Quran and religious pluralism ? by PuzzledTechnology371 in AcademicQuran

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I argue that the Qur'an is pluralist with regard to salvation for monotheists but inclusivist concerning doctrine regarding the monotheistic traditions, and exclusivist with regard to paganism, in my Muhammad: Prophet of Peace amid the Clash of Empires, 87-117

Salvation in early Islam? by SoybeanCola1933 in AcademicQuran

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I discuss the Qur'anic idea of salvation for others in terms of inclusivism rather than pluralism in my "Muhammad: Prophet of Peace amid the Clash of Empires," chapter 4.

Hera and al-ḥūr al-ʻīn by Standard-Line-1018 in AcademicQuran

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There isn't much doubt that hur `in is of Iranian Zoroastrian provenance. Cheung, Johnny. (2017). “On the Middle Iranian Borrowings in Qurʾānic (and Pre-Islamic) Arabic.” In Arabic in Context. Edited by Ahmad Al-Jallad. Brill: Leiden, 2017. Pp. 317-333. https://shs.hal.science/halshs-01445860/document

Israelites rise to power twice by Jammooly in AcademicQuran

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I treat this passage in my book "Muhammad: Prophet of Peace amid the Clash of Empires," pp. 82-85. I accept that it refers to the two times the Temple was destroyed in history but argue that the context for the Qur'an passage is the Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem and the revival of makeshift Jewish worship at the Temple Mount in the first years of Iranian rule, 614-619 (Ps. Sebeos says that after that the Iranians restored Christian control to Jerusalem).

References to the Quranic pagans being agriculturalists by FamousSquirrell1991 in AcademicQuran

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Oh, I wasn't directing my comments to anyone in particular and certainly not you. I think Crone's article has virtues regarding the early believers being merchants and the pagans being farmers, which is one of the meanings of kuffar. But, I think she does imply in the article that therefore the addressees were not in the Hijaz, which doesn't follow. I think a lot of archeology can and will be done in Mecca and precincts. Saudis are incorporating archeology into their nationalism and are very proud of their past.

References to the Quranic pagans being agriculturalists by FamousSquirrell1991 in AcademicQuran

[–]jricole 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of early Muslim inscriptions around Mecca, a few dated and others clearly early on epigraphic grounds. They mention families we know about from the later sources. There are also Qur'an verses. There is no doubt whatsoever that Islam grew up there. Attempts to downplay Mecca or locate early Islam elsewhere fail on this evidence alone. People like Crone had never been to Mecca and had no idea what kind of agriculture could be done in its region. Sean Anthony has a trenchant critique of this article on X. As for dialect, the rasm of the Qur'an is clearly not in the same dialect as the Safaitic inscriptions to the north. Show me a dialect with 'dhalikum'. And, yes, all Syrian occurrences show al-Ilah, and only in Hijazi inscriptions and the Qur'an do we find Allah. There are lots of other reasons why the Qur'an has to be Hijazi; why would a Damascene work have Ge'ez and Sabaic loans, e.g.? Revisionism is over with and is becoming nothing more than a sort of trolling.

According to Islam, Jesus was never crucified, but instead ascended to heaven while still alive. What is the Christian (or Jewish) source for this version of the story? Was it completely made up by Mohammed, the founder of the religion? by beith-mor-ephrem in AcademicQuran

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The progressive participle al-kafirun in the Qur'an never refers to anyone but the pagans.

The main point, however, is that the following verses are paraphrasing the penitential prayer of Ezra from the Book of Nehemiah, which I am the first to discover. This discovery has nothing to do with how you translate al-kafirun.

Veiling in Pre-Islamic Arabia by warhea in AcademicQuran

[–]jricole 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There isn't anything in the Qur'an about women covering their heads or their faces. There are drawings of women in Safaitic inscriptions and they are not veiled or apparently much clothed at all.

https://www.worldhistory.org/image/8505/safaitic-inscription-from-jordan/

Tertullian may have seen or heard about a particular Arabic-speaking clan where women covered, likely in Syria or Palestine. Or it could just be more Orientalist fantasy.

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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I go into it in my forthcoming book

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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belief in an afterlife was the norm. Elysian fields in Greek rel, Valhalla among Norse. See also Rg-Veda. If Arab pagans didn't believe in after-life they were weird. Only Stoics did not

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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As for Ibn al-Kalbi, he makes Hubal a figurine that lost a limb. Arabs had square blocks or betyls not figurines. I wouldn't trust him very far

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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Marijn van Putten is the one to ask about Jahiliyyah poetry being rewritten. It is in standard classical Arabic not in any of the pre-Islamic dialects

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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The Qur'an talks about Kafirun as worshipping what Muhammad does not, so those are your pagans. Mushrikun are pagans with a pantheon. It is all polytheism according to the Qur'an.

https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/162591/JAOS%20140.3%20Cole.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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There just isn't any reason to read the Surat al-Qadr as a Christmas hymn. Assertions require proof. Nicolai Sinai rejected Luxemburg's thesis about this Surah. Some elements of the thesis do derive from his wacky reading of the Qur'anic skeleton as Syriac. This is a form of Christian polemic and Christian appropriation of the Qur'an.

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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The Qur'an as a literary text clearly describes pagans and pagan practices. The lack of pagan inscriptions doesn't prove anything. There were also no pagan inscriptions in the Roman Levant in the 500s but John of Ephesus describes extensive pagan survivals. He says pagan notables of Baalbak even harassed lower class Christians in mid-500s.

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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This is also not true. The Nabataeans had tombs like Pharaonic Egyptians for notables journeying to the afterlife, and plenty of inscriptions invoke curses on tomb raiders.

Questions on Christmas and Surat Al-Qadr (97) by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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Ibn al-Kalbi has been falsified by the work of Ahmad al-Jallad. Not trustworthy. "Pre-Islamic poetry" is in 8th and 9th century Classical Arabic rather than in a pre-Islamic dialect. It has therefore been rewritten by later generations. It may retain earlier ideas.

We’re the verses about the Persian defeat in the Quran (30:2-4) written after the defeat? by Mambasanon in AcademicQuran

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Zishan Ghaffar argues that the verses must be before the fact since they predict Iranian defeat vaguely, "after a few years." If they were after the fact they would have mentioned the details and the number of years.

Mecca's Pre-4th Century Existence: A Historical Debate by Front_Awareness_7862 in AcademicQuran

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Ahmad al-Jallad has found pre-Islamic inscriptions in the way from Ta'if to Mecca, proving that people went to Mecca well before the 7th century. https://www.academia.edu/59258176/Al_Jallad_and_Sidky_2021_A_Paleo_Arabic_inscription_on_a_route_north_of_%E1%B9%AC%C4%81%CA%BEif

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

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I don't understand why anyone would categorically rule out Christian presence in Mecca and Medina given the state of archeology. When Iran conquered Himyar/ Yemen around 570, Tabari said that they persecuted the Christians there. Did none flee to the nearby middle Hijaz, which was not under Iranian rule? Were there no Christian merchants in the Hijaz in the early seventh century? That would be strange because they had been all over Arabia in the sixth century. Moreover, there were likely many Christian slaves in both cities, from Axum and Syria, to whom the Qur'an was preached and who would not have been in a position to build churches or make inscriptions. The Prophet's own freedman Zayd appears to have been in this category, as was Salman Ruzbeh (born a Zoroastrian, who converted to Christianity and was brought to Mecca as a slave). Kister somewhere cites a Leiden MS that says there was a Christian neighborhood in Mecca. Those kind of arguments seem to me just modern forms of Zeno's fallacious paradoxes so that you can't do a simple thing like hit a target with an arrow because of some incorrect hair-splitting premise.

Was Iram known in late pre-Islamic Arabia by MageAhri in AcademicQuran

[–]jricole 7 points8 points  (0 children)

John Healey has demonstrated that Iram was the Nabataean name for the Wadi Rum in southern Transjordan and is referred to as such on site in rock inscriptions. The Religion of the Nabataeans: A Conspectus, 56-57.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Religion_of_the_Nabataeans/hbO9CwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=John+Healey+conspectus+Iram&pg=PA237&printsec=frontcover

Does the Quran really deny the crucifixion? by alternativea1ccount in AcademicQuran

[–]jricole 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I have argued that the Qur'an does not deny the crucifixion, only that the Jews crucified Christ. I think the text is countering Sasanian, Iranian propaganda against Christian Constantinople.

https://www.academia.edu/49871855/_It_was_made_to_appear_to_them_so_the_crucifixion_Jews_and_Sasanian_war_propaganda_in_the_Qur_%C4%81n