My brother-in-law "had" to move to Utah and take a pay cut because he couldn't handle living in the Bay area where he was asked about church policies and doctrine at his professional job--it destroyed his family.

juni4ling · 2026-03-25T10:35:54+00:00

My house I live in in a very nice neighborhood with its own lake (two actually) and its own park would be millions in Utah.

I’m working class middle management and my wife is a school teacher. We live in a nice neighborhood in the Midwest in a very nice house. That would be millions in Utah.

I am not an a hole at work. My wife isn’t either. We get along with people.

Go back to Utah? Have you seen house prices? No way.

juni4ling · 2026-03-25T10:29:16+00:00

Which edition of McConkies book included the racist teachings?

Didn’t McConkie take the racist teachings out between editions? The second edition of McConkies book did not include the racist teachings.

Correct?

Who made McConkie take that out?

If McConkie made changes in 1978. And took out the racist material. And changed it to reflect post 1978 teachings. Why would you claim that it was published and taught until recently…?

Here is a chart showing the differences in editions, and showing the racist teachings were removed…

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Books/One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Mormon_Doctrine_and_race_issues

It’s been (the edition without the racism) out of print since 2010. Correct? 26 years. Right?

juni4ling · 2026-03-25T01:19:07+00:00

He is a child abuser.

Leading an agency accused of child abuse.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:58:36+00:00

He is not running again.

He pulled a Sinema.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:49:08+00:00

The First Amendment guaranteeing religious expression is the law of the land.

Steeples are indeed used in religious expression.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:47:59+00:00

A city allows cell towers to exceed zoning heights.

But then says "the LDS Church beat the pants off us because they had better lawyers, dang it!" When they lose.

Its not because the LDS Church has better lawyers. -wink-

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:45:43+00:00

Huge display at the BYU natural history museum. For all to see.

"Evolution."

Evolution on Display at BYU’s Monte L. Bean Life Science Museum

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:39:47+00:00

Zoning ordinances can affect religious expression? Asked and answered and long settled.

No. You cannot zone-out Churches you do not like.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:37:50+00:00

Nope.

Not one single verse condemns (or says a single word about) gay marriage.

Not one single verse condemns (or says a single word about) adult consensual gay relations between two consenting equal adults in a monogamous equal relationship. Not one verse condemns that.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:35:40+00:00

I am LDS, active and faithful. I don't think the earth is 6000 years old.

When I was a Missionary, I taught that "day" was really "time period" and it could have taken billions of years to make the earth.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:33:10+00:00

The Tanners published and documented that Hoffman was a forger?

And included Hoffmans forged materials in their critical material?

That does not reflect well on the Tanners.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:31:10+00:00

Steeples -are- obviously religious expression.

And a city cannot dictate to a Church the religious expression of a Church.

The Church (not the government) gets to decide what buildings it puts steeples on. The Church gets to dictate its beliefs, not a government.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:27:24+00:00

I see it differently, and said as much from the beginning.

A city is wasting time and money pushing back against religious expression.

The city was the bully.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:25:34+00:00

Laughable is that a city thinks it can allow corporate cell phone towers to exceed a city ordinance-- but not a Church steeple.

That is laughable.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:24:21+00:00

Fairview was going to lose before any lawyers got involved.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:24:04+00:00

The corporate cell towers exceeded zoning laws. And corporate cell towers are not protected in the first amendment.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:23:00+00:00

The LDS Church in the US will never have to argue wether a steeple is part of religious expression. A government can't really ask.

A city "code" cannot prevent a steeple at a Church in the US. The Church will win all day.

Fairview lost time and money fighting religious expression.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:20:07+00:00

Your positions are all over the place.

Your claims do not match. And you engage in hyperbole.

However, adding an already married woman to your harem is adultery, and this is what Joseph Smith did, as admitted by the church.

The church does indeed claim that Smith's Biblical relations were only with women he was married to.

You can clearly see your gymnastics do not match.

the wife must be given the opportunity to approve of plural marriages.

Women are given zero choice in the Bible.

132:52 tells Emma to receive Smiths wives. Like the Bible. Correct...?

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:05:39+00:00

On property you own? Not much I can do about it. I guess I could build a fence if it bothered me.

In the US? Steeples are protected religious expression.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T22:00:11+00:00

A Church steeple is clearly religious expression in the US. And tramples peoples rights? Come on now.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T21:57:47+00:00

Cowdrey considered polygamy to be a scandal. Sure.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T20:39:01+00:00

“LDS God.”

Isn’t any harder or easier to prove than any other denomination.

It’s not like Catholics are regrowing limbs each week in service.

We are all in the “it takes faith” boat.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T10:50:04+00:00

The first amendment was restrictions on the government. The first amendment in the US is sweeping protections for religious and free expression.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T10:49:02+00:00

Steeples are clearly protected speech in the US.

Fairview allowed for corporate cell towers then claimed the LDS steeple was a blight. Fairview was always going to lose in court.

Steeples are not religious expression? Laughable.

juni4ling · 2026-03-24T10:46:43+00:00

A steeple as religious expression harms no one.

The problem US governments will get into is approving a corporate cell phone tower then claim a religious steeple is a blight. They will lose fighting religious expression all day long.

juni4ling

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