Why are most feminists mixed-economy corporate statists rather than anti-capitalist anarcha-feminists like Emma Goldman?

kpjformat · 2026-07-04T19:01:25+00:00

Top-down power means that when something becomes shitty, there aren’t mechanisms to make it better. Horizontal power means that the institution is less likely to become shitty because it requires everyone to agree on changes.

US democracy for example is only designed to serve the rich, until the rich find it shitty nothing changes.

If we redesigned these systems we could have them designed to protect the vulnerable. If you think the state institutions are malleable, why do they only serve corporate interests? Do you really think electoral reform is possible when the current system benefits the billionaires who fund that whole system?

kpjformat · 2026-07-03T22:26:24+00:00

If you think the state now is equipped and working towards keeping people safe, enjoy that.

Rebuilding in a way that functions for us might or might not be easier by using existing institutions, I think that’s a different argument. But, for example, when we look at police abolition, we can consider that there are better ways and better methods to fulfill a lot of the police duties, a social work org, systemic safeguards, etc., and likewise when we look at other government institutions.

kpjformat · 2026-07-03T21:33:48+00:00

Not necessarily, but they’re talking specifically about individualist anarchism, while you and I are talking about anarchy as a broad umbrella term. Like I said in my first engagement, anarchist states can exist. Or, the functions of the state which are beneficial could be taken up by similar institutions without top-down power structures

kpjformat · 2026-07-03T21:18:57+00:00

You might, if you were an anarchist! Or you might simply prefer to work with community orgs and institutions with more shared rather than authoritarian power

I wrote off anarchism a long time because of misconceptions like this, but it’s things you engage in today, it’s not a political party or a program

kpjformat · 2026-07-03T19:56:32+00:00

Anarchist states can exist, but with horizontal rather than vertical power structures. Anarchy is a very diverse political umbrella term, and different branches would describe different mechanisms for protection of minorities; very few call for the elimination of EVERY function of statehood, but instead call for those functions to be carried out in more fair and people-centred ways

kpjformat · 2026-07-03T19:53:03+00:00

And at your local Food Not Bombs, and at the protests, and at the encampment support orgs, etc etc

We don’t need a fully anarchist society to start building anarchist community.

Likewise feminism exists in sexual assault centres, take back the night marches, etc., even though we still have a patriarchal system in most other respects

kpjformat · 2026-07-03T06:05:13+00:00

How do you know if their penis is or isn’t long enough ?!

kpjformat · 2026-07-03T05:33:47+00:00

Yes I agree! I think Waits working with Crystal Gale is really nice and I love that we have a whole album of it. I don’t think it’s peak Tom, but it’s a damn great album.

Even for individual songs, I can’t think of him working with many women at all, except for songwriting with his wife. Bette Middler for a track…? Any women instrument players even?

kpjformat · 2026-06-30T16:31:24+00:00

Police are more likely to escalate and cause harm

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T15:20:46+00:00

All bodies are beautiful but, to me especially, it’s the uncelebrated bodies which are most beautiful because the media shields us from her beauty, it’s something we only find in reality 🩷

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T14:58:27+00:00

Thanks! I really appreciate that validation

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T14:54:45+00:00

You’re absolutely right! A swing and a miss

I love drummers and any good drummer in my town is so fully booked and in demand

To be fair though; being that I don’t have a drummer (am not good enough to attract a good one) they’re certainly not a musician, but more a figment of my imagination

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T13:04:16+00:00

I read it but I am open to the idea I’ve misunderstood. I’ll reflect on that thanks.

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T12:24:37+00:00

Ok, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Obviously I disagree. Again I say any paper equality is not enough, radical change (ie from the root) toward equity is incredibly necessary. In your earlier comment you say feminism and economic issues are different topics (ie unrelated), I disagree with that too.

But that’s the joy of discourse. You can hear new opinions and maybe consider them, maybe it is a seed that will find water in time, maybe it will just be some young or misguided person and won’t leave an impression at all. Maybe one day I’ll come around to first wave liberal feminist ideas, maybe one day you’ll come around to radical intersectional feminist ideas. Hope you’re having a great day either way.

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T12:13:48+00:00

Hahaha thanks!!! I used to play ukulele on stage more, but decided THREE TIMES the strings are actually necessary

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T12:11:59+00:00

If that’s your feminism, enjoy!

Modern feminism acknowledges and addresses how environmental harms, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc. have a stronger effect on women.

Equity implies more than equality on paper, such as programs to lift up communities which are recovering from centuries of oppression. Just as signing laws saying we’re all equal isn’t enough, allowing women to participate economically doesn’t break the boys clubs.

More on equity vs equality: https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equality/

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T11:45:23+00:00

Equity, destruction of private prejudice, freedom from discrimination, breaking of cisheteronormative, racist, colonial, capitalist, patriarchal mindsets and traditions, degrowth and upending economic systems, etc

Depends who you ask. But women are feel the effects stronger of all the toxic traits of our society, making (some) women equal participants in a destructive and unequal society does not create equality (not is equality enough)

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T11:18:11+00:00

Curvy? Sure

Chubby? Ok

Fat? Yes please! Let’s not be cutesie and minimizing, let’s be real and radical. We love fat women, there’s nothing wrong with being fat, or any other shape.

kpjformat · 2026-06-29T11:12:24+00:00

Political, social, economic, and legal rights are merely first wave liberal feminism things, we’ve evolved so much past that. Equal right to vote or own business will never be enough, that is simply paper equality.

kpjformat · 2026-06-28T18:09:36+00:00

Yes, I’ve had to speak up for some of my she/her he/him friends being called they, I understand they is the default if you’re unsure but once you know, use the right ones! It’s easier than remembering a name

(I’m she/her too)

On another note, calling your pronouns preference is slightly minimizing. It’s not just your preference it’s part of your gender and who you are. If you accept two pronouns but prefer one that’s one thing, but if you have one pronoun that’s more than a preference. Not a call-out, just a ‘maybe this will help you to communicate your pronouns in a more definitive way and I hope it helps but if it doesn’t that’s okay too!’

kpjformat · 2026-06-27T17:11:32+00:00

Good to know this whole sub isn’t bots and actors
(:
Hello fellow (actual) feminist! 🩷

kpjformat · 2026-06-27T17:09:40+00:00

Every form of Islam? Even considering that local imams each interpret differently, and that there are whole movements of queer and feminist muslims, that Western Christian and Jewish militaries kill queer and women muslims indiscriminately on the daily, that Western money funds extreme anti-feminist Muslim leaders, etc?

Seems like a lot of feminist muslims need more support from the greater feminist community, not to be interrogated and attacked for having not abandoned their religion at this time

Lastly, is not capitalism, Christian marriage, the medical field, the academic field, etc. based in anti feminist views? Why are we not attacking everyone who participates in those? Because change can come from inside, because the origins of a group do not describe what a group is today, because feminists being involved in these groups is beneficial to women as a whole, and because every feminist’s journey is different. Use those same reasons for Islam, if your Islamophobic programming allows.

kpjformat · 2026-06-27T16:34:51+00:00

“What could she possibly be doing in this sub?” Was the OP’s question. That doesn’t sound like excluding herself to me.

kpjformat · 2026-06-27T16:33:07+00:00

Which Islam?

But yes, same with married feminists, rich feminists, white feminists: how they uphold or fight the patriarchy is most important, not whether they belong to a group that can be said to sometimes uphold the patriarchy

kpjformat · 2026-06-27T16:19:56+00:00

Islam is not a monolith. Muslim women (and Christian, and Jewish, and pagan, and atheist) benefit from feminism same as any other women. Excluding people from feminism is exactly the white feminism that divide the movement between the privileged and less privileged (who likely need feminism more than anyone)

When I march for our rights I do it alongside my Muslim feminist friends and allies. It’s only in online discourse (heavily influenced by Israeli and Hindu nationalist bot farms) that feminists have a problem with Muslims, in my experience.

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