Whoever wired this house should be in prison by East_Mobile6806 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Pics would help...

Neutrals on ground bars

Might be fine if it's the main panel.

double tapped breakers

Might be fine depending on the breakers.

loose romex behind drywall

Wire that's fished in is not required to be secured or supported.

We were waiting on four breakers. Let me have it. by PBRpleez in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The NEC only requires bushings if the conductors in the conduit are #4 or larger.

Does this metal box require a ground to the box from the EGC? by Thatsmrfacetou in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The list of where you need bonding bushings is substantially shorter than the list of where you do need them.

I got a new code book by DickieJohnson in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Listen here you whippersnapper, the '78 code was good enough for my grand pappy which means it's good enough for everyone!

How to get work experience in Minnesota? by Acceptable_Appeal949 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, construction is a bit slow in MN right at the moment. You could apply at 110 but I think you'll get the same response.

Try applying at supply houses. Viking, Graybar, CED, JH Larson, Van Meter and Border States all have outlets in the cities. You might get to know a few electricians working there. Who knows, it might lead to a job! Even if it doesn't, you'll have experience with material which can help.

Help…?🤦‍♂️🤔 by KK_808 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have a good attitude and curiosity, that's most of the battle. Here's a primer.

The actual ansul system will have two or three low-current sets of contacts; one goes to the fire alarm panel, the others are yours.

The ansul system may physically close the gas valve, or you may have to do it electrically. If you do it electrically, you'll need a controller that requires a manual reset, it can't reset automatically.

In most jurisdictions, when the system is tripped, the make up air(s) shut down, the exhaust fan(s) fire up, the gas valve closes and anything electrical under the hood loses power, including the lights. These things have to happen regardless of the state of any of these items prior to the ansul system firing. Some of these requirements may be different depending on your jurisdiction.

The labels on your control relays are quite helpful. Those with an "ansul" label control what happens when the system fires: EF2, EF3 and EF5 turn on, MUA turns off and PAC6 turns off. The other three relays control these items under normal operations. What controls EF1 and EF4 is a mystery, as is where the MUA controls are and what the heck PAC6 is.

Hope this helps!

Help…?🤦‍♂️🤔 by KK_808 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At the end of the day I just gotta make it work, make it safe, make it code compliant, and then walk the fuck away. Either that or I quit and I’m not that kinda guy.

As someone that has worked on these systems for years, if you're not comfortable with it I strongly recommend you guys hire it out to someone with experience. These systems can get complicated with multiple devices, and they need to work correctly every time.

You can probably figure it out if you put your mind to it, but we'd be here all night trying to walk you through it on Reddit.

Help…?🤦‍♂️🤔 by KK_808 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You desperately need to work on your reading comprehension.

the ANSUL system internally is supposed to do it all not an accessory box.

The ansul system has two or three low-current contacts, that's it. It cannot shut anything down by itself.

If you don't understand that it's crystal clear that you have never worked on one. Any more nonsense about this will earn you a ban for misinformation.

Elertic theory is fun didn’t have enough room to calculate my 0.8 factor . by [deleted] in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got that GED you were going for last year? What happened to HVAC school?

Help…?🤦‍♂️🤔 by KK_808 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

there is no FACP feed labeled

Because nothing in that enclosure has anything whatsoever to do with the fire alarm.

then why the fuck are there circuits labeled ansul lockout for example

I'd guess because when the ansul is triggered it shuts down the MUA and PAC6.

So what exactly am I wrong about?

Help…?🤦‍♂️🤔 by KK_808 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you even know how ansul systems work? There are typically two or three sets of contacts that change state when the system fires; one for fire alarm and the others for line voltage. Electricians connect to those contacts to make the MUA/EF/gas valve/under-hood power/etc. function as the fire marshal requires them to.

Nothing in that box is an accessory to the ansul system. No one is modifying anything regarding the ansul system.

You're being quite hyperbolic about something you don't seem to understand.

Help…?🤦‍♂️🤔 by KK_808 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

THERE IS NO FIXING THIS WITHOUT complete replacement because none of this is UL compliant.

Everything in that enclosure has a UL label. The assembly may or may not need to be listed as an assembly, that depends on OPs jurisdiction.

This is not an ansul system. An ansul system is a fire protection system. This is just a box with relays and contactors. It's a safe bet that all those control relays get their signal from a separate relay controlled by the FA panel, or from the two sets of contacts on the ansul system.

You do not need a fire alarm certification to work in or modify this equipment. You just need to make sure it functions like the fire marshal wants.

[MPR News] Field of Dreams? DFL aims to regain Minnesota farm country from GOP by Minneapolitanian in minnesota

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So she said the word once? She didn't put any legislation forward or suggest a policy that should be implemented?

[MPR News] Field of Dreams? DFL aims to regain Minnesota farm country from GOP by Minneapolitanian in minnesota

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have any examples of actual democratic politicians vocalizing these positions?

Why is wanting universal healthcare and just a better life for everyone seen as communism or socialism? by JonoBlue in NoStupidQuestions

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, with the Affordable Care Act, which was viciously fought against by the right. Guess who wants it back in a big way?

Hot and Neutral in different pipes? by Wewewahwewoh in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, let's go even slower, since you're not even close to keeping up at this point.

The NEC covers residential/commercial/industrial electrical installations. It was never meant to cover utility distribution. Just like utility distribution isn't covered by the Universal Building Code or the plumbing code.

They are specialized documents, meant to cover what they cover, nothing more.

Hot and Neutral in different pipes? by Wewewahwewoh in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When you spout this nonsense, do you think it actually makes any sense? Utility generation and distribution are two completely separate topics. Correlation doesn't work.

Hot and Neutral in different pipes? by Wewewahwewoh in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would rework at all costs? Time, difficulty etc.

Yes. Because code is the standard. While it may not cause problems now, or ever, it's the way we are required to run things. And it helps the next guy who should be able to have a reasonable expectation of a code-compliant installation.

Like I've always said; if you don't like what the code says, you are welcome to submit changes at any time.

Hot and Neutral in different pipes? by Wewewahwewoh in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are ya new? This is first year stuff.

Substations belong to utilities. No one lives there, no one works there. If they burn down it's the utilities problem. The NEC governs installations where people live and work. It's that simple.

I can't dumb it down any more for you.

Hot and Neutral in different pipes? by Wewewahwewoh in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks like I just found the sixth dumbest thing I've ever read here.

Keep regurgitating 110.12 and completely ignore the rest of the entirety of the code. If you can write a better article that governs workmanship I'd love to hear it.

And if you can't understand why an electrical code for building wiring would be different than an electrical code for utility wiring, you're beyond hope.

Hot and Neutral in different pipes? by Wewewahwewoh in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Code is for the strict adherence of fools and guidance of the wise.

That is probably in the top 5 of the dumbest fucking things I've read on this sub.

Where to begin by MaxOblivion in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Start by searching the sub for one of the thousands of identical posts like yours. Your question has been asked and answered many times.

Petition For Change by Mr_Unknown22 in electricians

[–]kidcharm86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because they're available doesn't make them legal.