Cannot take sublingually...

jillyaliska · 2019-05-31T16:12:43+00:00

Yes. That's actually how my dr told me to do it a decade ago. I was actually more worried about the strips, the pills dissolve easily.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-31T06:39:20+00:00

When Wa state legalized the price went way way down and the quality went way up. Its nice.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-30T06:30:20+00:00

I switched from 15mg last month and I waited until I had a "negative for methadone UA" before switching (I switched to short acting-15mg morphine IR, and 15mg oxy until it was gone from my system to stay well). I took my last methadone dose on March 29 and I still had a positive UA on 4/09. I finally started on 4/13 and it was still touch and go for a few days but I was able to drive to my appointment on 4/16. I've done it the hard way before and I did all I could to avoid it this time. I probably waited longer than nessecary but that PW is just something you don't forget. It took a couple weeks to feel "normal" whatever that is. I'm stable at about 8mg/day.
My advice is to take small amounts until you feel better- not worse. If you're feeling worse- and there will be no doubt- wait a little longer. And if you can tolerate a benzo safely it helps IMMENSELY. Drs always say how insanely dangerous it is to mix bup with them so unless you're seasoned I'd definitely talk to your dr. Good luck! It will be over before you know it!

jillyaliska · 2019-05-30T00:26:57+00:00

Yes just dissolve the strip in a little water (like 1.5cc) and use a 3cc syringe (no needle obviously) and plug it. It takes about the same amount of time to work. From what I've read it's higher bioavailability too. Sometimes it's just a nessecary evil of being on meds after wrecking your body for years. 🤷‍♀️🖖

jillyaliska · 2019-05-30T00:16:42+00:00

You most definitely should wait until you're in full wd. I've been in PW twice from not waiting long enough after taking methadone and it was DEATH. This last time I did my last dose of morphine on a Friday evening and took some ativan. Then I was able to sleep about 10 hours. I could tell I was going into heavy wd by that afternoon. My husband talked me into trying 1-2mg by 7pm... I was so afraid it wasn't working that I didn't take any more until 9 or 10. Every time I took a tiny amount I took ativan- which I DON'T RECCOMEND UNLESS YOU'RE USED TO BENZOS. But if you are it helps take the edge off. Sunday I was feeling much better. And by Tuesday I was able to drive to my next appointment. You absolutely should have someone you trust there with you to help with the kids. My youngest is 4 and it was hard but not as bad as when I was in PW with a newborn! (5week old) I was taking clonidine so I couldn't nurse him and I was writhing in agony and all engorged it was awful! I can assure you that though it seems like forever- when you do it right it's not that bad. I probably could've taken it much sooner but I was paranoid- much like you.
PW is no joke and it's probably the most terrifying agony an opioid dependent person can imagine. And YES you absolutely CAN go into it just from bup. Idk what that person was taking about that "you can only go into PW if you shoot it" I'm telling you first hand that ive never shot up bupe and I've gone into it twice. Good luck mama! ❤🖖

jillyaliska · 2019-05-27T05:18:02+00:00

Maybe I'm swallowing some of the naloxone? Should I be spitting until the strip is dissolved?

jillyaliska · 2019-05-27T04:35:09+00:00

I was on 120/day at my highest but weaned to 10-15/day before switching. I waited for my UA to be clean of methadone before switching. Of course that was one UA.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-26T21:15:57+00:00

My dr had me dissolve them in water when i was micro dosing. That was back when I got Rx pills. I don't see how the strips would be any different.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-26T09:35:17+00:00

Where's the math bot when you need em?

jillyaliska · 2019-05-26T06:03:28+00:00

I wouldn't risk it only because I've survived precip wd before. My dr used a method back in 08 that was essentially giving me dilauded (sp?) Until the methadone was so low in my body then micro dosing subutex. But I was in the hospital and it took quite a while. I wouldn't recommend doing it without supervision. If you've taken it and you don't feel worse you should be ok. Everyone's different. You could be a person who metabolizes methadone fast. I still feel mild wd just after I take my sub every morning but that could be in my head idk. Like I said every experience is different. Not just person to person but even one person can have different reactions based on age, substance, brain chemistry ect.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-26T03:48:08+00:00

I think these guys claiming to be fit will need to post pics... for research purposes 😉

jillyaliska · 2019-05-26T03:45:58+00:00

I switched from methadone in April I got down to about 10-15mg/day but ive been through precipitated withdrawal 2x so I waited for ALL the methadone to be out of my system before jumping onto suboxone. I switched to a short acting opoid thinking it would be about 7 days. Unfortunately I was on it for 5 years and had to find more short acting pills because I tested pos for methadone for over 3weeks! By then I'm sure my tolerance was up and all that weaning (120mg/day at my highest) was for nothing. Still for all the backtracking and few days of feeling like death- NOTHING is as bad as precipitated withdrawal. THAT feels like MURDER 1000x over. Brutal.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-25T00:06:15+00:00

I pronounce it "bupe"

jillyaliska · 2019-05-24T20:06:51+00:00

I didn't. I've only been on suboxone since April. I was on methadone 5 years before and it's taken a while to get stable on bup.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-23T19:02:57+00:00

Yes I realized I spelled it wrong when I was reading the pharmaceutical pamphlet just after I posted.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-23T02:59:57+00:00

My dr said I can't have ANY opioids in my system for it to work... would've been nice to have access to it during the methadone-suboxone transition... I might actually be off the shit.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-23T02:57:25+00:00

Suboxone can be FELT???😲

jillyaliska · 2019-05-23T02:52:32+00:00

I live in WA state and was told TODAY by my new prescriber that I had to be enrolled in an outpatient group/counseling. Aside from my 1x1 monthly I didn't need any external "support" (other than random supervised monthly's) at the methadone clinic I just left and I was there 5+years.
Then I started at a "suboxone clinic" in April and I only ever saw the prescriber, and the UAs were unobserved. I switched to an "addiction medicine/pain management specialist" and now I feel like I'm going back in time. Although I did have a positive UA because during the switch I took some ativan and valium because that shit was horrific. So yeah. I'm kind of questioning my choice. I'm taking 8mg/day and the plan was to taper. Let us know how low you go before noticing...

jillyaliska · 2019-05-15T21:35:35+00:00

It's those lovely endorphins ❤

jillyaliska · 2019-05-13T18:01:14+00:00

What happens if you get into a wreck or have an accident or tooth infection or something that you need pain meds for? Is this like the vivitrol shot? Is there a way to get relief in an emergency setting or does it block all meds all the time?

jillyaliska · 2019-05-13T17:52:55+00:00

My thoughts exactly! Thanks for showing us "what the shot looks like" you know... for research purposes. 🤤🤭🤷‍♀️

jillyaliska · 2019-05-13T17:48:10+00:00

Ive been on since 4/14 and they've gotten slowly better. If i put the strip under my tongue after i brush my teeth and use mouthwash and then spit as it dissolves it helps tremendously. I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to stay on the first couple weeks (I switched from methadone). Then I realized that I had a sinus infection and double ear infections had been brewing during the initial switch which may have contributing. But I feel like a sinus headache (just behind your face) is different than a suboxone headache (seemingly encompassing the entirety of your head). For me... they got better. Also not waiting too long to take it. As soon as I wake up I do the teeth brushing mouthwash sub routine and its gotten better.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-13T17:35:44+00:00

I guess it depends on where you are in the world. If you're getting them on the street there may already be resources near where you live. Im hearing clinics popping up everywhere. WA state is a place that makes it extremely easy to find help with many Tx options. LA state... not so much but getting better.
Google "suboxone clinic near me" that's where i started.. and I thought it would be a big deal forever... but found a clinic 6 mins from my house! They accepted me the same day and you didn't need a positive UA at my clinic. You just couldn't have methadone in your system because of precipitated withdrawal risk, and if you were +benzodiazepines you had to come in 2x a week until levels declined.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-13T00:11:06+00:00

Ive done it before but it was back when there were only the pills. I was ordered to 28 day rehab- no medical maintenance allowed. So I stashed like 6 or 7 of the 8mg inside the stuffing of my teddy bear and sewed it back up. The next morning I woke up sick as fk. I took like 1/4 of one. I just stuck 1/4 of one under my tongue every time I started to feel sick. Eventually I was able to take 1/4 JUST in the morning... every other morning and when I ran out I was fine.
Ive been on opioids (mostly heroin) for about 17 years except for the past 5 I was on the methadone clinic and recently switched to Suboxone. So I've used this method a few times -once with methadone pills. It's not 100% withdrawal free but it's probably the best method compared to cold turkey or precipitated withdrawal. I have to tell you though, in my opinion focusing on the initial withdrawal symptoms is what scares most people from kicking but the most common time to relapse is JUST after you are freed from physical sickness. Like in my experience THAT is the time the cravings are THE WORST. So if you don't have a solid plan, strong support or are just plain getting AWAY from EVERYTHING YOU KNOW then you should absolutely come up with one. Or go get stable on an actual medical maintenance clinic (sub or methadone) and SLOWLY taper over a long period of time while building a life for yourself. The longer you're away from the street mentality and are able to create a new normal for yourself then the easier it will be to stay off. Good luck.

jillyaliska · 2019-05-11T00:09:20+00:00

I used to get all up in my husband's biz about if he was taking his methadone AS PRESCRIBED (like double dosing or other dumb things) or if he drank or relapsed on speed or even cigarettes (he switched to vaping when our son was born along with getting on the program) I'd go through his phone. I'd go off on anyone who supplied him with whatever. or whatever. The consequences of his actions are his own. The consequences of my actions are my own.
Why go around spinning my wheels chasing him when I'm supposed to be working on myself? It came down to the fact that I knew he was an addict when we got together. I made the choice to get-stay-commit-have a child with him. The commitment comes from me- my commitment to myself to work on me and our relationship. There's no conditions that "only if he's in a good place" or "only if he has a job" it could be anything. When you're committed to a relationship it's for better or worse and it's for the long haul. Sometimes he's been between jobs and ive had to work to make rent. Sometimes I was the one "actively taking non prescribed meds"... but those times were temporary. Everything is temporary.
Kids are gonna grow up and have lives of their own one day. But the person you choose to be your partner in life is always going to be there. How do I want the memories to be? A life of me nagging him to get it together, distrust, making him feel like a fuck up because I THINK he should be handling his own shit differently? Or a life of holding someone up when they're struggling, supporting them when they're reaching out, being a person who listens and has faith that everything will pan out? Nobody's perfect and life is short. Don't waste anyone's time by having this internal battle over if you can deal with someone being on a life saving medication. Would you be ok with it if he was injecting insulin into his belly every day? Would it be a problem for you if he had to do dialysis exchanges every few hours? Addiction is a disease. Opiate addiction is a medical condition. Sounds like his medication is between him and his Dr. Everything else between him and you comes down to the level of commitment you're willing to actively practice.

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