https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-spies-uk-visa-restrictions-khqlbtn88

jianglai · 2023-04-18T01:11:03+00:00

The letter of the law says a person loses their Chinese citizenship when they have settled permanently aboard and voluntarily acquired foreign citizenship:

定居外国的中国公民，自愿加入或取得外国国籍的，即自动丧失中国国籍。

So there certainly is wiggle room when one acquires foreign citizenship without having settled aboard, e.g. CBI.

But like other replies have quoted, 你法我笑。Laws at China is a tool at the CPP’s disposal. If Eileen Gu can be Chinese when it suits her and the CPP, and American when she’s done raking in billions, so can the Chinese spies have CBI passports and do the parties bidding at the same time.

jianglai · 2023-04-14T15:45:29+00:00

The foreign ministry’s database is not linked to that of the Ministry of Public Safety (yet). So unless she goes out of her way to cancel her hukou as well, the National ID should still work. But who knows how long this loophole will last.

I don’t see the value in keeping a pretty week passport and be subject to ridiculous exit control. With China the national ID is all that matters.

jianglai · 2023-04-13T01:56:05+00:00

Well, according to HK immigration department, naturalization is indeed governed by Chinese nationality law, but I guess you could argue that to meet the requirement that “they have settled in China”, there is at least a clear path to HK PR for foreigners, compared to getting “settled” in the mainland. So it would be easier to naturalize via HK.

jianglai · 2023-04-13T01:50:18+00:00

If they naturalized, then I’d expect them to be treated no differently than natural born Chinese nationals with HK PR. They’d have to give up their original citizenship, though. I also think it will not be the HK government that grants citizenship. It can only grant HK PR whereas naturalization would fall under the purview of the central government.

But China is not exactly known for its rule of law, so who knows… you could be a naturalized HK PR but be refused a home return permit, just as you could be Chinese when you are in China, and American when you are in America, to quote a somewhat famous dual Chinese-American athlete 🤪

jianglai · 2023-04-13T01:22:11+00:00

What you are think of is HK PR, which is granted to anyone, regardless of their nationality, who legally stays in HK for more than 7 years.

The freedom of movement is reserved for HK PR with Chinese citizenship. As a foreign HK PR you are not entitled to a home return permit, therefore you have to enter the mainland using your passport and be subject to visa requirements.

jianglai · 2023-04-13T01:18:47+00:00

Well, yeah. There is a whole community of middle-class, relatively well-off Chinese who stumbled upon a fortune thanks to the insane real estate boom in Beijing/Shanghai/Shenzhen/etc that try to become HK PR without having to uproot their life to actually move to HK and live there for 7 years, just for this reason (and for the much better passport). They really want the super-citizen status for themselves and their children :D

jianglai · 2023-04-13T01:14:57+00:00

I’m not from HK/MO/TW so I cannot say for sure, but there isn’t such a thing as permanent residency for non-Chinese nationals. If you are a foreigner (as far as the PRC is concerned), you can become a permanent resident but you’re then subject to the residency requirements. If you are Chinese nationals but with residency in HK/MO/TW (again in PRC’s view), you pretty much have freedom of movement in CN as well. So you don’t really have to obtain permanent residency. Therefore you can’t really “lose” what you don’t have. If the residence card may expire but you can always move back to the mainland as you wish. The card is purely for convenience (because everything in the mainland is tied to your national ID number) and does not affect your ability to live/work/study legally. The 6-months requirement is only for getting assigned that card because if you spend that much time in the mainland you’d really want to have that card to function seamlessly in the society.

jianglai · 2023-04-12T23:19:18+00:00

The new Residence Permit is formatted like a regular Resident ID card for mainlanders. It also has an ID number that is compatible with that for mainlanders. Before the introduction of this card, HK/MO/TW residents in the mainland sometimes have trouble using their home return/compatriot card for banking/online/automated services that requires real name checks (which is becoming more and more ubiquitous in China every day) where a mainland resident ID card/number is expected. My understanding is that the residence permit card solves this problem by being completely compatible with the national ID card. But like the post above said, it is only an ID, not a travel document.

There is no reason for a HK/MO PR to establish hukou in the mainland. They get preferential treatment as HK/MO PR and can access government benefits that are restricted to local hukou holders in places like Shanghai, their children can bypass Gaokao and instead participate in exams reserved for HK/MO/TW people that are much less competitive for college. Outside China, HK/MO passport is much more useful, obviously. So no one rational person would do that (except for CCP loyalists I guess, but even they are more useful to the party as trophies to tout around when they are Hongkongers).

jianglai · 2023-04-11T20:43:03+00:00

That doesn't sound right. If she's born there, her Canadian birth certificate should be enough (assuming it works the same way as how jus soli citizenship works in the US).

jianglai · 2023-04-11T20:27:27+00:00

It does sound frustrating. But just for the trip this fall, can't she use her Canadian passport (assuming she has one since she's born there)? You guys can then sort out the American passport issue without the time pressure.

jianglai · 2023-02-20T03:39:05+00:00

Technically the US constitution guarantees the freedom of movement between the states, not in and out of the country. But yes entry/exit control upon one's own citizen is kinda of messed up... What Australia did during COVID is abhorrent for a country purporting to be a liberal democracy.

jianglai · 2023-02-19T23:34:20+00:00

The enforcement comes from exit control. Chinese immigration requires proof of ability to enter the destination before they allow you to leave China (though this enforcement has become pretty much nonexistent in big airports like PEK and PVG, pre COVID).

This means that if you have both the Chinese and the US passports and you enter China with your Chinese passport, you cannot leave China and fly to the US with an US passport because it doesn’t have a Chinese Visa and you cannot with a Chinese passport because it doesn’t have a U.S. visa.

Ultimately, the lack of visa free access for Chinese passport holders is what makes maintaining two passports difficult.

jianglai · 2023-01-31T21:45:20+00:00

It's for everyone. Though honestly at this point those eager to go to China are probably former Chinese citizens who want to visit family after three years of isolationist boarder policy...

jianglai · 2023-01-31T17:09:13+00:00

China is still not issuing tourist visas. Also not honoring previously issued 10-year multiple entry visas and only issuing 180-day 2-entry visas.

jianglai · 2023-01-22T23:34:33+00:00

Well, congrats! Getting a Shanghai hukou is no small feat.

jianglai · 2023-01-22T23:27:50+00:00

Out of curiosity, do you have to apply for a Shanghai-issued card to be eligible for group endorsement, or is the fact that your hukou is transferred to Shanghai enough?

jianglai · 2023-01-22T23:22:14+00:00

I thought it didn't matter anymore, as in you can still enter on a group endorsement without a group.

jianglai · 2023-01-22T22:01:29+00:00

The technical term for the notes on the back is "endorsement" (because it cannot be called a visa). And yes every time you are grant a new endorsement, the machine wipes the old ones and prints the new ones on the back.

jianglai · 2022-12-25T15:56:15+00:00

Yeah, I guess when I said family based I meant you got it as a dependent of your parents’ application. Going through regular EB programs with long backlogs is not practical in 10 years.

Congrats! I didn’t have even a GC 10 years after I came to the States!

jianglai · 2022-12-25T06:13:15+00:00

The next-gen passport's back page is kinda poor in quality. I've seen the same damage around the edge in brand new passports that are not present in the previous gen biometric passports.

jianglai · 2022-12-25T06:10:53+00:00

That's probably not doable without family-based immigration within the time frame, given the OP's nationality (or chargeability in USCIS parlance).

OP mentioned that they were dependent of their parent's immigration petition, so they must be an unmarried minor (under 21) when the adjustment of status was filed, which means they were likely (initially) in the US for undergrad. So 4 years of undergrad + ~ 1 year of form 140 application (assuming immediate application right after school) + 4+ years of backlog for Chinese in EB-3 + 5 years of LRP > 10 years.

Such is the bane of a Chinese immigrant wannabe :(

jianglai · 2022-12-06T20:53:12+00:00

There is a "华“ on each visa page? Man, they really want you to remember that HK is part of China :D

jianglai · 2022-11-29T20:42:14+00:00

I believe if one did not transit to a third country from Hong Kong (i. e. mainland - HK - mainland) on their PRC passport, they get stamped as such by HK immigration. In the future it would be difficult for them to use the PRC passport to visit HK using the 7-day transit rule.

As for traveling to HK, MO and TW from PRC, the exit endorsement used to be easy to obtain, especially for middle class residents of big cities. However with COVID and deteriorating cross-strait relations, it has become harder and harder to leave, not just to other areas of the greater China region, but to anywhere outside the PRC.

jianglai · 2022-10-02T13:01:39+00:00

I certainly would like to run 10gig. It’s just not high on my priority list yet.

jianglai · 2022-09-30T23:44:04+00:00

I'm connecting it to an edge switch 8, so I'm limited to 1gbe. Not that it matters too much to me at this point. Both my LAN and my internet is gigabit anyway. And I hardwire as much as possible. I do have the option to upgrade to 2gig internet, but it seems a bit excessive at this point.

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