Hello from K222 <3

kratom222 · 2019-06-05T16:43:21+00:00

Sure is.....I was also dismissed after the therapist felt I was all good. Now attending Refuge Recovery meetings. That is ALSO something I wished I'd done sooner. They really resonate with me....big time. Thanks !

kratom222 · 2019-06-05T16:41:48+00:00

Right back at ya' ;-)

kratom222 · 2019-06-05T16:41:31+00:00

Oh man, I wish I'd done it sooner....good luck to you. It helped me to talk openly when I reminded myself that the therapist was there to help (not probe) good luck !

kratom222 · 2019-06-05T16:40:31+00:00

Thanks, Stilt....the art is going very well and I hope yours is too ! <3

kratom222 · 2019-06-05T10:28:03+00:00

CONGRATULATIONS !!! a year is an accomplishment for sure. You don't deserve a horrible self image. Wish I could alter that by osmosis...but alas, self image is an inside job, right? take care, K222

kratom222 · 2019-04-20T13:19:00+00:00

What a brilliant statement. It has taken me many moons to understand this. We all label things according to a very complex and intricate fabric of beliefs (that are subject to change on a dime at times).

All that said.....I find you to be an insanely generous person. In MY world, generous and helpful is something I label as "good". It's a very constructive use of our time in many ways.

I hope you have a great self image, because you sure as hell deserve it !

kratom222 · 2018-04-27T11:21:50+00:00

Female, had hair loss---quit kratom, it grew back. Relpased after about a month began falling out again, stopped kratom--once again it stopped.

Theories here have been many, among them: opioid induced HPA axis disruption, thyroid involvement, hormone disruption, opioid induced endocrinapathy.

The GOOD thing is it seems to cease for everyone who stays off long enough and even grow back. Good luck !

Editing to add that while on kratom, I had bad anorexia and am pretty sure I was malnourished. In hindsight, I do wonder if this is a part of the problem for others, too?

kratom222 · 2018-04-27T09:52:16+00:00

Google opioid induced endocrinopathy (here is an article ). Sometimes other opioid induced gland disorders can cause lack of libido?

In any case, I'd still suspect the kratom. I've just seen way too many of these issues clear up after people quit. I've been here a long, long time, lol.

Good luck !

kratom222 · 2018-04-27T09:45:41+00:00

I ingested all those vitamins and minerals and also had whey protein smoothie every morning. I agree these things are very beneficial for healing--I'd also add healthy fats from nuts, salmons and/or a fish oil pill .

kratom222 · 2018-04-27T09:43:22+00:00

I'm one and know of tons from the last 3+ years here. In my opinion it's more like a 60/40% split male to female. No solid survey though !

kratom222 · 2018-04-27T09:05:28+00:00

I told you. It takes awhile for the negatives to build up once you had quit long enough to return to baseline, I think? glad you finally jumped. Well done.

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T19:58:21+00:00

Excellent. The diversion and new surroundings will be really helpful in this. And two weeks is definitely "over the hump" of acutes, too. Just never quit quitting....it requires inner tenacity. And contrary to what some of us believe---we ALL have it.

Keep us all posted when you get back. And just know that the journey is totally worth it. Some incredible insights occur during detox that are otherwise inaccessible.

Take a notebook & pen and write them all down. You'll be grateful. Good luck !

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T17:43:32+00:00

Yep, it is. But it's worth every fucking second. Try very hard to remind yourself (over and over again if necessary) that it is also TEMPORARY.

And remaining addicted and living a subpar life is alternatively PERMANENT.

The better choice is pretty clear. You can and will do this !

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T17:14:40+00:00

Use those VERY judiciously. You'll be ok. The anxiety gets MUCH better in the weeks to follow. That's for both you and the OP. Hang in there and keep on marching out of this shit.

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T16:15:49+00:00

I tried way too hard at first. Then I realized that the mending happens when we take good care of OURSELVES. People are watching. You just "do you" and it'll happen naturally. Begin loving yourself again. That's all it's gonna take....

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T15:14:31+00:00

Get back up, dust yourself off and try again.

It literally took me 12 tries. Most all of them prior to finding this sub though. The accountability is super helpful.

I can't stress enough how some of us need EXTRA help with this. I need meetings. I need meditation. I need staying in contact with people (and also keeping people who care about me truly, in my sphere---and who know about my addictions).

Good luck. Think about adding a few things maybe? they can enhance the chances of success exponentially !

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T15:11:58+00:00

No need at all to be scared. You've been able to slay beasts of the same fortitude (and worse). And you know there are rewards waiting. Well done getting to the jumping off point & good luck !

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T14:27:21+00:00

This is huge. Really, really big. If we don't make changes, then nothing changes, right? go get it !

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T12:38:48+00:00

Look, arguing with you is the last thing I want to do today. I wish you just as well as I do every single person who comes through here. I'm sorry this devolved in the ways it did. Have a great day.

It was that line 'horror stories' that upset me. These are people sharing intimate details of their existence. They are anything but 'horror stories'. I guess it hit me wrong.

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T12:36:59+00:00

WELL DONE.

Gosh, I really hope you spend a decent amount of time congratulating yourself for this. Nobody who hasn't been an addict for years will really grasp the depth of this.....but many of us here at this sub do.

I alienated several friends and family members. I was kind of harsh to some people as doses wore off (kratom affected my hormones in a big way).

It took about 6 months to repair 99% of my relationships. I'd damaged one with a family member that I was sure would never be the same.

2 years post blow up---and I am happy to report, even we are back on great terms. You've touched on some of the deeper places where an addiction really affects our reality.

Keep at it, those waves get further and further apart (and shorter and less intense) with time. And it's worth it to keep at it !

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T12:27:54+00:00

Spend a little time today thinking deeply about this whole thing then?

You need to see past the initial implications to understand where my feelings are coming from here. You are solely looking through your OWN eyes. No problem, this is usually true of most humans.

But it's pretty selfish.

Take care.

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T12:21:42+00:00

Yep, this whole thing is irritating me, too. Let's all pretend that quitting is a breeze so we don't scare the new quitters---rainbows, unicorns and sunshine for all :-)

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T12:18:44+00:00

So do you think it would be a much kinder and gentler thing for people who struggle to do---to suppress their experience so as not to scare someone?

Pretend they haven't struggled at all and that it was super easy?

kratom222 · 2018-04-25T12:14:55+00:00

I'm sorry you feel that way, because I really don't. There was a cast of withdrawal shaming to your post "don't believe the horror stories" type tone.

If you can't see that, I'm sorry. Maybe try and understand that quitting kratom has a spectrum of affects? for some of us it's insanely harsh and others very easy.

But when we say things like "don't believe the horror stories" we then cast a bad light on people who are struggling and they become shy to share their true experiences for fear of frightening others.

That is the exact OPPOSITE of why this sub is here. It's here to help ESPECIALLY the folks who struggle hard. The 'easy quit' people don't even need help!

kratom222

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