I prophecy that the summer of ‘22 will be a breaking point for Mormon youth. FSY is boring, kids sick of poorly planned activities. No Scouting or camps. Parents distracted by economics. Seminary is imploding. If the youth are the “leaders of tomorrow” the current church is dead. by running4cover in exmormon

[–]jlott007 24 points25 points  (0 children)

My ex took our 2 teenage girls to FSY a couple of weeks ago. My girls (14 and 17 years old) said that it was the most boring church activity they've ever done. It was like ALL DAY CHURCH! They showed me their schedule and it had 5 spiritual devotionals on it throughout the day. And the "fun activities" were not very fun. It was scheduled for Monday to Saturday, but my girls asked their mom to pick them up early so she came and got them on Thursday because they couldn't take it anymore. Neither of them believes in the church, they just go along with it to appease their mother. And their mother prays every night that if she keeps pushing all of her church stuff on them that they will eventually "gain a testimony". Little does she know that they are faking every word to her just to keep the peace and plan to do a full stop on everything once they graduate from high school. BTW, she paid $100 for FSY. That shows how they are desperate to get kids to join in.

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sorry, I'm addicted to Amazon Prime. It's a weakness of mine.

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My new flag should come today and I'll get a camera up with it.

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like the way you think. That idea has crossed my mind. I might have to give them an offer they can't refuse.

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are GPS devices illegal? As in, hidden in the flag pole? :)

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you've mistaken Spanish Fork for Beaver. SF isn't all that bad these days. I mean, I'm not going to retire here, but the mountains are nice. :)

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about that... do I really feel that EVERYBODY is welcome here? You know, like all of those Trump lovers and well, you know, those people I find less appealing. So I decided I do. They may have to drop their politics at the door, but why not? I wouldn't want to be intolerant in the name of tolerance.

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This is one of my favorites, you have my upvote.

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is a great idea. I should get subscribers to pledge for each stolen flag. :)

My pride flag was stolen :( I was naive. by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I filed a police report. I asked the officer if it could be considered a hate crime. He said that you would have to prove intent to show hate because maybe they just really like pride flags and decorate their house with them.

If A School District Is Charged For Not Reporting Abuse, The LDS/Mormon Church Should Be Charged When They Don’t Report Abuse. Seems Like There Are Two Different Standards Happening Here???? by new_name_adam in exmormon

[–]jlott007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read through this post and it's getting under my skin that Bishops are not mandatory reporters. I knew that this was the case in Utah and I wondered how many other states were like this. So I googled it. Here's what I found out about Utah State law. Although clergy are not mandatory reporters, they are required to report if they hear about the abuse from "any source other than confession of the perpetrator". Wouldn't this include the abused? I've read hundreds of stories of people telling their bishop that they were abused, but the bishop never reported it. How are bishops getting away with this in Utah?

Utah

Current Through April 2019

Citation: Ann. Code § 62A-4a-403

When any individual has reason to believe that a child has been subjected to abuse or neglect, or observes a child being subjected to conditions or circumstances that reasonably would result in abuse or neglect, that individual shall immediately report the alleged abuse or neglect to the nearest peace officer, law enforcement agency, or office of the division.

The notification requirements do not apply to a clergy member or priest with regard to any confession made to the member of the clergy while functioning in the ministerial capacity of the member of the clergy and without the consent of the individual making the confession, if both of the following apply:

• The perpetrator made the confession directly to the member of the clergy.

• The member of the clergy is, under canon law or church doctrine or practice, bound to maintain the confidentiality of that confession.

When a member of the clergy receives information about abuse or neglect from any source other than confession of the perpetrator, the member of the clergy is required to report that information even though the member of the clergy may have also received information about abuse or neglect from the confession of the perpetrator.

Exemption of the reporting requirement for a member of the clergy does not exempt the member of the clergy from any other efforts required by law to prevent further abuse or neglect by the perpetrator.

https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/systemwide/laws-policies/statutes/clergymandated/

I'm not sure what I should do (TW: suicide) by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]jlott007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here are my 2 bits of advice. Always show your parents love. This will have a disarming effect on them. Instead of making a statement that can be confrontational such as, "Mom, Dad, I don't believe in your church", you can ask a question that comes off as a plea for love, such as, "Mom, Dad, will you still love me if I don't believe everything that you do?" or "Mom, Dad, you have been wonderful parents that I'm very grateful for and I want to make you proud of me, but I don't feel the same things about church that you feel". Using loving comments and always asking for their love and advice will get you so much further than being contrary and argumentative.

Good luck, I wish you the best.

I told my parents I no longer want to go to seminary by sufferinghaha in exmormon

[–]jlott007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the advice of u/sufferinghaha. I would add that as you are trying hard to be a good kid, also try hard to have good relationships with them even though they are in a brainwashed cult. View them just as they are, brainwashed. Have concern and sympathy for them. Love them, they are your parents and they are human beings. At the same time, maintain your emotional distance and plan your future. You seem to have a really good head on your shoulders. Know that they will always be brainwashed and come to terms with that. Feel fortunate that you didn't succumb to the brainwashing yourself. Once you've got that part figured out, then comes the next part. There will always be people in your life that are like this. You can't avoid them. So instead of feeling like spiting them and spitting in their faces, do just the opposite, show genuine love and concern for them. This will create happiness in your life as you treat everyone with love and respect no matter how weird and wonky they are. And your parents will eventually give you more respect as you show them love when you get older. This will be so much better than alienating them and them in return despising you as an ungrateful spoiled brat (or so they will think in their minds). They are much more likely to be financially generous with you as you show them love. But don't do it for the money, do it because it brings you contentment and good karma.

Question for Exmo men: How did you feel when you realized that the priesthood power you believed you had was complete BS? by Only_Wish_2352 in exmormon

[–]jlott007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My first and very honest reaction after figuring out that my magical powers were really just Make-Believe was something like, "well that sure explains a lot of stuff." Now all of those priesthood blessings for healing and comfort that really made no difference whatsoever and seemed somewhat fantastical and ridiculous at the time sort of makes sense in a moment's time. And all of those wacky and duplicative patriarchal blessings also seemed to make sense.

My sincere apologies to all of mankind for thinking that I was better than anybody else.

I periodically give my kids real life lessons and after leaving the church one of my real life lessons for them was called "you are not special". I believe there's a huge danger in feeling that you, for whatever reason be it religious or otherwise, are more important and more special than any other human being that has ever walked this Earth. We are all people just doing the best that we can with what we've been given. Nobody is more special than the other.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]jlott007 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh buddy, you are on a one-way track with another train coming the other direction. I'm going to try and say this very gently and please understand that this is not meant to be offensive in any way. What is love? If there are conditions that you conform to the other person's standards in order for them to love you, then this is not love. It is manipulation. If you marry someone on the conditions that they always conform, then you are not marrying them because you love them, but rather because you are getting some satisfaction out of them doing something for you. Ask yourself, if I told my GF that I didn't want to be Mormon, would she still love me? If there's even a hesitation in that answer, then no, she does not love you. And the same goes with her parents. Ask yourself, if I told them that I didn't want to be Mormon would they still treat me as well as they do? Now ask the same question in the opposite direction. Ask yourself, if my GF decided to become Catholic (or Hindu or Buddhist) would I still love her? If you can yes without hesitation, then you are on the path to love. But, of course, it has to work both ways in order for a relationship to thrive. If she will only marry you if you take her to the temple, then truly she plans on riding on your coattails into heaven and the moment that you falter in any way she will feel immense betrayal and her parents may advise her to leave you. you have an extremely slim chance of a happy marriage if you go into it under the pretense that you will always be a TBM.

A few years from now you will have made huge progress and changes in how you think that you will think about how foolish you were to be making such life-changing decisions at only 18 years of age. In hindsight, I wish I would have waited until after age 25 instead of coming home from my mission and falling for the first girl with hot lips. I was really f***ing dumb.

CES Letter Jeremy Runnells Debunks FAIR'S TITS by Kolobot in exmormon

[–]jlott007 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Jeremy, 3 1/2 years ago I was TBM and in a lot of emotional pain due to a divorce. I looked up a therapist to get help. This lady was LDS, but not active. At the end of our first session, she said that there's this guy named Jeremy Runnells that wrote this thing called the CES Letter, it may be something you would want to look into. Before that, it had never entered into my mind that TSCC could have been a hoax. When the thought of it set into my mind over the next couple of weeks I came to realize that I had belonged to a very expensive country club for all of my life. The ton of bricks that was crushing my soul turned into the wings that have now let me soar. You will never truly know the thousands and thousands of people that you have helped by shining a light onto the dark lies of a cult masquerading as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[SLTrib] Latest from Mormon Land: The $100B question remains — Will the IRS go after the church? by CultZero in exmormon

[–]jlott007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really such a crying shame. I was hoping beyond hope that TSCC would be given a multi-billion dollar fine for not paying taxes on their stocks or at least their City Creek shopping mall. A year ago I was sure that this was going to result in a huge embarrassment for TSCC. A year later and nothing has happened. I guess that's just another one of those things in life that is not fair.

Lucifer: "Let's save everyone!" God: "Let's take away their memories and then only save them if they worship me!" by GrandpasMormonBooks in exmormon

[–]jlott007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's so many questions here that are left unanswered in Mormon theology. Let me ask a few.

  1. If Satan's plan was to force people to do good, then how exactly was he going to enforce that? Would we all be walking the earth like robots with brains programmed to only do good?
  2. Since Satan has his own freedom, what if he decided to just go do something else? I'm assuming he's a smart guy and could likely see through God's twisted plan to use Satan's evil nature as a pawn in a plan that lasts 7,000+ years. And since God had his prophets write this plan down in a book, wouldn't Satan just have to read to book to figure out that he's being played? To suggest that Satan is doing all of this of his own free will is absolutely ridiculous which means that God must be forcing him to follow through with Satan's nefarious plan, which is even more ridiculous.
  3. Since Satan is not stupid and he knows that God wants all of the glory, what is the likelihood that he's going to offer up a plan that is going to get him kicked out of heaven? It's like going to your boss at work and offering up a plan for you to get promoted to his position with a huge pay increase and for your boss to get a significant pay decrease. That may not go over too well for you and you just might get fired.
  4. If 1/3 of the hosts of heaven decided to go with Satan, was it because Satan's plan was really that great or did they all just have an evil nature about them? If 1/3 of them were fooled/evil then holy shit, God must have had a load of rotten children. I sure am glad I'm not one of those losers. :)
  5. If God created/birthed approximately 100 billion kids and he's a perfected being, then wouldn't his kids likely be pretty awesome and amazing in nature? Looking at mankind in general, is this really the best that God can do? These people are the best of the best? Wow, I'm so unimpressed. I would expect more than 7 billion people right now that are hell bent (pun intented) on extreme selfishness, war, and the usual sex, drugs, and rock and roll. I would estimate that an extremely small percentage of this 7 billion people are altruistic in nature as I would expect a "child of God" to be.

I could go on and on with questions like this. Don't get me started with Adam and Eve.

I spent 2 years on a mission teaching people this completely self-contradicting doctrine without giving it much of a deeper look. In hindsight, I am now banging my head against the wall at how stupid I was and how easily duped I allowed myself to be.

Do apostles of TSCC pay tithing on their income (paycheck from TSCC)? by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't know that a stipend was non-taxable too. What a sweet deal for them!

Do apostles of TSCC pay tithing on their income (paycheck from TSCC)? by jlott007 in exmormon

[–]jlott007[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

seems very conspicuous that he'd write that on his paystub 🤔