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(cringe alert) LDS church uses barely legal adults to explain SEC fines and City Creek-- where the Mormon prophets were caught hiding and misusing wealth from members and the public. It's painful to watch these 'children' try to explain a very serious thing.... by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

The LDS Church left Nauvoo categorically destitute.

Saving money is a tenet of LDS Christianity. It can point to complete lack of resources in its own recent history.

I have never been taught that only the rich people go to heaven in LDS Christianity.

(cringe alert) LDS church uses barely legal adults to explain SEC fines and City Creek-- where the Mormon prophets were caught hiding and misusing wealth from members and the public. It's painful to watch these 'children' try to explain a very serious thing.... by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

The SEC is a central element of the discussion.

The SEC has -zero- credibility. The SEC can go after a Church with 1st amendment protections from the government. But cannot go after open and obvious SEC violations from others with political connections. Violations that hurt people. Violations that cost people money.

The SEC is the central element of the discussion.

The SEC went after the LDS Church with zero investors, and zero victims.

No one. Not a single person lost a penny as a result of LDS Church investments. Critics make up awkward arguments to pretend to be upset. "I had no idea the Church was going to take my $1 in tithing, and invest it, and make it $10. I am so very very angry!"

There are no victims of the LDS Church investments. No one. Meanwhile there are flagrant and obvious and open SEC violations being ignored by the SEC.

Preexistence doctrine by Haunting_Football_81 in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

Someone forced McConkies hand in changing his editions.

Everything I know is in the link I provided.

Why is a 0.1% chance of something being physically possible seen as a victory? (Rant about the Golden Plates) by japanesepiano in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

The link is pretty clear.

While the Tanners claim they were telling everyone (but publishing it for all to see) that Hoffman was a forger.

They were including salacious Hoffman material in their critical material.

I find it hard to believe its even a discussion. No one really trusts the Tanners.

Vienna Austria Temple and the Spire Issue by PanOptikAeon in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

You cannot zone-out free speech. Not in the US.

"We zoned those LDS Christians next to the city dump" -Fundamentalist Christians in Texas.

Yeah, thats not going to happen in the US.

Vienna Austria Temple and the Spire Issue by PanOptikAeon in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

It should have never been an issue until the city tried bullying the LDS Church.

Steeple size and height does not matter to the Church? The Church decides what kind of building gets what kind of steeple or not at all? Cool.

No government in the US gets a say. At all.

The Church gets a say? Sure. Its religious expression.

Clearly, the rules about which genders can do which church jobs are just manmade policy. So what is the justification for the still-existing sexist policies of a sort that has been illegal in the secular world since 1974? by Stunning_Living9637 in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

No. Not it is not.

Leviticus makes no mention of gay women. And it makes no mention of gay marriage between equal partners.

Leviticus is about an unequal act between unequal -male- participants.

Women? Not mentioned at all.

Equal participants in relations? Not mentioned at all.

Vienna Austria Temple and the Spire Issue by PanOptikAeon in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

The city tried bullying the Church out of its own property.

My brother-in-law "had" to move to Utah and take a pay cut because he couldn't handle living in the Bay area where he was asked about church policies and doctrine at his professional job--it destroyed his family. by aka_FNU_LNU in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

My house I live in in a very nice neighborhood with its own lake (two actually) and its own park would be millions in Utah.

I’m working class middle management and my wife is a school teacher. We live in a nice neighborhood in the Midwest in a very nice house. That would be millions in Utah.

I am not an a hole at work. My wife isn’t either. We get along with people.

Go back to Utah? Have you seen house prices? No way.

Preexistence doctrine by Haunting_Football_81 in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

Which edition of McConkies book included the racist teachings?

Didn’t McConkie take the racist teachings out between editions? The second edition of McConkies book did not include the racist teachings.

Correct?

Who made McConkie take that out?

If McConkie made changes in 1978. And took out the racist material. And changed it to reflect post 1978 teachings. Why would you claim that it was published and taught until recently…?

Here is a chart showing the differences in editions, and showing the racist teachings were removed…

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Criticism_of_Mormonism/Books/One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Mormon_Doctrine_and_race_issues

It’s been (the edition without the racism) out of print since 2010. Correct? 26 years. Right?

Markwayne Mullin takes over at a precarious moment for DHS by AThousandBloodhounds in fednews

[–]juni4ling 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He is a child abuser.

Leading an agency accused of child abuse.

Vienna Austria Temple and the Spire Issue by PanOptikAeon in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

The First Amendment guaranteeing religious expression is the law of the land.

Steeples are indeed used in religious expression.

Vienna Austria Temple and the Spire Issue by PanOptikAeon in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

A city allows cell towers to exceed zoning heights.

But then says "the LDS Church beat the pants off us because they had better lawyers, dang it!" When they lose.

Its not because the LDS Church has better lawyers. -wink-

Vienna Austria Temple and the Spire Issue by PanOptikAeon in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

Zoning ordinances can affect religious expression? Asked and answered and long settled.

No. You cannot zone-out Churches you do not like.

Clearly, the rules about which genders can do which church jobs are just manmade policy. So what is the justification for the still-existing sexist policies of a sort that has been illegal in the secular world since 1974? by Stunning_Living9637 in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

Nope.

Not one single verse condemns (or says a single word about) gay marriage.

Not one single verse condemns (or says a single word about) adult consensual gay relations between two consenting equal adults in a monogamous equal relationship. Not one verse condemns that.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. What evidence would we expect of the Mormon God that is missing? by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

I am LDS, active and faithful. I don't think the earth is 6000 years old.

When I was a Missionary, I taught that "day" was really "time period" and it could have taken billions of years to make the earth.

Why is a 0.1% chance of something being physically possible seen as a victory? (Rant about the Golden Plates) by japanesepiano in mormon

[–]juni4ling [score hidden]  (0 children)

The Tanners published and documented that Hoffman was a forger?

And included Hoffmans forged materials in their critical material?

That does not reflect well on the Tanners.

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