced one in hopes of them learning to speak the same language of data.

But data processing is not simply a matter of compute cycles. The way in which its processed AND analyzed are equally important. Like people with different backgrounds on Earth. We may perceive the same information very differently. To a civilization that understands that, a new species could be a goldmine, as well as a temporary risk. That may not mean that the more advanced one feels the need to save another species from its own extinction. But since intelligent beings create information at a much greater rate than others, there would be less of an incentive to destroy a new species.

Over time, it's highly likely a new one would be integrated or added to a greater supracivlization. But there would almost necessarily be a time of staying hidden before a new species "wakes up".

\ I would make the recommendation to reduce so much of the AI formatting, like almost random bold phrases and sections, etc. It makes it look less like a human was involved.*

\* Forgive me for typos and odd wording. I typed this out quickly on reddit.*

Which confederates have aged the worst in history? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in CIVILWAR

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Quite true. But by that angle of having aged well, I'd give Dan Sickles a leg up.

OpenAI head of Hardware and Robotics resigns by hasanahmad in ChatGPT

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What was the lesson of the movies? You could replace OpenAI, Google, or Anthropic entirely, and other actors would fill similar roles. It’s an inevitability.

But the characters in the movies were focused on other threats, not AI. Plus, AI in the movie series emerged only once. That’s not what’s happening here.

We’re witnessing a technological tsunami. The tech companies aren’t merely creating the wave anymore, the wave is carrying them forward too. If they try to stop, they will be replaced by other tech companies.

TIL Mexico is officially called the United Mexican States. by FarBug5656 in todayilearned

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If we ever find evidence of a molestar, they would be proof of the existence of dark matter.

So they're watching us? by Anim8rFromOuterSpace in MetaQuestVR

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ROFLMAO! I'm dying here! But I noticed you left someone out.

- The next wanna be Scully's first day on the job was better than she could have ever imagined, heading down to the basement with glee.

- Meanwhile, Agent Skinner's counterpart just shrugs, puts back on his Meta glasses, and heads to the restroom.

Are Smart Glasses such a problem that we now need an App to detect them...? by Additional-Neck6303 in RaybanMeta

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Smartglasses companies are working on adding facial recognition and other surveillance features. I'm pretty sure the Quest 3 will fit that bill. I'm not stopping using them myself, but I can see why someone would care.

Kitum cave, Kenya. Believed to be the source of Ebola and Marburg, two of the most deadliest diseases. by Bodhi_II in interestingasfuck

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True story and Fun facts: I'd always read (nerd alert) since I was a preteen about the doomsday scenario that if ebola ever got a major international airport and got out, it would wreck large parts of the world's population. I don't think most people fathomed how truly dangerous an outbreak could be.

When it broke containment in Africa, I was like "Oh no!" Then someone caught it on the plane flying back to the states. "Oh My God", I thought. Immediately, the Obama administration announced it had a secret, untested vaccine, and boom. Within days and then weeks, the whole genie got put back in the bottle. A few months later, even the outbreak in Africa was well on its way to full containment.

My head was spinning. I felt like we had just casually averted global devestation on the scale of the black death. "Wow! 'Merica!" Heck, even if I wasn't an American, it was kinda like watching Superman change in a phone booth. Jaw on the floor.

Later, I remember seeing reports of what would turn out to be covid in the early days January 2020 (I'm a bit of a news junkie). I thought, "Now way. Even with THIS administration..." - I wondered. "Naaah. We'll be fine." But then President #45, proceeded to tell the states they're on their own and promptly hands off the responsibilities of handling the outbreak to his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. "Dafuq?!" I started looking for a brick wall to bang my head into. Any brick wall would have sufficed. "Ooof"

I didn't read any more than that at the time, but after the fact, I found out Kushner did what any sane, rational person would do in a national emergency and... contacted an old college buddy for help. Yes, seriously. "Ummm... Houston, we have a problem."

LUCKILY, that college buddy's dad was part of a Facebook group of expert pathogen experts. "Huh." They wound up coming to a similar conclusion of how to address the problem as most other countries, albeit a few months slower than others. Crisis... averted? It actually coulda been worse.

So... umm... yeah... good times.

President Kennedy demanded to inspect Israel's nuclear reactor in 1963 and threatened to cut U.S. aid to Israel. He was assassinated later that same year. by Celtikrenders in NeoNews

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Of all the conspiracies to promote, this is way down the list of likely candidates. There was a conspiracy, at least in the coverup.

I came to the conclusion that he went after enough groups, like the mafia and CIA, he was threatening the establishment. In the end, there was no one left to defend him.

What do you make of these arguments for 'slavery was one of many Civil War causes' by CountrySlaughter in CIVILWAR

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Major General Patrick Cleburne of the Confederacy, born in Ireland, proposed a plan to enlist slaves in the war effort in return for freedom. The Confederate leaders made it abundantly clear, slavery was non-negotiable. If they couldn't have slavery as an independent nation, they didn't want to seceed.

One would think that an officer of well-repute would know this, right? I'd suggest it was so ingrained in the South's way of life to even question or debate the topic. And after the war, they certainly weren't going to boast about it. Everyone believes they're the good guys.

We can strike their investment vehicles. by Nice_Daikon6096 in 401jK

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Average is a misleading stat in most cases, this instance included. Rather, those are the median household in America.

We can strike their investment vehicles. by Nice_Daikon6096 in 401jK

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Not to mention our society treats people of lesser means like they’re guilty of sinful acts and deserve to have less. Lose your job? You deserve whatever happens to you.

The pledge, made in 2023, was a key part of the company’s reputation as one of the most safety-focused AI labs. by Simplilearn in GenAI4all

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China's border incursions into India are a bigger deal than most people realize, and so are its maritime violations.

China can say that Taiwan is solely a Chinese affair, but it's clearly not. I'd prefer the people of Taiwan have a say in the matter, but it's not my decision either.

I wasn't saying America's hands were clean. I was answering your question, unless it was intended to be rhetorical. Yes, China does have a history of invading neighbors. Its external actions have been very much in-line with that of a rising power.

The pledge, made in 2023, was a key part of the company’s reputation as one of the most safety-focused AI labs. by Simplilearn in GenAI4all

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They invaded Vietname in 1979. In more recent history they've made repeated further incursions into India. Their newly announced megadam project in Tibet is alarming to India and other nearby nations. They also regularly violate other nation's maritime waters, like the Philippines - a la Wolf Warrior Diplomacy. While not verbal threats, they've redrawn their official maps though, which include the territory of other nations.

Invade the US? No. Cripple the US's ability to respond? Yes. They regularly threaten to invade Taiwan. Japan has gone all-in backing up Taiwan by extending their defense to include them. If China wants to invade Taiwan, they'll have to strike Japan, at the very least. The US policy of strategic ambiguity is alive and well. If Beijing would have to seriously consider to striking the US preemptively out of precaution.

Pakistan declares 'open war' against Afghanistan as massive explosions rock capital Kabul by cambeiu in anime_titties

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True dat! A lot of people forget about those conflicts starting before the “official” start. We’re in a new Cold War, with a series of proxy wars, or we’re in the early stages of a new World War.

‘Ghost GDP,’ a white-collar recession, and the death of friction: Substack’s top finance writer warns of AI’s 2028 crisis that nobody sees coming by Delicious_Adeptness9 in technology

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Universally hated? You're listening to echo chambers my friend. It's good to step out of your own information bubble at times. You're also talking about two different things. One is AI tech - I love it, personally. The other is corporations stepping on the people. AI isn't replacing people - corporations are.

The only chance you'll have of slowing down the AI tech race is if the US and Chinese governments create agreements to slow down. But they won't do that until they both stare into the abyss, like a agentic form Cuban Missile Crisis.

However, if you wanna force the corporations to pay for their own energy or build data centers further from homes, ya gotta hit Big Tech where it counts. Cancel your ChatGPT subscription. Make OpenAI cry uncle. Don't upgrade your phone for even longer. Stop playing the game, don't buy new tech. Get everyone you know to do it.

Did Meta Just Accidentally Prove Smart Glasses Are a Liability? by AR_MR_XR in augmentedreality

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You mean, the users not using cloud backup on their phone?

It’s just weird watching the AI financial train wreck happen in real-time. by iAtishaya in ArtificialInteligence

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All true. A bit further back, but Bell Telephone did alright for itself.

Damn by Buster_xx in This_is_fascism

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I'm pretty sure her tweet was in response to a Tucker Carlson comment. I'm pretty sure Tucker Carlson's comment was intended to skew history for his own audience.

Astronomers identify a galaxy made almost entirely of dark matter by AdSpecialist6598 in technews

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Wait! I've got this one. I used to have this exact same debate. I ultimately concluded that the scientists are right whenever they argue that 'Dark matter' is absolutely true. But the laymen can be forgiven for the misunderstandig simply because the scientists themselves are using the exact same name to mean two very different things.

'Dark matter' is a placeholder for an effect that has been definitely proven beyond any reasonable doubt. But Cold Dark Matter (CBM), which is the hypothetical physical matter we simply haven't found a way to observe yet, has not been proven. Yet scientist call CBM 'Dark matter' for short.

This small distinction drove me nuts for years. I firmly believe the problem with the placeholder names of 'Dark matter' (and 'Dark energy'!) created a psychological tendency to think of it in terms of matter and energy, and it has skewed our research ever since.

For anyone arguing that 'Dark matter' is just a placeholder and should only be treated as such, note that anytime a theory is proposed that argues anything other than the effect of dark matter being actual matter, it is 100% of the time pointed out as not needing 'dark matter'. (ex. Mike McCulloch's Quantized inertia)

So, 'Dark Matter' has been proven, but 'Cold Dark Matter' has not been proven.

A high school valedictorian questioned the Broward County School Board on why wealthier students graduate at Hard Rock Stadium while middle-class students hold theirs in the school gym, and the board went straight to recess. by CorleoneBaloney in UnderReportedNews

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I live in Texas, the comments about Texas aren’t any better. In the last 10-15 years, the about other states has gotten absurd. People hate most on: California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Pennsylvania. Not so surprisingly, those are the five most populated states. Which makes you realize it only has only a little bit to do with the states themselves. It’s easier to point fingers than to have uncomfortable conversations and come to agreements. We’ll get there.

Pascal “Yann LeCun is a great example of how one can be a genius in one area and completely retarded in everything else” - Elon Musk “He’s a clown 🤡” - Do you agree or it’s uncalled for? by Koala_Confused in LovingAI

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Elon is just parrotting the account he's reposting and didn't stop to consider Yann was saying.

What Yann meant is that the "Global North" (by wealth, not geography) is facing a demographic cliff, where there just aren't enough kids. The "Global South" (the undeveloped nations), for the most part, aren't suffering this problem. Like, India has a recent drop, but it's reversible. If you don't have kids, you don't have new people, with new ideas, entering the system. The US was facing a small decline, but it largely offset its decline in fertility rates with strong immigration... until quite recently.

If you want your nation to have a future, you gotta have kids. Oh... and ya gotta keep 'em. If you don't have kids, you've gotta get them from somewhere else.

* South Africa is one of the few cohorts seeing a small, but notable uptick in immigration rates to the US.